20 hp at lvl 1 and some hp per lvl is going to make those champs auto lose lane to ad mids.
It was already bad enough to play early game vs them, say as fizz with 9 armor, now with 0 its gonna be borderline impossible LUL.
warpenguin55537 votesCan't forget about Nullifying orb+hexdrinker combo
WalkingInACircle27 votesWith Yasuo, I'll start with my ban. Hopefully someone will ban Zed. Previous experience shows you need to get him up to at least a 70% banrate before Riot will admit an ad assassin is a problem.
From there, put as much damage on him as possible. Defense has always been impossible against Zed, he has infinite energy, covers the whole lane, and infinite chances to screw up without consequence. By level 6, your game is basically over. You must now wait for 20 minutes until you can play the game again. Until then, your entire team must avoid Zed.
And no, Zhonyas doesn't counter him.
DaNinad8 votesInfinite energy? Infinite chances to screw up? Covers the whole lane? Are we talking about zed here or
Faceroll Tactics1 votesI wasn't aware 2 shadow jumps and a flash is infinite chances to escape I counted only 3.
Xonra2 votesAnd then people are going to start picking Talon. Sure he isn't Zed/Yasuo level, but with the strength (against ap mids specifically) ad mids will have, I 100% see him popping us as Yasuo will be banned even higher elo, as will Zed.
We are gonna start seeing shit like Urgot mid again (not literally Urgot given his new kit, but as an example of a champ that popped up before specifically to counter stuff like Zed) for counters to these ad assassins mid again, I'm calling it now.
doubleguac2 votesPrevious experience shows you need to get him up to at least a 70% banrate before Riot will admit an ad assassin is a problem.
Players don't ban rationally. Players will ban assassins (and other flashy, high damage champions) even when those champions have sub-50% win rates. They will fail to ban tanks and support champions, even when those champions have 55+% win rates.
Go to lol king right now. Yasuo and zed both have about 49% win rates and 50% ban rates. Sona has a 53.6% win rate, and a 2% ban rate.
Players (myself included) ban champions they don't want to play against, not champions that will most impact their chances of winning the game. Most players don't like playing against fed hyper carries and assassins. They will selectively remember the game where the fed assassin went 17/5, and forget the 4 games when that same champion did just ok, or barely contributed.
Edit: It's the same reason why auras were removed: players didn't value them as highly as they should have. Auras had to be extremely overpowered in order for players to think they were useful. They also tend to overrate single target damage (like zed, Vayne, khazix, etc.).
Penns15 votesThats what I was wondering too lul
Melledoneus17 votesYou didn't say "hehe" you freaking imposter!
PrinceOfStorms14 votesLet's just face it. Riot hates AP champions with a passion, otherwise AP champions would have cheap items that hard counter AD mids and ADCs - like if Stopwatch was unlimited use and only built into Zhonyas.
Thilmer4 votesLet's just face it. Riot hates AP champions with a passion, otherwise AP champions would have cheap items that hard counter AD mids and ADCs - like if Stopwatch was unlimited use and only built into Zhonyas.
It's more like Riot loves AD champions with a passion.
Thryale1 votesI still think the introduction of AD scaling of spells was a bad idea
ModThe Djinn8 votesWell, Zed will have less free AD/Armor Penetration, so it may even out.
Or rune into the free Stopwatch into early Zhonyas. :)
Rexxiee27 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oNJ6Li4X,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-11-07T19:06:40.376+0000)
Well, Zed will have less free AD/Armor Penetration, so it may even out.
Or rune into the free Stopwatch into early Zhonyas. :)
Actually he'll have even more ad than before considering they get 9 as base stats + 11 from runes.
The only downside for them is that they'll not have 12 mr anymore, but then they rush hexdrinker anyway :^)
Infernape28 votesAnd take Nullifying Orb : ^)
GGLineaR18 votesActually he'll have even more ad than before considering they get 9 as base stats + 11 from runes.
The only downside for them is that they'll not have 12 mr anymore, but then they rush hexdrinker anyway :^)
HexDrinker is fair and balanced, and definitely not a major crutch for ad mids.
MysticDreams1212 votesHex definitely is not balanced, wtf.
WalkingInACircle4 votes"Fair and balanced" is a mocking allusion to Fox News' slogan, when Fox News is a right-wing propaganda machine.
Snowplosion8 votesI'm certain that major news outlets have become straw men and propaganda.
WalkingInACircle1 votesNo, just Fox News. The rest are mostly clickbait news for profit, but that's better than deliberate political propaganda.
Karunamon16 votesAh yes, CNN of "Reading wikileaks is illegal if you aren't the media" fame. Cmon now.
Faceroll Tactics5 votes"Hillary ran a campaign of manipu-"
"Aww sorry we seemed to have lost the feed, satellites must be acting up."
Auz the Ripper24 votesI am like 57% sure he was being sarcastic.
CM Calgar8 votesMages need DFG back.
We aren't supports this item sucks
. slowing zed does nothing, he is literally all around you.
this is the best ap item in the game 
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unless your throwing a mage at assassins
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this
saves us, but mages still need mana, and AP to even has a presence in the lane.
this 
is far better then this 
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Xonra4 votesThe problem is this ---> is good right now and this ---> isn't good right now. It is supposed to basically be the ap version of 
with ap built in, yet it really isn't in a good state as far as mage itemization goes. I just don't even bother with it anymore because it isn't worth building over other stuff (at least not into this tank heavy meta that isn't going anywhere given the new runes making stuff like Tahm top VERY good right now).
