Ranked is filled with really stupid people...HOW DO YOU CLIMB?

DarkinPrime··7 votes·7,589 views

Last game, a hec that goes AP and does awful.

Before that, a brand support that builds no vision or support items, their lane is so impotent that the enemy support Nautilus GANKS ME AT TOP at 10 minutes.

Game before that I play a careful game against teemo as Aatrox, which isnt easy, win my lane....and our mid and jungle run around dying a lot chasing kills and totally throw the game....

Please fucking spare me your comments about how I need to do this or that better and I need to blame myself. I win my lane almost every game, quite easily. But the level of retards is too much. I was the only one with a positive KDA last game.

How can you possibly climb if every match there is one person on the team who either

a)Doesnt take the game seriously b)Doesn't understand how to win the match C)is so bad they feed like crazy D)doesnt want to communicate E)gets pissy because they didnt want support so they troll the position

etc etc etc

Its ALWAYS SOMETHING.

This fucking player base needs to be purged.

54 Comments

Epitome of Noob5 votes

Win against them.

Oh and learn to be positive. What I mean is even if your teammates make a play that's "meh", still tell them "good job team" and stuff like that to make them feel better. Even the most toxic players will play well or stop flaming most of the time if you are GENUINELY nice to them.

Also, get a kitten. Kittens are soloqueue talismans.

Surr20plz1 votes

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Win against them.

Oh and learn to be positive. What I mean is even if your teammates make a play that's "meh", still tell them "good job team" and stuff like that to make them feel better. Even the most toxic players will play well or stop flaming most of the time if you are GENUINELY nice to them.

Also, get a kitten. Kittens are soloqueue talismans.

I don't know...sometimes I just afk and pet the kitten.

Calabok3 votes

You buy them skins and that will encourage them to play better.

Regulas2 votes

You have to figure out ways to compensate for your allies. The main thing with the game as that it is a team game how well you win your lane doesn't really matter to team victory beyoND making you strong enough to do other things.

At lower tiers the easiest way is just to play hyper carries. Like when I started season low down I did WW Jung a lot because I could get so fed I would be able to deal with the enemy team by myself practically. There were tons of games that I hard carried from horrifying losses just by doing something broken late-game. Irelia/firora/Jax/yi types all work like this for the most part.

DarkinPrime2 votes

No. I refuse to be coerced into playing certain champions to win because Riot leaves some champions much stronger and more effective than others. Refer to my post http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/eijT3xYo-win-rates-of-champions-dont-tell-the-whole-story

Regulas2 votes

"I refuse to do things that would easily improve my chances of victory. Somehow I seem to have a hard time winning. Go fish...."

Note: I refer to most of your arguments. You seem more then anything upset that you can't win while doing whatever the heck you want, moreso then upset that you can't win.

DeathBurst1 votes

First, melee hyper-carry are not "much stronger and more effective", they are simply easier to abuse against opponents not as skilled as yourself, because they aren't so much team reliant.

Second, playing melee hyper-carry isn't needed, it only makes the game easier. I did the same thing Regulas described by playing Garen. You can do it with pretty much any champ, except maybe a full Tank without damage. And even that, you can manage, if you build damage with your items. That's not optimal at higher ELO, but if really you are under-ranked, it can work.

Bottom line is: if you are really under-ranked, you can solo-carry with pretty much everything. If you are at your real rank already and now need to improve to make a difference in your games and climb, that's another story. You cannot play the same way when you are against/with people as skilled as you and when you are against/with people worse than you.

Caítlyn2 votes

Use common sense. Assuming you are as good as you claim, your team has 4 chances to get retards, while the other team has 5. You have games where you stomp too. Look at the scores on the other team. All those losers over there? Those are the guys you described in your post above, you just dont see how bad they are when youre killing them.

Erockandroll2 votes

statistically speaking, your odds of wining due to an ENEMY idiot, is the same. (Actually slightly more since you would have 4 teammates against 5 opponents)

Purge the idiots, and you might end up fighting smarter opponents. (Just watch what you wish for)

DarkinPrime2 votes

Sure, and your odds of winning a bet on black in roulette is a little less than 50%. But that doesn't mean you won't get your ass handed to you and lose 10 of 12 bets.

DeathBurst1 votes

Then play 10 or 12 more and you'll get to this "little less than 50%" in the end. Which is not useful, but the difference with League is that it's not totally random, you can influence the outcome, even if only a little.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

HOW DO YOU CLIMB?

Stop maining Aatrox.

