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What the fuck are those neeko buffs

D357R0Y3R··70 votes·20,363 views

[New Effect] "If Neeko becomes invisible to the enemy while disguised, she gains 20% magic penetration that lasts 4 seconds after the disguise breaks."

Shapesplitter (W) Clone duration increased from 2 seconds to 3 seconds bonus movement speed duration increased from 2 seconds to 3 seconds

Pop Blossom (R) Cooldown increased from 90 seconds to 120/100/80 seconds Leap duration lowered from .75 seconds to .6 seconds [New] Nearby champion leap damage now had a 40% AP ratio

you are seriously out of your mind

it's unreal

101 Comments

Dr Dog38 votes

last time i checked neeko was already strong why buff her

Lhuhz25 votes

I dont like the buffs but sure she's not strong

Dr Dog5 votes

for a new champion she is pretty strong, at least her ult is getting a cd tho

Flawless Fetus2 votes

You're aware that they're lowering her ults cd at max rank, when it matters, right?

Dr Dog2 votes

at rank 3, its early cd was the issue

DoktorKaiser6 votes

She has no1 ban rate in high elo after Akali was gutted I think. Can't wait for her to become perma pick/ban in competitive, I doubt they will want to deal with the gimmicky clone shit.

Lhuhz5 votes

We saw Kespa Cup and Demacia Cup and she wasn't played, as she is right now she's not strong for soloQ and trash for competitive.

If Riot overbuffs her...we can only wonder how far will they go.

BestPudgeNA8 votes

{quoted}

We saw Kespa Cup and Demacia Cup and she wasn't played, as she is right now she's not strong for soloQ and trash for competitive.

If Riot overbuffs her...we can only wonder how far will they go.

She was disabled for Kespa and Demacia Cups.

RainbowIcee1 votes

depends ? she's definitely not weak and has a lot of potential. As for her being safe? to use? she's not. But that's not a faulty champion design, not every champion should be designed with an escape or gap closer.

bluegolisano2 votes

Here's the issue; Passive is hot garbage and doesn't work for League at all. Now, if this were a FPS/TPS, then it's actually busted bc Spy does something similar in TF2 - because you can't always see what's happening to that player. However, Neeko passive works so long as (A) the champion she mimics isn't nearby, or (B) said champion isn't dead although, to be fair, most people don't realize who's dead unless they're completely 100% high ELO

The ultimate, however. 250 base damage in a radius that is larger than Nunu ult. Stuns for around 2.5s Has a fucking 130% AP ratio.

What the fuck.

Malix Farwin2 votes

{quoted}

Here's the issue; Passive is hot garbage and doesn't work for League at all. Now, if this were a FPS/TPS, then it's actually busted bc Spy does something similar in TF2 - because you can't always see what's happening to that player. However, Neeko passive works so long as (A) the champion she mimics isn't nearby, or (B) said champion isn't dead although, to be fair, most people don't realize who's dead unless they're completely 100% high ELO

The ultimate, however. 250 base damage in a radius that is larger than Nunu ult. Stuns for around 2.5s Has a fucking 130% AP ratio.

What the fuck.

No longer slows (which is huge) and increased the cooldown early(which is huge) by the time she is using it at the old rate people have MR. the other buffs aren't that big considering what she lost. You are just looking at the changes without understanding the impact and thats really your fault.

USbetterthanUK2 votes

As a Neeko Jungle main I can say that encouraging W is a good idea since I basically don't use it at all and just spam E Q R. This makes me remember invisibility is a thing while I'm larping as the adc to bait squishy assassins Neeko

Eisheth33 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oHncjqlr,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2019-01-09T22:17:18.985+0000)

last time i checked neeko was already strong why buff her

How is a 47% winrate champion strong? She doesn't need all these buffs, but it doesn't hurt to buff her a little bit.

Flawless Fetus1 votes

While I agree with you, keep in mind that Akali's was lower than that and the boards insisted that she was op. Lol.

Zerenza2 votes

47% winrate mid-lane in Platinum+45% winrate in Support Platinum+43% winrate in jungle Platinum+

Banrate 2%

She's weak for a lot of reasons though, in Midlane she can't take advantage of her Passive very much, In support you don't get enough gold and in Jungle she doesn't have good enough ganks. In addition she has absolutely no way to get into a position to use her Ultimate without flash, and her ultimate is the best part of her Kit when you hit Mid and Late game.

