Why do people keep saying ADCs are weak?

Niyumi·Jan 6, 2017·9 votes·1,754 views

"Oh no! I got hit by CC and was focused and died! ADCs are pathetic right now!"... just ignoring the fact that you took out their hyper tank instantly, drain tank better than Vlad ever did, two shot squishies, and siege harder than anyone.

Like... remind me in what way ADCs are weak. They're not squishy when they heal for 300+ twice a second, they do more damage than literally anyone, they have a person in the game who is dedicated to keeping them alive, they have no counterplay, they have the most diverse item options...

I don't get how they're weak in any way.

42 Comments

PermabannedGarenJan 6, 20179 votes

There is more to the game than late game.

NiyumiJan 6, 20173 votes

5 minutes into the game, the ADC does more damage than anyone in the game.

10 minutes into the game, Cait is one shotting people, and Vayne is already 3/0 if she's not an idiot.

15 minutes into the game, the ADC is carrying the game, and wins every teamfight for their team.

20 minutes into the game, the ADC is an unkillable god with lifesteal, and you can't do anything to them without your whole team or a fuck ton of CC and burst.

40 minutes into the game, you need 2-3 people to fight the ADC, and even then you might lose if they're a mobile one.

... and this is all just assuming the ADC knows how to right click on people and kite, which isn't hard to do.

Trap or a TrickJan 6, 20173 votes

what fucking world do you live in??

NiyumiJan 6, 20172 votes

The real world? Not the imaginary world where ADCs are bad.

Hexs FortuneJan 6, 20172 votes

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5 minutes into the game, the ADC does more damage than anyone in the game.

10 minutes into the game, Cait is one shotting people, and Vayne is already 3/0 if she's not an idiot.

15 minutes into the game, the ADC is carrying the game, and wins every teamfight for their team.

20 minutes into the game, the ADC is an unkillable god with lifesteal, and you can't do anything to them without your whole team or a fuck ton of CC and burst.

40 minutes into the game, you need 2-3 people to fight the ADC, and even then you might lose if they're a mobile one.

... and this is all just assuming the ADC knows how to right click on people and kite, which isn't hard to do.

You must be playing a game other than league of slows and gapclosers on every champ

NiyumiJan 6, 20172 votes

Okay. So tell me which ADC, minus Sivir, has no mobility or CC? ADCs literally cannot be stopped if they're halfway competent. They are the strongest, safest, easiest class in the game, but apparently they're weak?

Hexs FortuneJan 6, 20173 votes

I don't care enough to correct all the things you're wrong about. Maybe one day you'll find out on your own.

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Vayne, Cait, Jinx, Trist, Jhin, MF, Draven, Corki, Varus, Ez... all absurd right now. Sivir, Lucian and Koggy aren't broken, but apparently we need to buff all ADCs to be as stupidly strong as Vayne.

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

Or... you can't argue against it because you know you're wrong. There's that too.

PermabannedGarenJan 6, 20176 votes

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5 minutes into the game, the ADC does more damage than anyone in the game.

Stopped reading tbh my friend. Continue to demonstrate your complete lack of intelligence in every thread.

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

Okay, so let's prove my "unintelligence" -- let's go have a 1v1 lane, you play an ADC, I'll play an assassin. 5 minutes in, we fight. Guess who'll do more damage and win that trade, barring something like exhaust? Not the assassin.

Then we can repeat that with every other class of champ in the game versus an ADC.

Hauling AsheJan 6, 20172 votes

Actually I just manhandled a mid lane Quinn as Katarina about a week ago. Quinn

It just takes a few levels of enduring poke.

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

So... what does that show, again? Kat can fight literally anyone in the game if she's good enough, and Quinn's kit can't really stop Kat from doing anything she does.

Try doing that with Talon, Zed, LB, or any other assassin. Kat is kind of a special case.

Hauling AsheJan 6, 20174 votes

LB? Did you really just say LB?

Now I know you're joking.

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

LB actually has a weak early game. If she stands in range of her E, that ADC is going to chunk her. Late game, sure, LB can one shot, but so can the ADC.

PermabannedGarenJan 6, 20174 votes

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Okay, so let's prove my "unintelligence" -- let's go have a 1v1 lane, you play an ADC, I'll play an assassin. 5 minutes in, we fight. Guess who'll do more damage and win that trade, barring something like exhaust? Not the assassin.

Then we can repeat that with every other class of champ in the game versus an ADC.

