j4 nerfs,vi nerfs,nidalee nerfs,rek sai nerfs
should i even be surprised that he doesn't get nerfs?
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Goldenwolf1417 votesJust take away ward hops and then boom Lee is fine.
toxıc sIut4 votesYou guys do realize the response from Lee Sin nerfs went beyond boards and leddit, right? The fucking avalanche of outcry at nerfing Lee was miles above Viegar's. That's because it wasn't just the vocal minority that always whines about balances; it was the lurkers and people who don't normally go on boards, too.
That being said I think the changes were very bad for the little guy, and some of the hate for lee song is deserved, but him being overpowered is just an opinion that got circlejerked into oblivion and back.
Edit: Look at comment below. Edit 2: Look at you guys, validating my point n' shit.
DomainSpecific2 votesThat's not all. Several pros & coaches complained that Lee Sin was fine and needed no tuning.
LankPants19 votesOf course they did. As long as Lee's broken they don't have to learn other champs.
toxıc sIut2 votesI'm not even going to say how flawed this argument is.
But whatever, have your upvotes for appealing to the rampant riot hate-train.
UdoIkOSc4u1 votes[{quoted}](name=Gems Luxel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=oGteQftH,comment-id=000200000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-03-02T04:24:30.872+0000)
I'm not even going to say how flawed this argument is.
But whatever, have your upvotes for appealing to the rampant riot hate-train.
Really you are saying that lee sin isn't better than those combined pre nerf? pff
toxıc sIut1 votesDid I say that? I don't think I said that.
InsaneSamurai2 votesThat's not all. Several pros & coaches complained that Lee Sin was fine and needed no tuning.
Good thing those guys pay all the bills.... wait...
Abyssphere1 votesThat's not all. Several pros & coaches complained that Lee Sin was fine and needed no tuning.
Thing is - why have those pros and coaches only ever spoken out about Lee Sin getting nerfed? Tonnes of champions have their balance changed every patch, but the only one they've ever said "na no changes needed" for was Lee Sin. Either you believe they truly think he's the only balanced champion in the game or there's something else motivating them there.
Starcall Casey9 votesTo be honest. Unless the lee sin is Gold+ it's really hard for him to carry a game. I'm gold 2 and I still have trouble finding a good lee in my ranked games. His kit needs some toning down, but for the most part I see why he isn't being nerfed. Riot and most people in the LCS agree he's in a good place. but Nerfing other top tier junglers and leaving him out seems odd to say the least.
Robert Smith4 votesIf it weren't for the fact he can counter jungle so easily. I'm barely making ends meet and Lee sin finishes his side to come in, steal my buff and/or kill me. Even bought him to do the same thing. I will be honest, his kit is fun. I wouldn't take anything out he "feels" balanced. He does not however have any weakness so he feels unbalanced. The E does to much damage for my taste.
Starcall Casey1 votesHe needs to not grant true vision with his abilities too be honest.
Gunpoint1 votesThat makes 0 sense thematically, and mechanically. If he hits an enemy with his Q while stealthed, he just flies towards an enemy he can't even see?
Starcall Casey1 votesBut let's say he Q or E's why does this let him see a stealthed units gameplay wise? Why not just grant basic vision of that champ like every other vision granting ability.
SpiritGear1 votesIll start off by saying yes lee isn't balanced in terms of other champions but his Q certainly makes sense as to why he can see them. First, he is blind he cant really see at all so how can he go around? using echolocation similar to a bat. No while that isn't very effective we have to think game logic as well. His q is a Sound wave so hitting an enemy apparently bounces sound off them giving him vision NOW this is where it gets thrown off because suddenly EVERYONE can see that person which is the part that makes no sense.. If only lee can see them if would be a nice touch to his Kit. Other part is Lee suddenly defies gravity dashing a really long distance and curving mid air ( yes some other champs do that but i mean come on its a game). Now his e is more of a tremor which why HE specifically needs TWO methods of being able to see stealth champions I HAVE NO IDEA. In fact no other champion in league has TWO abilities that allow them to see stealthed champions ( honestly 
ult doesn't count as that's during they go into stealth)
JC DarkOmen1 votesto be fair, he can't see any of his enemies, even a fully stacked chogath who's ignited with all 4 of lee's teammates surrounding him.
