Riot: Pushes crit ADC's back to 30-35 minutes, but does everything to make games end before 25...

Aimléss·Jun 3, 2018·70 votes·19,348 views

Riot releases patches back to back to back that snowball the game and end it earlier. They have stats that show they're making games end earlier and earlier, yet they release a patch considerably delaying the build of crit marksmen by forever without releasing a single thing to increase game length along with it. Then pretend to care about game length now that they've "surprisingly" dumpstered half the marksmen pool.

This is a prime example of meta shifting, not balancing. They wanted to see Lucian and Draven etc. played, so instead of trying to balance the game to make everyone viable, Riot gave up and just dumpstered half the marksmen so people would play them by default.

102 Comments

IceKingChernobogJun 3, 201821 votes

Half? The only adcs worth playing at the moment are Ezreal Kaisa Lucian MissFortune Varus Jhin . Crit based adcs feel so bad woth these changes especially of your playing hyper carries such as twitch/jinx/vayne. You get poked out of lane, lose a massive amount of gold and probably tower from them constantly backing.

D357R0Y3RJun 3, 201812 votes

Ashe the queen of poke wants to have a word with you And BORK is a huge powerspike on her

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 3, 20184 votes

Ashe in 2k18 OMEGALUL. ADC's without dashes or untargetability or INSANE move speed will die. Easily.

D357R0Y3RJun 3, 201826 votes

ah yea, i forgot how mobile varus was

KEK

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 3, 20183 votes

You make it sound like Varus doesn't get shit on every game by (Insert any assassin here).

D357R0Y3RJun 3, 201821 votes

indeed i make it sound like that because varus is the one who bullshits them all with guinsoo

Dasdi96Jun 3, 20184 votes

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the queen of poke wants to have a word with you And BORK is a huge powerspike on her

Ashe has been complete garbage ever since item 3504 meta.

LordxxJun 4, 20187 votes

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has been complete garbage ever since meta.

LOL I love seing things like this . I'll just abuse the brokeness while you guys say she's garbage . INb4 my match history

jmp231Jun 4, 20184 votes

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LOL I love seing things like this . I'll just abuse the brokeness while you guys say she's garbage . INb4 my match history

I like the match history but in only one game did you complete botrk on Ashe in the past 7 days. Not saying she’s bad though

TerozuJun 3, 20185 votes

Jhin is crit based.

SaibboJun 3, 20184 votes

Jhin gets AD by building crit, other don't (now)

TerozuJun 3, 20181 votes

Ummm he gets ad by building attack speed. Not crit.

Chembaron YamadaJun 3, 20186 votes

Both, actually. Crit and AS give him bonus AD.

TerozuJun 4, 20181 votes

Huh thought it was just attack speed. My bad.

rtbf223434721Jun 4, 20182 votes

I just play crit based adcs, and right now its harder to play them. You need to play it extra safe. Cs like mad. Bring teleport or heal. Dont engage. Protect your tower the best u can. You need a good support that can mitigate damage or give you life.

BUT If u do well in lane with csing or/and if u can get 1 or 2 kils in lane... you auto win the game. The snowball a crit adc have now is realy huge and you can make pentas very easily.

I still play Jinx . It's harder but it is more worthy. I play her on farm, poke and ppl mistakes, never go all in. I try to survive the early game and don't fall behind. If i can do it i can carry and finish the game real quick. If i cant, i still have 4 other team members and the late game.

DigitalExileJun 4, 20181 votes

varus sitting below vayne (-49%) in diamond and plat. Not sure how you find him viable.

SpecterVonBarenJun 3, 201818 votes

Oh my fucking god let one change stick now and THEN bitch when they don't make further changes, can you people stop whining already?! People complained about crit adc's being too strong, don't be a lying scumbag and act like you did not see all those threads complaining about crit ads!

charge attackJun 3, 20189 votes

They didn’t because no1 uses the boards unless their mains are bad.