I wouldn't have to do it with a champion from every class. I'd just need to do it with one. Like Darius for example.

Do you think an ADC will stat-check Darius five minutes into the game? Do note you just said damage, so poking outside of Darius' range where he can't hit you doesn't prove your point.

I already know the answer to this question, and I can easily prove it mathematically, but I just want to see how delusional you are.

NiyumiJan 7, 20171 votes

Okay well see, Darius can't even touch a competent ADC, so anything the ADC does is > 0.

EedatJan 6, 20174 votes

ADCs are absolute garbage right now lmao

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

Yeah, how? Give me objective reasons and examples.

EedatJan 6, 20172 votes

The "diverse item options" you stated is BS. ADCs right now are pretty much locked into one build path to be viable

item 3031 > Zeal Item > 2nd Zeal item > Lifesteal Item > Lord dominicks

Not only are you pigeonholed into buying a ridiculously expensive item 3031 , but the item is absolute dogshit on its own until you're forced to build even more items around it.

They need 3 items to be relevant at all unless they're fed as shit. Even then they will get run down and shit on by any meta tank or bruiser and deleted. I can't even count the number of times I've completely deleted a previously fed ADC from the game as Wukong.

Armor is dirt fucking cheap. For comparison, 1 AD is valued at 35g. 1 Armor is valued at 20g. Get it? Do I need to mention that armor items are also vastly cheaper than AD items?

NiyumiJan 7, 20171 votes

If you're building two Zeal items, that might be your issue.

item 3031 or item 3508 or item 3153 > Zeal Item > LDR / MR (or BT if ahead) > BT / Merc / DD > Situational, could be a Merc, could be a Sterak's, maybe a Frozen Mallet, possibly GA, or even more damage.

And uh, for 1300g, you can make any armor that tank builds worthless. For 2700 gold, you can make that tank feel like he's made out of paper.

item 1038 + item 3006 + item 3086 + item 1036 = Relevant ADC that will delete most champs, and kill all of them given enough time.

RexSaurJan 7, 20173 votes

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If you're building two Zeal items, that might be your issue.

or or > Zeal Item > LDR / MR (or BT if ahead) > BT / Merc / DD > Situational, could be a Merc, could be a Sterak's, maybe a Frozen Mallet, possibly GA, or even more damage.

And uh, for 1300g, you can make any armor that tank builds worthless. For 2700 gold, you can make that tank feel like he's made out of paper.

+ + + = Relevant ADC that will delete most champs, and kill all of them given enough time.

BF zeal will not delete anybody wtf are you smoking.

I honestly dont think you have ever played adc, they are beyond shit with twitch cait vayne being the only ones who still have some impact on the game.

NiyumiJan 7, 20171 votes

Yeah... at least I don't lie to myself. With that build right there early game, you will destroy anyone you can get in range of.

I honestly don't think you play the same game I do. Twitch, Cait and Vayne are beyond broken sure, but every other ADC is still broken.

Here's how it works in League:

Holy Trinity > Other ADCs > Targeted burst mages > Tanks > Bruisers > Other mages > Assassins.

Trap or a TrickJan 6, 20173 votes

they don't deal much dmg and get 1 shot by every champ, EVERY champ

NiyumiJan 6, 20173 votes

Yeah... I don't think you're playing League then. ADCs are the gods of this game right now.

Trap or a TrickJan 6, 20172 votes

no. everything OTHER than ad is op rn. the only good adc's right now are vayne and cait. ban thoses two or pick them first and you'll forget they even have an ad

NiyumiJan 6, 20172 votes

Vayne, Cait, Jinx, Trist, Jhin, MF, Draven, Corki, Varus, Ez... all absurd right now. Sivir, Lucian and Koggy aren't broken, but apparently we need to buff all ADCs to be as stupidly strong as Vayne.

Hexs FortuneJan 6, 20172 votes

Bottom line is early game adc's have next to no presence. Laning is mostly on the supports back. Rito even acknowleged that Jungle, Mid and Top have too much influence in bot lane. The ganks are free right now.

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

So... tell me why ADCs can go mid, top and jungle and still carry games? If they're so weak, and can't do anything without a support, you'd think they would just lose, right?

And Rito created that problem by adding first turret blood and removing the turret shield on bot lane.

