"players are complaining about akali shroud not having counterplay to most champs, specially melee"

Rexxiee·Jul 16, 2018·52 votes·14,468 views

CertainlyT : YOU HAVENT SEEN ANYTHING YET!

We might get a champ to surpass yasuo ban rate.

34 Comments

ZackTheWaffleManJul 16, 201813 votes

But will it break the banrate record held by Zac?

######why the fuck am I downvoted

MYSTlCFLOWJul 17, 20181 votes

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But will it break the banrate record held by Zac?

zac highest banratteeeee

nelogisJul 17, 20182 votes

Wut? That record still has season 4 Kassadin with like 98%

Sexy Jack RabbitJul 17, 20186 votes

The joke is that Zac got a 130% banrate after the tank rework due to being consistently banned by both teams.

nelogisJul 17, 20181 votes

ah, wait it showed as 130%? Thats hilarious ^^

ProvengreilJul 17, 201813 votes

Season 4 Jax and Kassadin probably will never be surpassed. Just saying.

RetraukJul 17, 20186 votes

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Season 4 Jax and Kassadin probably will never be surpassed. Just saying.

It's been years and I still have nightmares about season 4 Kassadin

TokogawarufJul 17, 20184 votes

Got told by some random Friend back then (i was kinda new, started mid Season 3) to always ban Kass, so i did.

Looking back that was a good advice

Dewott610Jul 18, 20181 votes

could someone fill me in on why they wre bad, came in around season 7 i think

Press Q WinJul 16, 201812 votes

To best honest champion with special skill to deny a entire class of champion are frustrating.. Irelia Basic attack counter Yasuo Ranged projectiles/ basic attack , Akali (after rework) everyone and tower.. Fiora everything, including summoner spell(exhaust/ignite) but tower.

GrReaper96Jul 17, 20183 votes

If youre gonna put Irelia then put Amumu as well

Press Q WinJul 17, 201810 votes

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If youre gonna put then put as well

Amumu reduce basic attack by a small amount, Irelia legit disarm people so you can't even AA for a few seconds... there is a huge difference.

GrReaper96Jul 17, 201813 votes

Amumus ult entanlges enemy making them not being able to basic attack or move but can still cast spells Vasically the opposite of disarm

Press Q WinJul 17, 20182 votes

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Amumus ult entanlges enemy making them not being able to basic attack or move but can still cast spells Vasically the opposite of disarm

Ah that i didn't know.

Mokuto BunshiJul 17, 20181 votes

Its like a stun - silence really.

LeetriJul 17, 20181 votes

Nah, stuns prevent ability casts as well. Entangles are effectively Root + Disarm.

Mokuto BunshiJul 18, 20181 votes

Im'ma spell out what I meant A stun MINUS a silence. My bad XD

ZerenzaJul 17, 201810 votes

What we should take into consideration though is the thought behind giving them that ability, or the circumstances in which it activates.

Yasuo : Press W, lasts for 3 seconds, anything that hit's it and is a projectile is stopped. Broken, i'll agree. Fiora : Press W, Lasts for 1.5 seconds, only negates something for the first .75 seconds. Okay, fair, requires good timing. Irelia : Press R, Lasts for 2-3.5 Seconds, only disarms opponents who try to run away. Okay, Fair, a champion who's a good Duelist requires you to fight her by using a long CD ultimate and if you run your punished for .75 seconds, cool. Akali : Press W, become Tue Stealthed, you can be revealed but cannot be auto attacked or targeted by single target abilities at all, this includes tower's, you reveal yourself when you attack as normal and if your under tower you will always be revealed but still won't be able to be targeted by single target abilities or auto attacks. Okay, relatively unfair but definitely could be balanced.