DarkinPrime1 votes

No. I'm not going to be forced into playing the handful of OP champs like everyone else. If everyone truly wanted to climb and nothing else, I suppose every game in ranked would consist of the same 20 champions repeated over and over again. Fuck that.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

{quoted}

No. I'm not going to be forced into playing the handful of OP champs like everyone else. If everyone truly wanted to climb and nothing else, I suppose every game in ranked would consist of the same 20 champions repeated over and over again. Fuck that.

I was just being a dick. Main whom ever you want. There are Diamond Aatrox mains out there.

DarkinPrime1 votes

Yeah how many?

DarkinPrime1 votes

also just because they main him a diamond does not mean they climbed to diamond WITH him

FioraWillCarry1 votes
GULAG 4 U1 votes

{quoted}

Stop maining Aatrox.

aatrox can carry if he gets ahead.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

Also, you die a lot. Stop feeding.

DarkinPrime1 votes

Out of my last 7 matches. I had 4 deaths in 3 of them and 0 in one of them. Yes, I die allllll the time. There is no way I do well and still lose right?

FioraWillCarry1 votes

{quoted}

Out of my last 7 matches. I had 4 deaths in 3 of them and 0 in one of them. Yes, I die allllll the time. There is no way I do well and still lose right?

I was looking at your match list. You have a lot of deaths. Too many you ask me.

DarkinPrime1 votes

Aatrox is a highly snowball dependent champion, feast or famine. He dies a lot or dies very little.

I wouldn't expect people like you to understand whats its like to main weak champions.

Teslyn1 votes

{quoted}

Out of my last 7 matches. I had 4 deaths in 3 of them and 0 in one of them. Yes, I die allllll the time. There is no way I do well and still lose right?

at one time i tried to explain to people like this... and they dont listen.. so i guess i will say it again.

You have to accept responsibility for your losses... if you dont start trying to change what you do .. you wont climb. every tier group has a different mentality so you have to change. you lose because you failed.

-or-

i can say what you want to hear. man.. i dont know.. wish riot would figure out how to stop all these bad people from playing the game. you are completely right and justified to think your failures are other peoples fault. that sucks that they fed and you ran in trying and get something and died right after.. if they didnt do what they did .. you would have won the game for them.. i dont understand why people just dont let you carry them. these people are so bad.

-now.. i gave you two choices. one choice will help you climb... the other leaves you in the same elo and it will be an up and down fight repeatedly and there are no true answers to help you. Take what you want from this. http://www.westacad.ch/files/newsletters/2011_02_horse.jpg

DarkinPrime1 votes

Yes like my last match. No one was super bad, even though our jungler only had 2 kills....but they weren't making stupid moves or not communicating, so I was able to go 25/8/16. I'm sorry if I don't know how to handle people who don't care about the game, or are not there to play seriously. It really bothers me and effects how I play.

And, it actually matters. I get junglers who refuse to gank my lane because they thing because I'm Aatrox and have 2 deaths the lane is a lost cause...and because I get no help, and am zoned by someone like panth who can poke and block while he tower dives me, I rack up the deaths. Or, when my team doesn't follow me into a dive and hang back while I revive just to die again....this is due a lot to people not having much experience with an aatrox on their team----the fact that they keep him weak (riot) makes him even more weak because he doesn't get the benefit of other players knowing who to play off of him as well as other champions they are more familiar with.

Thrëat2 votes

The enemy is equally as bad as your team, except they should have 5 baddies and yours should only have 4 baddies if you are indeed good.

This is how you climb ^^.

Also, you need to realize a match of League is MUCH MORE than just laning phase. If you are good at laning phase but garbage at all of the other aspects then you won't climb.

Spoofghoul2 votes

you climb by being less stupid

Åeolus1 votes

Look at how many deaths you have each game. Looks to me like YOU'RE the one running around and charging into anyone you see without thinking. 21 games with aatrox 48% win ratio and 7.3 average deaths. Being caught out late into the game can make your team lose an objective (baron) or the game completely. I wonder why you lose lol. Also ghost and ignite with aatrox? You should be taking Tp and flash. I'm surprised you even got silver. Also, your builds are horrible, Aatrox is a bruiser you build him almost full Ad LOL. Get 2-3 ad items than build tank. And please go on a mobafire guide for a DECENT build please, never build phantom dancer again.

DarkinPrime2 votes

Really? EACH game? You just decide not the notice the many gamer where I have 4 or 0 deaths?

Nor do you take into account the many games were my deaths were low until the other fed enemy champions from other lanes shit all over me.