LivelyfreakJun 4, 20183 votes

Or incredibly OP. Like Lucian feels like right now. I entered these forum to find an answers as to why Lucian is so good right now, because I don't have the mind for that sort of thing, but I still like to know why something works the way it does.

BestPudgeNAJun 3, 201816 votes

And yet their is still a Marksman as the bot lane carry in 99.9% of games and picking anything else is considered "troll"

Marksman are still massively OP, it's still a disgusting busted class.

When other things see play in bot lane then we can talk, until enjoy the freelo with braindead right clicking

Daddy AntsJun 3, 201829 votes

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And yet their is still a Marksman as the bot lane carry in 99.9% of games and picking anything else is considered "troll"

Marksman are still massively OP, it's still a disgusting busted class.

When other things see play in bot lane then we can talk, until enjoy the freelo with braindead right clicking

Braindead right clicking?

You'd know all about that, being an Udyr player.

LordGeovanniJun 4, 20184 votes

udyr at least has to come up with clever ways to get in range.

Flawless FetusJun 4, 20188 votes

Like hit E.

BarcidJun 4, 20182 votes

Or Q, or W, or even R.

Really just any key at all to give himself a speed boost.

BestPudgeNAJun 4, 20183 votes

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Like hit E.

E gives 15% movespeed for 2 seconds at Rank one and a lot of games you max it 3rd. If Udyr ever just presses E and gets on you i think you might have brain damage. Generally speaking he has to find a flank to get on most champs. A few champs like Trist he basically doesn't even get to touch unless they're super overextended late game and he can chase for like 20+seconds.

Udyr is actually a big brain champ despite the fact he may seem basic. His gap closer sucks so he needs to path around the jungle more effectively to get ganks off, he has the most options of skill/build orders of any champ in the game, he also has the most playstyles of any champ in the game. Udyr kit makes him really strong from a macro standpoint, but as far as being just hit E and insta gib someone... not really.

LordGeovanniJun 6, 20182 votes

And Ahri hits q. or r MissFortune hits w and e Xerath hits e and w Veigar hits E Or are we gonna rely on 5 minute flash that the enemy also has Its easy to just quote Udyr press e. when completely ignoring what Udyr and melee champions with out multiple long range/ short cooldown spam able gap closers have to face when they put longer range and shorter cooldown dashes on ranged champions while giving them more damage and cc.

Snowman ArcJun 4, 20181 votes

Oh damn.

PhDs NutsJun 3, 20187 votes

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And yet their is still a Marksman as the bot lane carry in 99.9% of games and picking anything else is considered "troll"

Marksman are still massively OP, it's still a disgusting busted class.

When other things see play in bot lane then we can talk, until enjoy the freelo with braindead right clicking

lol.

First you complain that there's one on both teams in every single game. Then you claim they're freelo. Are both teams winning every game down in your MMR?

BestPudgeNAJun 3, 20184 votes

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lol.

First you complain that there's one on both teams in every single game. Then you claim they're freelo. Are both teams winning every game down in your MMR?

If ADCs mains played in other role 90% would be 2 divisions lower

ZephyrDrakeJun 4, 201810 votes

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If ADCs mains played in other role 90% would be 2 divisions lower

If any main played a role they don't usually play they would be 2 divisions lower, if not more. Don't come saying this like only ADC mains would have this happen

Flawless FetusJun 4, 20184 votes

IDK. I was an ADC main last season. I got stuck bc the only roles that mattered were jg and mid. I switched to jg main and hit diamond real quick. Lol.

BestPudgeNAJun 4, 20182 votes

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IDK. I was an ADC main last season. I got stuck bc the only roles that mattered were jg and mid. I switched to jg main and hit diamond real quick. Lol.

Weird i went to your op.gg and your ADC win rates this year and season 7 are much higher overall for ADC then jungle and you're pretty clearly not playing JG currently.

Also, people upvoting your "ADC didn't matter in ardent meta" comment. LUL.