I really don't see a problem with champions countering a certain thing, that just means that if a team/champion is too strong or is full of a certain type of thing you can give yourself an edge by picking them. I understand yasuo because of the sheer lack of skill it takes to block something, but the overall power the ability has as a whole, like sure Fiora can block everything, but the key here is "Can" she has the ability to but it require's some skill to do so and it's also on a long cooldown, doesn't last near as long and locks her in an animation for twice the amount of the actual immunity. Akali i kind of understand too but there are cruxes here and there that allow for you to fight back, even if she dives you her cooldowns are way to long for her to sit under your turret and unleash more than one spell rotation, the same amount everyone else gets when they dive someone early, though some can definitely unload more.

NaymlissJul 17, 20183 votes

For me the issue with Irelia is it gives her another Trinity proc, which means unless you're a tank you're getting one shot.

flibitydooJul 17, 20188 votes

She looks much more fair than current akali

current akali's win condition is press Q and pop Q and congratulations massive damage and healing is yours. Her ult is actually extremely low damage if you actually look at it, what makes it OP is it means her Q pops are guaranteed because it's a targetted dash with a massive range.

This new one looks like the gimmick is making those rings on your opponent and then moving back and forth across them to access most of your damage output. Which actually makes her less of an assassin and more like this duelist.

Mokuto BunshiJul 17, 20188 votes

...Factually correct.

Old Akali has very little counter play except walk away if you're marked.

Romans VI XXIIIJul 17, 20181 votes

except current akali cant tower dive u and ignore the tower..... there is no safe space with new akali...... current akali is on the weak side till 6, new akali can tower dive pre -6 with all her new dash/invis abilites as basic abilities now.

She is going to go from weak pre 6 strong post 6, to strong all the time.....

My Waifu VanillaJul 17, 20184 votes

Except the shroud is largely the same if not worse for melee match ups. Next to no melee champion could reveal her ANYWAY so that point is largely irrelevant and the fact the shroud no longer lasts 8 seconds regardless of how you use it is a straight nerf. I want you to go in your match history and look at how many people in game could ACTUALLY reveal stealth. The most meta one is Kaisa on her W and that is about it.

Romans VI XXIIIJul 17, 20181 votes

summoner 14

most meta stealth revealer + Countered her healing

PaffWasTakenJul 17, 20184 votes

dumb community members: "Aatrox on release was too strong! He didn't deserve those hotfixes!"

Rito with Akali rework: "Hold my beer"

IllabetheJul 16, 20183 votes

Her new Shroud is friggin a lot more predictable and less powerful than the old one. It's a skill shotter's dream.... the middle becoming visible and only being a ring.

MalakJul 17, 201810 votes

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Her new Shroud is friggin a lot more predictable and less powerful than the old one. It's a skill shotter's dream.... the middle becoming visible and only being a ring.

?? skillshotter's dream?? bro wtf

Mokuto BunshiJul 17, 20182 votes

I think you mean if you back out to one edge her location becomes more binary because shes either coming from the left or right shot zone (unless shes at the back)

But I wouldn't call it a skill shotters dream...

Especially not for (mounted) Kled . She already seems to counter him because finishers.

SpecterVonBarenJul 17, 20182 votes

Still not Kalista unless he makes a champ as bad as Kalista he hasn't gotten worse.

kaironenJul 16, 20181 votes

For some reason, the way you phrased it sounded like Certainly T was in a shonen Anime :P. In all seriousness, i'm not entirely sure what all of akali's abilities are but let's not Exaggerate her abilities as being mega mobile or 0 counterplay or w/e. And also, akali is already currently very toxic and annoying to deal with so it isn't like akali will turn from ok but needs work on to insanely toxic in a single rework.

BIFFJul 17, 20187 votes

Bruh watch the vid... even the fountain couldnt counter play her shroud

ZerenzaJul 17, 20182 votes

She's actually revealed during that, even though the tower/fountain can't target her, it will the second she attacks btw but you can see her, its like no one read the ability, you have to land a skillshot to hit her, she can't be targeted by AA's and Single Target Abilities that what it does, it doesn't grant ultimate immunity lol