Unholy grail is so good.

ChaddyFantome··5 votes·1,134 views

Just played a game versus Syndra as Orianna midlane. Decided to get item 3165 + item 3174 because they had a Ryze Top and a Corki ADC.

Not only does it give a decent amount of MR, but with morelo you get 40% CDR with 2 items and passive regen, allowing me to stay back and clear the wave for farming. The regen also made it to where I didn't need to back because I was too low on HP or oom all the time. You still do a hefty amount of damage too and the utility it provides is amazing. The healing on your Shield it gives makes it to where you can effectively save teammates and become almost more supportive while dealing consistent damage and keeping your front line alive indefinitely. Your Q does down to about 3 seconds and your W to about 5. Because of this we were able to siege the enemy base in prolonged fights without having to back because I could keep my front line and even my ADC healthy.

This might sound like an odd buildpath to some, as you give up some upfront damage but as a Mid AND Support player, I greatly value this kind of utility. I'm gonna try this out more and see just how far this rabbit whole goes. So far, I haven't found my damage was too low to where I wasn't able to keep up or do my job, in fact I missed a few kills underestimating my damage, and the fact i could keep my team alive allowed us to take more objectives. Ganks and dives were much safer for my jungler or support Leona.

I think i might try this on Lux, Morgana, Kayle next.

16 Comments

The KnightOwl2 votes

I just played an ori game and built grail as well, I thought it was amazing after a couple of damage items and max level shield.

Danjeng2 votes

It's a pretty solid item on any utility mage who can use its effects. unholy grail + morellos already gives 40% cdr and enough mana to be casting indefinitely.

Luner Hunter1 votes

the current unholy grail is a shadow of it's former self... it's a good item on Nami but that's just about it...

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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the current unholy grail is a shadow of it's former self... it's a good item on Nami but that's just about it...

It is pointless unless you have a shield or heal, and I am fine with that. Having everyone build Grail every game midlane was silly.

cyberbullied1 votes

its almost like building an item when you can not make use of one of its passive effects is inefficient

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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its almost like building an item when you can not make use of one of its passive effects is inefficient

tell that to the people buying item 3001 instead.

Luner Hunter1 votes

Or those building item 3285 but i mean MOAR DAMAHGEZ IZ BETTEH DAN MANA REEEEEEEJEHN!

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Or those building item 3285 but i mean MOAR DAMAHGEZ IZ BETTEH DAN MANA REEEEEEEJEHN!

Except Ludens synergizes perfectly with Ori since she can get the proc up more often with her Q, wheras she can't even use the aura from Abyssal to any effect in most situations.

cyberbullied1 votes

10% increased magic damage for any mage is not a useless passive. In fact I would say this is one of the most undervalued items in the game.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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10% increased magic damage for any mage is not a useless passive. In fact I would say this is one of the most undervalued items in the game.

Its 10%...if the targets are in the aura range.......... which you generally don't want them to be in because if it is basically a melee zone aura, which means the enemy is on top of you.

The item is inefficient unless you can make use of the aura consistently and Orianna as well as most mages can't and don't.

Orianna at least could arguably use ti early game, but you aren't gonna be rushing abyssal on Orianna without going OOM after 5 spells.

cyberbullied1 votes

well lets see, katarinaKatarina , no mana melee range ap assassin, Akali akali, melee ap assassinEvelynn melee range ap assassin Teemo short range AP user

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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well lets see, katarinaKatarina , no mana melee range ap assassin, Akali akali, melee ap assassinEvelynn melee range ap assassin Teemo short range AP user

Dude, learn to read. We are talking about a specific champion here. Orianna.

cyberbullied1 votes

even on orianna is still a good item, anypoint where she is self ulting it works fine

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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even on orianna is still a good item, anypoint where she is self ulting it works fine

You didn't read?

The item is inefficient unless you can make use of the aura consistently and Orianna as well as most mages can't and don't. Orianna at least could arguably use ti early game, but you aren't gonna be rushing abyssal on Orianna without going OOM after 5 spells.

logic3011 votes

I build it first on karma mid almost every game

Hexs Fortune1 votes

Ori is probably the one true mid that gets the most out of it

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