Increase Auto attack range a tiny bit.
Literally all he needs to be perfect.
Helps his laning phase since he can't guarantee harass with his Q anymore. Only way he'll trade is through auto attacks if the enemy is standing behind 2+ creeps.
RaiseYourBortles2 votesVeigar is in a really good state now i don't understand people still wanting buffs for him. He's a strong mid laner.
BuCkeT SeiZureS2 votesI just want them to make his kit more cohesive. You can tell they didn't spend much time on his rework. His abilities are all decent. And his new E is amazing. But they don't work together at all. It would not have been difficult at all to make his kit flow, but they really just got lazy.
DanofDemacia1 votesOMG stap he is fine i personally play him and always do well even against assasins he so easy to use/ be good with he doesnt need annything
lB2kGRlc8y2 votesNo, he's only easy when playing against morons, his kit no longer rewards skill, it just punishes mistakes.
DanofDemacia1 votesNo, he's only easy when playing against morons, his kit no longer rewards skill, it just punishes mistakes.
No really his e still has zero counter play and his ult still does massive damage and his w isn't even that hard to land out without e just so good
Thryale1 votesveig's ult is a joke now. it's a flat dmg nuke with a 1.0 ap ratio. with a huge cd. And come late game, if yer doin yer job right, yer using yer ult on the adc, not the apc, so you aren't benefiting from the extra enemy ap ratio at all.
atm, veigs W does just as much dmg (sans 180 flat dmg) as his ult, and he can hit multiple targets! and that's on an 8ish sec cd.
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesSeriously... E has no counterplay? I find it hard to believe that you've ever played Veigar with such a misinformed statement. Warning Particles and delay are both things that counter the ability. Teleports ignore its stun functionality and Veigar's average life span in combat is about how long it takes for the walls to come up. Please, if you're playing against people bad enough to make Veigar's kit look amazing, stop posting shit about the matter, because in that place, Ashe is probably top Tier.
DanofDemacia1 votesSeriously... E has no counterplay? I find it hard to believe that you've ever played Veigar with such a misinformed statement. Warning Particles and delay are both things that counter the ability. Teleports ignore its stun functionality and Veigar's average life span in combat is about how long it takes for the walls to come up. Please, if you're playing against people bad enough to make Veigar's kit look amazing, stop posting shit about the matter, because in that place, Ashe is probably top Tier.
It doesnt have any counter play and like 15 champions have blinks in the game including ultimates so most people arent getting out without flash and thats a good trade
lB2kGRlc8y1 votesYea... Let's not forget the other types of mobility that allow you to get out before the walls even appear. Yea, against maybe ashe or another Veigar, it would require flash to escape, but practically anyone with more than boots on their person for movespeed, or a single mobility spell can get out before the stun appears.
Thryale1 votesquestion: how much did you play him before the rework?
DanofDemacia1 votesquestion: how much did you play him before the rework?
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Thryale1 votesand that is why you like the new veigar.
You weren't used to his old play style, and his new play style is very similar to every other mage with skill shot poke/farm.
Old veig had 2 things going for him, reliability, and the promise of a late game in exchange for a crappy laning phase. New veig trades his reliability for a slightly easier laning phase, but that also comes at the cost of having his ult nerfed due to it now being his only reliable spell AND the false premise that you can get double stacks with the same amount of minions.
DanofDemacia1 votesand that is why you like the new veigar.
You weren't used to his old play style, and his new play style is very similar to every other mage with skill shot poke/farm.
Old veig had 2 things going for him, reliability, and the promise of a late game in exchange for a crappy laning phase. New veig trades his reliability for a slightly easier laning phase, but that also comes at the cost of having his ult nerfed due to it now being his only reliable spell AND the false premise that you can get double stacks with the same amount of minions.
His late game is still the funnest thing around and still very promising. Q+R dead someone gaurenteed not many mages have that
Thryale1 votesbut that's just it: "many mages have that"
then what does veig have that stands him out from his competition? It's not a strong laning phase, and come late game, you don't always need maor dmgz. So combine how his kit is no longer synergistic (delay on E makes landing W much harder, skill shot Q means his backup plan is ranged poke like every other mage) and the fact that veig is no longer the only mage that can get 1k+ ap, he really doesn't have much of a unique niche or role to fill anymore. In short, I'd say he's been homogenized in the name of removing "toxic" play patterns.
that said, veig is not in a terrible spot, I just don't like to play as him anymore. I no longer enjoy him, as he just feels like every other mage and no longer has the reliability I want in a champ.
DanofDemacia1 votesbut that's just it: "many mages have that"
then what does veig have that stands him out from his competition? It's not a strong laning phase, and come late game, you don't always need maor dmgz. So combine how his kit is no longer synergistic (delay on E makes landing W much harder, skill shot Q means his backup plan is ranged poke like every other mage) and the fact that veig is no longer the only mage that can get 1k+ ap, he really doesn't have much of a unique niche or role to fill anymore. In short, I'd say he's been homogenized in the name of removing "toxic" play patterns.
that said, veig is not in a terrible spot, I just don't like to play as him anymore. I no longer enjoy him, as he just feels like every other mage and no longer has the reliability I want in a champ.
I beg to differ his waveclear and poke is actually really good and his e even if u cant get the stun they are trapped in there for ganks sorry but hes in a good spot
arcinex1 votesI like this.
I would like to add the ability for his q to hit 3 targets.
Trash MammaI1 votesIf TF can't get it then Veigar can't
Sooko1 votesDid TF get nerfed?
Curling Veigar2 votesDid TF get nerfed?
No he didn't, and yes that ult ratio nerf was unjustified
Spicy Rice1 votes[{quoted}](name=Curling Veigar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nwEmoynF,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-05-12T01:25:24.266+0000)
No he didn't, and yes that ult ratio nerf was unjustified
Honestly what was the rationale behind it?
@RiotHQ "we just took away his instant stun and his damage amplification item. Lets compensate veigar by reducing his ult damage by 20%, that's sure to help him retain his 100-0 mage identity
Curling Veigar1 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nwEmoynF,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-12T03:07:28.946+0000)
Honestly what was the rationale behind it?
@RiotHQ "we just took away his instant stun and his damage amplification item. Lets compensate veigar by reducing his ult damage by 20%, that's sure to help him retain his 100-0 mage identity
Something about "He gets twice as much AP now."
You can still get the same amount of AP with the old Q if you had enough CDR, which is the funny thing, lol.
Thryale1 voteseh, they said you could get twice as many stacks, but same difference really.
All in all, I fail to see how getting 2 stacks with 1 q magically makes me get 12 stacks from 6 minions.
I never had a problem getting 4-6 stacks per wave once I hit lvl 9, and with 9% spell vamp, and 1 or 2 d rings, I could sustain just fine, and actually win my lane some times while still getting good stacks.
Sooko1 votesI think all he deserves is the good ratio back on his ult. Riot literally said his signature was 100-0 mage and not a dude who stuns you instantly from a distance, but then, for some reason, also nerfed his base damage, turning him into the 100-20 mage they said he wasn't supposed to be, unless he last hits all game for 35 minutes in a row. Makes no sense that the compensation of a lost damage item took away damage from his kit, not to mention nerfing him in general.
His Goatliness1 votesVeig isn't bad. It's just he E that's bad. A good veigar can still trounce almost all enemies in lane.
Lauricella31 voteswhy not just nerf his damage a bit and give him a 20% damage amp on stun
lB2kGRlc8y2 votescause his stun was made unreliable to the point that makes his meteor a non factor in his kit.
Thryale1 votespretty much this
skyfall6191 votesveigar isnt bad right now, his kit just has no synergy.