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Ultimate explination of Ziggs bot and "adc are weak"

Ahristocats·Jan 4, 2017·6 votes·788 views

So it's 11 pm right now here and i'm going to do the last thread of the day to explain something that apparently no one on board is understand

Ziggs bot works because of first tower, he gets them by 5 min and gives to his team an advantage no one ever saw in the past 5 years of league

Comprendo? because ziggs doesn't: -do more damage than adc -bully adc (in fact he loses 2v2 against 50% of adc roster)

Second thing that no one understand is ziggs showing botlane DOES NOT MEAN THAT ADC ARE WEAK He's someone with one job: taking the first tower, he doesn't fucking replace an adc damage wise, he can't help his team to take baron in 7 seconds and can't kill a tank he does NOT INVALID ADC

you could put assassins, other mages, or bruisers bot THE SAME FUCKING RESULT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED= ziggs taking first tower

to defeat ziggs you need hard counters that are not limited to adc, picks that can: -infinitly waveclear like they have mana sustain and can waveclear for an eternity special mention to -auto-win fight against ziggs for once she's usefull, and she can delay his pushing with E - lvl 2= ziggs can no longer approaches minions

12 Comments

PhDs NutsJan 4, 20172 votes

Ziggs doesn't lose lane against ADCs. There are zero things an ADC can do to stop Ziggs from playing the way he wants, even if they can push the lane back. It's all up to the support.

AhristocatsJan 4, 20171 votes

that's kind of what i said in the thread

PhDs NutsJan 4, 20174 votes

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that's kind of what i said in the thread

You said he loses 2v2 against 50% of the adc roster and can't outrange them. The ADC doesn't matter.

AhristocatsJan 4, 20172 votes

Kalista Caitlyn Ezreal Draven Lucian Graves if he wins a fight bot against those one there is a problem in your game

maybe you're giving too much attention to the number? i said 50% but what i meant is that he can't fight against a huge amount of adc i don't know what's the %

PhDs NutsJan 4, 20171 votes

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if he wins a fight bot against those one there is a problem in your game

lol what? Ziggs will at worst go even with Kalista, Cait, and Draven. They don't even have movement, and Ziggs will never miss a Q/W/E against a Draven that wants to catch his axes. Graves isn't played bot lane, but he isn't winning a lane phase fight with Ziggs, especially with minions around.

AhristocatsJan 4, 20172 votes

bro ziggs Q does 75 damage at lvl 1 with 6 sec cd he has 54 base AD and 0.65 attack speed his passive does nearly 30 bonus damage at lvl 3 and has 12 sec cd

do you really think ziggs can pick up a fight? kalista can dodge his Q with passive and stack her E easily since ziggs can't kill her, she also forces him to fight while dashing i know because i witnessed it today

Draven AA does like 110 damage with Q and he can get 2 axes, his W also gives him attack speed ziggs is going to die in 5 autos

RivuoJan 4, 20173 votes

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bro ziggs Q does 75 damage at lvl 1 with 6 sec cd

+65% Ability Power including the AP he starts with.

he has 54 base AD and 0.65 attack speed

So does like.. every adc...

his passive does nearly 30 bonus damage at lvl 3 and has 12 sec cd

Your point..? 30 damage at level 3 is a lot considering the hp pool in bot lane is like 600

do you really think ziggs can pick up a fight? kalista can dodge his Q with passive and stack her E easily since ziggs can't kill her, she also forces him to fight while dashing i know because i witnessed it today

Who the fuck plays kalista in season 7

Draven AA does like 110 damage with Q and he can get 2 axes, his W also gives him attack speed ziggs is going to die in 5 autos

Nobody can trade with draven, thats such a horrible comparison.

ViiLLAiNJan 4, 20171 votes

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if he wins a fight bot against those one there is a problem in your game

maybe you're giving too much attention to the number? i said 50% but what i meant is that he can't fight against a huge amount of adc i don't know what's the %

lol ziggs can rip all of those adc wtf lmao all he has to do is outpush u in lane force u to farm under turret let them try to poke u thats a free q to the face ziggs is oppressive bot

ErockandrollJan 4, 20171 votes

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lol ziggs can rip all of those adc wtf lmao all he has to do is outpush u in lane force u to farm under turret let them try to poke u thats a free q to the face ziggs is oppressive bot

I think you would run out of mana real quickly if you kept pushing like that. But if that's your logic, then the main counter to this should be other hard pushing ADC's. Thinking the likes of Jinx Rockets or Trist bombs, but I should think Sivir would be particularly good as her spell shield can absorb the Ziggs poke.

ViiLLAiNJan 4, 20171 votes

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I think you would run out of mana real quickly if you kept pushing like that. But if that's your logic, then the main counter to this should be other hard pushing ADC's. Thinking the likes of Jinx Rockets or Trist bombs, but I should think Sivir would be particularly good as her spell shield can absorb the Ziggs poke.

sivir isnt good in this meta nor is tristana u cant pick adcs to counter lanes because u pick adcs against team comps not ur laner.

also yes ziggs can run out of mana but what happens when u have a brand ziggs lane yeah u can camp and gank it but what jungler is actually gonna realize that and do that without u spam pinging in solo q

RivuoJan 4, 20171 votes

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that's kind of what i said in the thread

Thats 100% not what you said

Glory ln DeathJan 4, 20171 votes

Lanfear?

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