JC DarkOmen1 votesthe sight thing is the part of his kit that does make sense actually (although only he should be able to use it, not his teammates). He's a blind monk who uses sonic waves to determine where his teammates are, like a bat. What doesn't make sense is that he's also a martial arts master. his lore doesn't mention him learning kung-fu at all...
He has so much utility that fits in with the whole 'blind' thing, but his damage comes out of the blue. He should have been a support right from the start. Since it's way, way, way too late to do that now, he should at least be a utility jungler instead of a fighter, or he should at least be tanky. Giving him everything is the problem.
thinking man1 votesTo be honest. Unless the lee sin is Gold+ it's really hard for him to carry a game. I'm gold 2 and I still have trouble finding a good lee in my ranked games. His kit needs some toning down, but for the most part I see why he isn't being nerfed. Riot and most people in the LCS agree he's in a good place. but Nerfing other top tier junglers and leaving him out seems odd to say the least.
You mean high diamond?
Kung Fu Master1 votesTo be honest. Unless the lee sin is Gold+ it's really hard for him to carry a game. I'm gold 2 and I still have trouble finding a good lee in my ranked games. His kit needs some toning down, but for the most part I see why he isn't being nerfed. Riot and most people in the LCS agree he's in a good place. but Nerfing other top tier junglers and leaving him out seems odd to say the least.
imo prenerfs a lot of golds+ could actually utilize him, but after all those base stat nerfs and the removal of his attackspeed reduction you can expect to see good lees from diamond+
WolfChases5 votesHe 't be nerfed, a good Lee Sin player will alwaus be good and OP simply becouse his kit allows him to....The only way to make him less impactfull is to rework his kit. Damage nerfs won't affect him simply becouse 1 good R can change the outcome of a teamfight in his favour.
Rainbowgasm8 votesHe 't be nerfed, a good Lee Sin player will alwaus be good and OP simply becouse his kit allows him to....The only way to make him less impactfull is to rework his kit. Damage nerfs won't affect him simply becouse 1 good R can change the outcome of a teamfight in his favour.
well to be fair, a lot of good Rs on a lot of champions can do that too.
But imo, for a kit with the mobility he has, it's too much. gasp, lets give it "counter play", like a falcon punch, except it's a kick, but it wont be like falcon kick because it will have a falcon punch style wind up, into a kick, that hits whoever is in front of him instead of being point and click.
manliestdino4 votesAnd then late game happens. And Lee Sin cannot do shit in late game.
InsaneSamurai19 votesAnd then late game happens. And Lee Sin cannot do shit in late game.
Late game rarely happens with a Lee around.
OhOkYeah2 votesHow did j4 get nerfed? He's still leagues better than other junglers and if played well, will control both jungles in under 15 minutes.
Kynami1 votesThey removed his free armor passive from E. So he's down a free cloth armor and some odd change in AR.
OhOkYeah1 votesOh so he'll take a tiny bit more damage on his 2 minute ride to level 3 ganks. Glad that he's not still the best pick because of that.
Ancestor0072 votesSarcasm detected. You, my dear sir, are under arrest.
Major Sparkles1 votesrek'sai is getting nerfed again???
pleep1 votesNo one outside of plat/diamond can even carry a game with lee sin. The champion is absolutely average in solo-q.
When was the last time you saw lee sin banned in ranked? if he was such a problem ppl would be banning him but they dont..... the lee sin witch hunt on the lol-boards is just a gigantic circlejerk and its the main reason why no one takes this forum seriously.
Lee sin is fine and hes probably one of the best designed champions in the game. (i have never played a single game as lee)
Cis7v01 votesjust make him bleed energy. with a passive that gives energy on AA after abilities and the damage they have,his energy cost should be higher than what they are.
Schteltzer1 votes"nidalee nerfs"
BlackedTexture1 votesIRELIA NURFS RIOT PLS YOU IN 2 SEASONS SHE IS SO OP NURF IT 
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