STFU don don't comment on my posts you narrow minded troll

DeathBurst1 votes

Sure, insult other people who take the time to look at your matches and give the advices you asked for yourself. That's the way to progress and climb, I'm sure.

And an average is just an average. Maybe you don't die 7.3 times each game (and that's not what Kyuubii said), but if your average is that, that means there are games where you die a lot more than that.

DarkinPrime2 votes

Aatrox is a feast or famine champion. I'm tired of you idiots comparing him to other champions. He is one of the most snowball dependent champions in the game. I will often die a lot due or die very little.

DeathBurst1 votes

Well, play safer when you are behind and don't die as much in your Famine game. Even if you are useless, it's still better to not die and not give gold to the enemy team. I don't care if a champ is feast or famine, if you die so many times, you're doing something wrong. And nobody compared Aatrox to another Champ in this sub-thread.

Oh, and if you can't discuss with people without hurling insults, just don't post at all. Next time I'll report you.

DarkinPrime1 votes

Pff, report me all you want. You are the one who has to live with being thin skinned.

Guyy Fieri1 votes

For what it's worth, if you like the playstyle of Aatrox, I think there are other options right now that are just simply stronger. Aatrox is so weak, I stopped playing at the start of season 5 beacuse he just can't keep up. Think of champions like Fiora, Nasus and Tryndamere. All of them have very similar playstyles. They want to split push because they don't really have the best team fight presence. The different between them and Aatrox is that they can do more from behind. Aatrox behind may as well just ff because he is so gold dependent. Tryndamere still has his ult and gets free crit from his passive. Nasus, as long as he can farm, will still have his Q and Fiora brings a little more utility than Aatrox. Each of those four champs scales well, can split push really well and can snowball hard. The difference is that Aatrox just get's snowballed on too easily.

Åeolus1 votes

First off, out of the 30 ranked games you played, in 19 of them you had more than 5 deaths. Second, if you get ganked by other lanes it's because you're overextending, have no wards, or you weren't paying attention to the map. Having a 1.30 kda doesn't mean anything. That's actually a really bad kda to have. You blame other people for feeding when you do yourself. It's quite funny. Elo hell doesn't exist. If you focus on what OTHER people are doing wrong you will never improve. Even if you were in an impossible game to carry there is still A LOT more you could have done. I've lost a lot of games where I had high kills, low deaths, and I did the most damage. I didn't bitch like you. I focused on what I could have done better.

DarkinPrime1 votes

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Åeolus1 votes

So why is this guy http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=virginitythief diamond and you're not? He has a lot more games than you with Aatrox. Also that brand you said was a noob did the second most damage on your team. He performed BETTER THAN YOU late game. He didn't ping Mia on naut so what? You want to rely on other people? You should have been looking at the map and NOTICED he was missing and backed off or let the enemy minion wave push into your tower if you had no wards.

DarkinPrime1 votes

Because, (insert insulting word here), he doesnt exclusively main Aatrox--he plays strong champs like Fiora and Olaf.

That Brand didnt buy any vision and he was so useless early on that the enemy could focus top and mid and counter jungling. By the time he got all those kills and damage, which happend largely after 30 minutes, our lanes and base were wrecked and it was way too late. Why should I assume, in 10 minutes, that a missing Naut is walking up to me. 1 out of 400 times its going to be because hes coming top--in fact, in 2 years of playing I have never had bot lanes support gank me at 10 minutes

Åeolus1 votes

Notice that with the champions you listed he has a NEGATIVE win rate, meaning he lost more lp than he gained with them. In fact most of the other champions he plays with besides Aatrox do. If you look at what champions he played season 4 to get to diamond for the first time, you'll notice that he played mostly Aatrox.

He is now trying to expand his champion pool because he's been low diamond/high plat for 3 seasons. Although, it's obvious that the only champion that he's at a diamond level at is Aatrox and won MOST of his games using him.

Also, let's say hypothetically that he was good with other champions and used them to climb. He has a 59% win ratio over 590 games so even if he didn't use those champions he would still be able to climb. You can climb with ANY champion ( as I just proved with Aatrox) so stop blaming outside factors as the reason why you're silver.

And yes maybe you didn't expect the Naut to come ( I probably wouldn't unless my bot lane fed hard) but that's 1 death. 1 kill doesn't make someone snowball, 3-5 do.

DarkinPrime1 votes

You are wrong. He used other champions at top when he knew he was likely to lose with Aatrox, which is smart. But I run him every match, which is obviously retarded. So he's not purely climbing with Aatrox. His win rate is high because he avoids the really bad match ups.