In terms of buffing her though i like the change to her W, very helpful. The new effect isn't necessary and would likely be an over buff but also it's one of those Hidden things that's hard to keep track of as an opponent, the nerf+buff to her ulti is honestly pretty nice, they didn't change the damage on it though and i do think the AP ratio on the damage portion needs to be 120% not 130%. I like that the shield scales but honestly it doesn't last long so most of the time i just Flash+Ult+Zhonya's lol

manolis2011 votes

{quoted}

47% winrate mid-lane in Platinum+45% winrate in Support Platinum+43% winrate in jungle Platinum+

Banrate 2%

She's weak for a lot of reasons though, in Midlane she can't take advantage of her Passive very much, In support you don't get enough gold and in Jungle she doesn't have good enough ganks. In addition she has absolutely no way to get into a position to use her Ultimate without flash, and her ultimate is the best part of her Kit when you hit Mid and Late game.

In terms of buffing her though i like the change to her W, very helpful. The new effect isn't necessary and would likely be an over buff but also it's one of those Hidden things that's hard to keep track of as an opponent, the nerf+buff to her ulti is honestly pretty nice, they didn't change the damage on it though and i do think the AP ratio on the damage portion needs to be 120% not 130%. I like that the shield scales but honestly it doesn't last long so most of the time i just Flash+Ult+Zhonya's lol

I didint saw a buff on her R lol where is it? i might be blind heheh xD Tho if it happenes cool. ^^

Zerenza2 votes

There's now an AP Ratio on her Ultimate's Shield.

manolis2011 votes

{quoted}

There's now an AP Ratio on her Ultimate's Shield.

Nice thanks! :)

Rexxiee15 votes

New champ probably isnt selling very well, hence the completely unecessary buffs.

Sewer Side4 votes

{quoted}

New champ probably isnt selling very well, hence the completely unecessary buffs.

So how long should Riot exactly wait when a 47% winrate mage isn’t doing jackshit?

Take off your tinfoil hat.

SociaI Justice2 votes

once people realize shes a top laner shits gonna go down.

AidanWR12 votes

She currently has one of the lowest win rates in mid lane, but they are making her into an assassin for some reason instead of a burst mage. Even then, the fact that she has an AoE stun that can deal upwards of 1k damage is unacceptable. A base of 650 plus 130% ap will do more than a Veigar ult with the same AP and it can hit an entire team to stun for 1.25 seconds. She needs buffs, but she also needs nerfs to her kit and I don't think they are going about it the right way

Vah Medoh10 votes

Riot just wants to kill its own game, so lets buff unnecesary champions and doing things like Vayne's

Wizard Blaze7 votes

Rito is getting ready for LCS.

0 Hogapu6 votes

Neeko

**Inherent Glamour (Passive) ** cooldown increased from [25/22/19/16/13/10 at 1/4/7/10/13/16] to [35/30/25/20/15/10 at 1/4/7/10/13/16] [New Effect] "If Neeko becomes invisible to the enemy while disguised, she gains 20% magic penetration that lasts 4 seconds after the disguise breaks."

**Shapesplitter (W) ** Clone duration increased from 2 seconds to 3 seconds bonus movement speed duration increased from 2 seconds to 3 seconds

Tangle-Barbs (E) Cooldown increased from 12/11.5/11/10.5/10 to 14/13/12/11/10

Pop Blossom (R) Cooldown increased from 90 seconds to 120/100/80 seconds [Removed] Nearby enemies are no longer slowed when Neeko leaps. Leap duration lowered from .75 seconds to .6 seconds [New] Nearby champion leap damage now had a 40% AP ratio

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At the very least, give us the whole changelist. This is not a straight up buff. Her R doesn't slow anymore, she can have all the damage she wants on it, it won't do anything if no one's caught in it.

Foxynth2 votes

Happens. Media manipulation is a thing, on all scales, and is surprisingly not hard.

Naalith5 votes

Not putting any of the nerfs into your post, I see.

Lhuhz4 votes

Ooooof I said several times that I think she's balanced and now Riot will overbuff her and make me eat my words right ?

Abibyama II4 votes

Don't worry Riot Dutch has a plan, Have some goddamn

#FAITH

Illabethe4 votes

Did you even read the Neeko notes?

Passive:

Mostly a NERF. Low level use of Glamour has a 10 second longer cooldown!

It does give W an additional utility ...... but ONLY IF YOU USED IT WHILE DISGUISED. 10 Second tradeoff for 20% Mag Pen? It's a tossup.

W: This is a direct buff, but not really a strong one. She's been struggling to hit ults or lane combos because enemies can outrun her move speed scaling, and loses a lot of opportunities others wouldn't.

E: HUGE double nerf. Nerfed both the Ratio AND the base damage. AND the root duration.

R: Much more of a nerf than a buff. 30 sec more CD in exchange for an AP ratio to the shield per opponent nearby. The shield doesn't do near as much for her as the 90 Second cooldown does. NERF.