JJI7441 votesNo, just no. I think AP itemization sucks, a lot, but DFG is not the answer.
They need hourglass to not be terrible.
Deathcap needs... probably a lot. But at the least it needs a better buildpath. 3 raw AP components is a lot to sit on lategame, waiting on its rather high combine cost.
Haunting Guise needs a second build-option, same with lost chapter.
Dream High7 votesWho knows mid lane is a mess right now. I looked at what my main Swain got, Bonus health and health per lvl lmao when he's played in top. Riot didn't actually look at mages and give them stats based on their runes they just gave them all extra health. [zombie-brand-clap]
For Zed you just get chunked for 50% of your health in one spell rotation. You can just aviod it but all he has to do is land it once during laning phase then you back and lose farm and exp while trying to rush a suboptimal item.
Xonra4 votesYou get chunked like that, then just pray you aren't that low once he hits 6 as a mage, or you are dead and that's that, cause Rushing Zhonya's is gg even worse in lane.
You can avoid it but you WILL get hit with stuff eventually, while he is also shoving in and forcing you to farm under turret on most mages.
Thryale2 votesdon't forget those mage top laners are completely screwed by just ONE item: adaptive helm.
literally had a garen just face tank ALL of my spells as swain and still out dps me while I'm in ult form just because of that ONE item.
DuskDaUmbreon6 votesExcept they'll also be losing out on early lethality and AD.
Oh, wait. Was I not supposed to mention that?
Rexxiee20 votesExcept they'll also be losing out on early lethality and AD.
Oh, wait. Was I not supposed to mention that?
They are NOT losing on ad.
They get 9 as base ad + 11 on runes, they are going to start with MORE ad than before with 15 ad runes.
DuskDaUmbreon5 votesAnd how about the lethality they're losing out on? How about the stopwatch you can now start with?
Just because mages aren't getting a lot of stats doesn't mean they're losing out on any defensive options.
Auz the Ripper11 votesThe “sudden impact” rune covers that They’ll get ten lethality and magic pen after they dash, blink or whatever. You know whenever they all in.
Rainfall6 votesyasuo and zed had 60%banrate this season cant wait for thr next one.
Khristophoros3 votescloth armor start. :\
MangoInfinity119 votescloth armor start. :\
you cant exactly start cloth armor on ahri when she already has massive early game mana issues even with ring.
Xonra12 votesAs an ap mid laner? Have you played as an ap mid laner before?
Whelp you do you, and good luck running out of mana before level 4 trying to farm under your turret against constant hard push Zed unless you are playing 
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesExcept zed cannot hardpush at all in early levels.
Xonra1 votesIt's pretty hard to push when you can just walk up and auto the minions for more damage as any mage but Ori. Or just use your shurikens to farm AND zone at level 1. Or your shadow+shurikens at level 2 (if you are trying to push that is)....and so on.
Yeah it is just as easy level 1 as level anything else. Unless someone is hard blowing spells on you (which then you just got a free lane from them being oom being stupid), you will push just fine.
Cosmic Warper5 votescloth armor start. :\
and then have no mana sustain and get shoved in lul
Magi Mayvin3 votesGet tp and roam 24/7 and use your fizz ult to farm from afar when you are on lane so they can't get to you and you get free cs .
Kappa.
Karn Bishop3 votesI'll likely see hate for this but AP champions are gaining a lot of invisible power thats not readily visible in the patch notes, remember now nobody is getting magic resistance back, might not sound like much but its powerful.
That being said certain AD champions are still horribly out of line such as twitch and i don't think riot should have waited to gut him before runes reforged, he is no weaker on new runes then old.
Noblewind1 votesThose AD champs didn't get attack speed back though so it might be a similar case as you noted but as a welcome nerf. Twitch already loses atleast 13.5% attack speed at level 1. Apart from fighting against champs with the new runes, might be a significant nerf when it comes to early game with respect to farm speed from just autos/pushing power early
NotCounter3 votesdon't forget about the double hexdrinker
SwiftKitten882 voteseasy... you hope aid yasuo cant properly use the knockup on this dash. because if he can. you're fucked..
TheHappyReaperz2 votesYou could always start cloth armor and pots since you get plenty of AP from runes.
i8u2manytimes1 votesdon't know if this applies to other ap mid champs, but as kata, due to the lack of magic resist the entire enemy team has without their scaling mr blues, I am bursting them faster using electrocute q, e, aa, w e away combo, and then I run coup de grace and triumph for secondary page to snowball the lead
Xonra5 votesI would have a field day if someone picked Kata into me if I was playing Zed, and wouldn't exactly be worried as Yasuo. Both can push faster and roam faster than she can, and both can 1v1 her pre and post 6 (assuming one side or the other hasn't already snowballed off of side lane roaming).
FCJAAAAGOOOO1 votesCloth armor and pots might actually be a start now
veigarbage can1 votesAs a Veigar main, gonna tell you this:
Welcome to the club, pal.