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So many posts saying ADC mains hate bot lane's new diversity, but I don't see any ADC posts.

Aimléss··7 votes·1,288 views

If all those posts are all downvoted to oblivion then obviously it's a minority if any saying this. The only posts I see are posts complaining about how much of an utter joke most ADC's are, even Ezreal and Kasai have fallen down the ladder.

It's so bad that I would argue that tanks in the top lane are more viable than ADC's are in the bot lane.

Bottom tier Tanks Ornn 47.5%: https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Ornn/Top/ Shen 48.1% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Nautilus/Top/ Nautilus 48.1% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Shen/Top/ TahmKench 48.5% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/TahmKench/Top/

Bottom tier ADCs Tristana 45.9% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Tristana/ADC/ Caitlyn 46.4% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Caitlyn/ADC/ Kalista 46.9% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Kalista/ADC/ Varus 47.1% https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Varus/ADC/

Yet nowhere on the boards would anyone dare to make this comparison. If marksmen want their champs buffed cause they're garbage people say "They want the lane all for themselves with no diversity", but if a tank asks for buffs I never hear "They want to kick out the carry and bruiser tops". The boards double standards never cease to amaze me. And people wonder why Riot won't even respond to the damn posts!

14 Comments

Colton1473 votes

Ornn needs his damage nerfs reverted and his Unstoppable back.

heroikc1 votes

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Ornn needs his damage nerfs reverted and his Unstoppable back.

I could live with his unstoppable returned.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

i see them all the time. just look around a bit.

there are a lot of people genuinely the opinion, that marksmen are dead as a role, which is complete bullshit.

they do have scaling issues because average game times are like 10 full minutes too short. but that cant be fixed by buffing marksmen.

Aimléss1 votes

Saying marksmen suck and diversity is bad are two totally different things.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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Saying marksmen suck and diversity is bad are two totally different things.

there are people who are the opinion, that bot lane belongs to marksmen and other champion types shouldnt be allowed.

plus, the diversity is often used as an argument by marksmen mains that their class is not viable. they spread garbage of how marksmen are being pushed out of the game by bruisers and mages.

Aimléss3 votes

When only 4/17 ADC's have a +50% winrate in their one and only role you're looking at a class that is easily the the worst in the game.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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When only 4/17 ADC's have a +50% winrate in their one and only role you're looking at a class that is easily the the worst in the game.

those 4 early game marksmen are mostly responsible for those other marksmen having a below 50% winrate, yes.

and when games last 23 minutes at high mmr on average, then only those 4 early game marksmen will be meta, while the lategame scaling marksmen arent. there is no lategame in 23 minute games. this is really the issue.

OtterlyLost2 votes

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there are people who are the opinion, that bot lane belongs to marksmen and other champion types shouldnt be allowed.

plus, the diversity is often used as an argument by marksmen mains that their class is not viable. they spread garbage of how marksmen are being pushed out of the game by bruisers and mages.

Also this shit is inherently untrue. There are no adc mains who feel this way. Just board members circle jerking and talking over them. What ADC mains what is true diversity. In that their champs have the same freedom that every other role has and just received; the freedom to go to another lane and play their favorite champions there as a solo laner. And I mean ADCs like tristana, jinx, cait. Not graves or corki or Quinn though these are ADCs who are living proof that the champions can be rebalanced yo survive solo lanes and in the jungle.

None of them give a shit about facing mages and bruisers. What they care about are their item builds suck and they were forced to give up their one spot in the game without receiving some alternative positions.

Aimléss3 votes

But scaling champs like Veigar 50% winrate, Jax 50% winrate, are doing just fine in an early game meta. Maybe their problem is they just do too little early-mid game.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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But scaling champs like Veigar 50% winrate, Jax 50% winrate, are doing just fine in an early game meta. Maybe their problem is they just do too little early-mid game.

veigar and jax had been buffed as far as i understand.

the heavy snowballing isnt something that just happened since the recent patches. it started in season 7 already with turret first blood, which coincidentally resulted in a similar meta as right now, where marksmen had scaling issues because of short games.

with the most recent patches, riot gutted turret health, increased turret bounty, buffed rift herald, and gutted barons damage making it easy and low risk to contest for a team thats ahead.

a lot of lategame scaling champions like veigar and nasus were buffed like crazy in season 7 because they didnt scale either anymore. those buffs probably need to be reverted, if they ever manage to get their shit together and make average games take 35 minutes again.

Aimléss1 votes

Even at their worst they weren't as bad as the worst marksmen though. You do not repair a 45% winrate without a buff, a meta shift can only do so much. And still, you expect people with 46% winrate champs to not ask for buffs? If it was your main you would as well.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Even at their worst they weren't as bad as the worst marksmen though. You do not repair a 45% winrate without a buff, a meta shift can only do so much. And still, you expect people with 46% winrate champs to not ask for buffs? If it was your main you would as well.

lmao, they were really terrible. i dont know if youve played those champions, but at the time of their buffs they were straight up garbage. in the same spot as lategame scaling marksmen are now. because there was no lategame.

OtterlyLost2 votes

I'll level with you as an ADC main; I dont care if there is a variety of champs bot lane beyond adcs. What rustles my jimmies are my favorite champions are virtually unplayable and the boards are trying to say buffing them would be a detriment to non existent diversity. True diversity would have been if Riot had taken time to rebalance a handful of the crit adcs to work in a solo lane. Like if they'd found a way to move jinx to the mid lane or made Tristana a viable jungler I wouldn't care. But it's the fact that every other role is getting diversity but I'm not getting anything as a traditional crit ADC except shit on by champs who are balanced for solo lanes.

RoberttheRobber1 votes

I think that every player should experiment and see what works for them in each role. There really isn't anything holding anybody back from trying out what they want.

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