Imo, this is a wash or at best a slight buff. Hardly something to throw a tantrum about.

Rathar Dashing12 votes

Her E didn't get the damage nerfed, it stayed the same. Only the cooldown was increased. Overall this a large-ish buff, and while she does need the W changes, I'd like to see the scaling on her R get cut down. Everything else seems perfectly fair to me.

Illabethe2 votes

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Her E didn't get the damage nerfed, it stayed the same. Only the cooldown was increased. Overall this a large-ish buff, and while she does need the W changes, I'd like to see the scaling on her R get cut down. Everything else seems perfectly fair to me.

AP reverted from 60% to 40% Damage reverted from 80/125/170/215/260 to 80/115/150/185/220 Empowered root duration reverted from .75/1/1.25/1.5/1.75 seconds to .7/.9/1.1/1.3/1.5 seconds

That's a 40 damage base loss on level growth, .25 second loss to root, and 20% AP ratio loss.

https://www.surrenderat20.net/2019/01/19-pbe-update-tentative-balance-changes.html

Her R scaling is fine. If you die to it, you DESERVE to die from it.

And I dunno about you, but a clone running in a line is discerned in 1 second as the fake Neeko Adding 1 second to it isn't doing much, and her Movement speed buff is one of the smallest in the entire game. Adding 1 second to 2 seconds is hardly game breaking for a 20% move speed bonus for the most of the game.

Marshbouy5 votes

Her R scaling is fine. If you die to it, you DESERVE to die from it.

"melee champions deserve to die when jumping on a ranged AP squishy"

wolvius2 votes

{quoted}

"melee champions deserve to die when jumping on a ranged AP squishy"

They should have built MR so that 20% of it could be penetrated from level 1 [sg-ezreal] Riot logic strikes again.

Witch of Babylon1 votes

delusional

Illabethe2 votes

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delusional

What's delusional? The fact there's both upsides and downsides to her modifications?

She has trouble doing her job. Vs Champs who have no trouble doing theirs.

Personally, my highest success with her is as a APC top laner, which is a problem, since only one attribute of her entire kit is APC (W passive). If you try to build her mage, you can't even get near people to ult without Flash. You shouldn't need a Summoner to do your job.

Witch of Babylon1 votes

I said that because it seems like you’re brushing off every buff she got as worthless. You also said her E got a bunch of nerfs when those were just reverted tentative buffs.

Illabethe2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Witch of Babylon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oHncjqlr,comment-id=0008000200000000,timestamp=2019-01-10T20:48:23.064+0000)

I said that because it seems like you’re brushing off every buff she got as worthless. You also said her E got a bunch of nerfs when those were just reverted tentative buffs.

I'm brushing them off as fair. I'm brushing them off as negligible. I'm brushing them off as needed.

All three adequately describe them. They aren't damage buffs. They are small utilitarian buffs to help her deliver that damage better.

I think you need to focus on champs who have no trouble at all delivering their damage, who have resets, and output twice Neeko's damage per game.

Fízz v23 votes

They did remove her W passive procing on towers and her ult slow tho

GFREEMEN3 votes

I think everything but the Ult buff is fine.

Akali Prime3 votes

lol good thing i dont have to deal with that shit, neeko is permabanned for me, every single game i ban her. havent played against a neeko in WEEKS
feels good. that champion has no business existing.

Daddy Ants3 votes

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Rathar Dashing1 votes

She doesn't get 35 ability power.

Hay5eed3 votes

As she was before me and my duo banned her 100% of the time mostly because of how she seems to have both high base damage and high scales too. For the most part she is just a counter-engage champion, but unlike other counter-engage champion, where they simply stop the engage, Neeko score kills off of it with her OP as hell ult, which is such a high range that you can't. even. flash out of it.

Targon2 votes

So, does this mean that Neeko's R has a total of a 170% AP ratio? 40% on the leap, and 130% for when she lands?

D357R0Y3R3 votes

No, it means that her shield per champion (which perviously had no ap ratio) has 40% ap ratio now

the 130% ap ratio is for the damage part

MarkedOfKane2 votes

Some Neeko players don't even bother disguising because her damage is strong enough to just play her like the typical mage. How do we get Neeko players to utilize the disguise feature more? Lets massively buff her damage so people will disguise!

Foxynth2 votes

To be totally fair, the root is not an easy one, and being able to build against her Q really isn't that hard if you aren't getting stomped in lane.

Sirsir2 votes

The penetration is a little out of line but thats about it. Shes not really that great...

Also what do you mean by 'leap damage'?

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