1 death which means one kill for the enemy at top is a big deal. As aatrox if I have 2 kills on the enemy at top I am effectively going to snowball. Don't tell me that 1 kill doesn't matter. I hate when people like try to talk about a champion that you know nothing about

Guyy Fieri1 votes

I'm sorry but if you are going to keep saying that the reason other people are higher Elo than you is simply because they play other champions then either play those other champions or stop whining.

RookPusher1 votes

the answer is simple, it just sucks. I'll start with the inverse. Not, how do you climb, but what prevents you from climbing. To that end, here's what you eliminate if you want to climb:

*Variables

You do not want to be in a situation where you're experiencing things for the first time. This means you should be on a champion you're intimately familiar with in a role you play very often. This is best achieved by playing one role 90% of the time, with a rotation of 3 to 4 champions.

*Raging

If you rage, it's not that you're just violating the rules. You're tilting yourself. The second dick comment from a player gets them muted. The longer you wait, the less of a chance you're going to win.

*Carrying

In a perfect world, we'd play champs we like. Climbing in ranked means you have to take a champ that can carry. Look up the data on champion.gg, see who's got a high success rate in that role, see who's capable of carrying. Choose masteries and runes for those champs to make carrying most optimal.

The point is, if you want to climb, you need to mentally prepare. It isn't about skill, it's about two things:

  1. Tactics. If A, then B style tactics. Every Ace you push a tower. Every pushback from the enemy you should be looking at other lanes and search for rotations to other lanes.

  2. Think communally. Once everyone's picked, throw out a "reminder: check those summoners/runes/masteries." The question isn't about "why do I have to" it's about "i'm not blowing a 45 minute time frame because Larry took Master Yi without smite." it's about v-pinging when someone's about to chase into the jungle.

  3. Only Ranked when you're on your A game. This is one I screw up a lot. You should default to Normals. Get in that habit. Ranked has to be 100% concious, you need to know champ match ups, counter picks, you need to make sure you're not tired/inebriated.

The problem with Bronze is two fold: there's no bottom. Meaning you can lose 40 games in a row and play Ranked Bronze 5 for your 41st game. Making it so much harder to escape from; And people there are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. I know folks who've made second accounts and that was the only way they got out of bronze.

When someone is screaming about how every Rengar feeds, or that Vayne's are so toxic, you need to mute, keep calm, and carry hard. And whether you like it or not you can't do that with every champ all the time. There's some modification if you LOVE a champ and have a level 7 mastery rating, but below 7, you should be taking meta-approved game savers every game all game.

SnowLeopard911 votes

You become better with your champ, and better at the game in general. You'll have the same number of enemy idiots as allied idiots on average, so you personally have to beat the average skill level to climb.

Teslyn1 votes

but good news.. i tried to help someone on my friends list climb up elo so i started an account to help him climb.. he called me bad and said i need to stop playing like i do.

so he is still S3.. and its been 2 months... so.. yeah.. there is that.

LU Vanilla Rice 1 votes

Carry your team ;)

Guyy Fieri1 votes

I haven't climbed much this season Bronze IV-Silver II, but what I have learned from my climb is that you can only worry about you. I try not to give a rat's behind what anyone else is doing because I know that if I play my champion (Gnar) to its full potential I can carry any game. So I focus on my play, make sure I'm farmed up (sometimes I forget to do this tbh) and am able to make some plays. The biggest thing is honestly to be proactive. Especially in solo queue, it's so hard to respond to aggresion because peeling because really tough on uncoordinated play. So if you can get the jump on the enemy and surprise them, you gain the upper hand. If you don't play engage based champs that can be tough but just encourage your team to go for it if you don't. And if you do play engage champs, just make sure you warn your team when you're going in so they know and can follow up. If you warn them and get off a good engage, the damage will follow, trust me. It's just a matter of taking the game into your own hands and you choosing how the fights are gonna go.

And î oop1 votes

OMG IKR i try to be positive and i pep talk and all and we all go into match quite happy and curageous and then my adc and support feed enemy kalista... SHE GOT 6 kills in first 5 MINUTES LIKE WHAT THE HELL, then mid lost 0/2 to zoe as diana and im there like girl you counter her wtf, sion top was decent and i as eve jungle was good but 2 of us cant do anything if 3 of our members feed ITS JUST SO FRUSTRATING

oh and i dont want to play champ that can solo carry if i dont like that champ so dont suggest it just how do you climb solo duo WITH THOSE IDIOTS

Philosophically1 votes

You just cant, its living hell, do yourself a favor and dont play ranked, just play normal. League ranked is the most spagetty code/ unbalanced matchmaking I have ever seen

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