Therion77Jan 6, 20172 votes

That's been my experience. Top, Mid, and Jungle will be duking it out early & mid-game while we're chilling in the bottom lane doing much of nothing. There are games where the enemy team comp negates my early-game damage completely and I'm totally useless in team fights. In this new "the adc is worthless" meta I've been sporting the 100% crit build on Jhin to up my mobility mid-game. I don't crank out as much damage, but I avoid dying as much as possible. It's better to be worthless and avoid feeding than to feed and be worthless. With higher mobility I can focus on objectives and making quick escapes. ─ At least my kite-game is "100%." LOL!!! Worthless...

I bloody despise Maokai and Malphite . WHY WON'T YOU DIE!?!?!??!

Genocide VictimJan 6, 20172 votes

Is that why people are playing mages bot now?lel

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

People are playing Ziggs bot because he's broken enough to fight the broken ADCs. Takes broken to beat it, I suppose. But, mid game, Ziggs loses to the ADC he was pummeling.

Genocide VictimJan 6, 20171 votes

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People are playing Ziggs bot because he's broken enough to fight the broken ADCs. Takes broken to beat it, I suppose. But, mid game, Ziggs loses to the ADC he was pummeling.

Lol you got it completely backwards. Ziggs is 20x better mid game than any adc. So is any other ap bot, Ziggs just does best against them in lane and is good at taking towers.

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

Early game, Ziggs wins, mostly because of his waveclear, not because of his damage. Mid game, both him and the ADC can instagib each other, so whoever fucks up first loses.

Genocide VictimJan 6, 20171 votes

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Early game, Ziggs wins, mostly because of his waveclear, not because of his damage. Mid game, both him and the ADC can instagib each other, so whoever fucks up first loses.

Ziggs autowin in teamfights vs adc. Do you play this game 1v1 or something? Also Ziggs does more damage to champions by end game. Why play adc?

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

Ummm, no. Ziggs doesn't auto-win since he has skillshots. ADCs just click, AFK, and delete one person after another. The frontline will eat all the Ziggs Qs, and then the teamfight is lost, since you have no ADC.

Why play ADC? The most damage and sustain in the game, with the least risk and skill requirement, and the highest item diversity.

Genocide VictimJan 6, 20172 votes

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Ummm, no. Ziggs doesn't auto-win since he has skillshots. ADCs just click, AFK, and delete one person after another. The frontline will eat all the Ziggs Qs, and then the teamfight is lost, since you have no ADC.

Why play ADC? The most damage and sustain in the game, with the least risk and skill requirement, and the highest item diversity.

Delete one person after another?In the mid game when tank items are 10x better than damage items because they are more cost-efficient? Meanwhile adcs get blown up in 0,5 seconds. LOL

AhristocatsJan 6, 20171 votes

ziggs is played because of first blood tower

mages aren't played bot

or i don't know, i'm not playing in bronze

Alaric The SicJan 6, 20172 votes

If adcs are so weak right now. Why are 4 of the top 10 players in challenger adcs? I mean there shouldn't be a single Adc anywhere near the top 20 if they are so weak.

Reality check: if you are getting blown up every game before doing any damage you have terrible positioning. Constitently adcs have the highest damage in game.

ForgiveColourJan 7, 20173 votes

I wonder what elo you are for using a sample size of 10 or just straight up retarded i dunno

Hauling AsheJan 6, 20171 votes

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just ignoring the fact that you took out their hyper tank instantly

What game are you playing?

NiyumiJan 6, 20171 votes

The game where I can have 470 armor (and 3.6k health) as Rammus but still die in less than two seconds to an MF with no more armor pen than a Duskblade, or play Darius with 260 armor and die in half a second to their ADC, or where I can play Camille and have 4k health and 170 armor but be unable to kill an Ashe who is at half health.

Oh let's also not forget that when I play an assassin and attempt to fight an ADC (which is supposed to counter ADCs, you know), I do half of the ADC's health in the same time it takes for them to entirely kill me.

Fun game I play. And yet, the developers are buffing ADCs while nerfing junglers and anyone else who can stop them. Fun, right?

BastionKrossJan 6, 20171 votes

If ADCs were weak, the team wouldn't send four/five man ganks down there constantly to keep them from reaching late game and murdering everyone. In fact, with assassins having their damage delayed and tanks having a gimped resolve tree they have to traverse to get to their best mastery, ADCs have more agency now than at some points in the past.

The only thing you can do is gank the hell out of them and hope they can't get to late game before the match ends. Sort of like a Nasus, but squisher and ranged.