Flawless FetusJun 6, 20181 votes

What? I just went and checked bc I knew you were lying. Lol. Season 7, the only adc I played much was Draven. I had a 54% winrate. My junglers were Mundo, rammus, and xin. I had a 54%, 66%, and 70% wr on them respectively. In what world is 54 "much higher than" 54, 66, and 70? Lol. You trolling? You're right, I'm not playing much jungle this season. Although I shot up with it last season, it's not a role I enjoy that much. I hit diamond in solo queue this season in a few weeks. Since then, I've been playing mostly mid in flex queue. Lol.

BestPudgeNAJun 6, 20181 votes

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What? I just went and checked bc I knew you were lying. Lol. Season 7, the only adc I played much was Draven. I had a 54% winrate. My junglers were Mundo, rammus, and xin. I had a 54%, 66%, and 70% wr on them respectively.

You had more games on Draven then you did your top 3 Junglers combined. You left out Kayn which was your second most played JG and which you had a 44%WR with close to 100 games. 9 of your top 15 played were ADC, one mid and rest top or jg.

In what world is 54 "much higher than" 54, 66, and 70? Lol. You trolling? You're right, I'm not playing much jungle this season.

Because in my world aka the real world we don't leave out your 44% win rate 3rd most games played Kayn because it doesn't fit your narrative. In my world we look at the facts.

Flawless FetusJun 7, 20181 votes

What? Lol. I spammed the fuck out of kayn. Mainly top and mid before they removed his passive interaction with w/e the DoT mastery was. He's a pretty shitty laner - you can tell I laned him poorly from the winrate. This season I've been jungling him and I've got a 60% wr. Lol. If we count the kayn wr, even though it's not fair bc I played him as a laner, the average jg winrate for Mundo, kayn, rammus, and xin is 57%. Still higher than my 54% adc winrate. If you don't average my lane kayn wr into the equation, my jg wr across those champs averages to 61%. Much higher than 54%. It sounds like your world makes facts up and isn't very good at math. Lol.

BestPudgeNAJun 7, 20181 votes

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What? Lol. I spammed the fuck out of kayn. Mainly top and mid before they removed his passive interaction with w/e the DoT mastery was. He's a pretty shitty laner - you can tell I laned him poorly from the winrate. This season I've been jungling him and I've got a 60% wr. Lol. If we count the kayn wr, even though it's not fair bc I played him as a laner, the average jg winrate for Mundo, kayn, rammus, and xin is 57%. Still higher than my 54% adc winrate. If you don't average my lane kayn wr into the equation, my jg wr across those champs averages to 61%. Much higher than 54%. It sounds like your world makes facts up and isn't very good at math. Lol.

I call BS on your "lane Kayn" you had 135 avg. CS, almost all of your other laners are in the 200-250 range man. You jungled on him and sucked on him. You also did you WR by the champs win % and not games played. Having 44% wr on lucian over less then 30 games isn't the same as have 44% wr on kayn in over 90.

Does you 31% WR eve not count cause you don't like it? How about you 0-2 Graves or 1-4 Udyr 0-3 Ivern 0-3 Trundle 2-4 WW 0-2 Elise 1-2 Mumu. You don't count that do you?

You're literally trying to manipulate the stats to fit your narrative and i can see right through it man.

Flawless FetusJun 7, 20181 votes

Tbh it doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not. Like I said, even if you include Kayn, my jg wr is 57%. Well above the 54% from my carries. I actually did do a weighted average by games played. Thank you for proving my point that the people in 'your world' aren't very good at math. Lol. I just realized that you are you - you show up talking nonsense in a lot of places. Lol. If you wish to insist on being wrong, that's fine. Not going to waste anymore time with a troll. Lol.

BestPudgeNAJun 7, 20181 votes

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Not going to waste anymore time with a troll. Lol.

You convinced me at this point. ADCs were bad in the ardent censor meta. How foolish of me to think otherwise.

DW DianaJun 4, 20186 votes

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Riot releases patches back to back to back that snowball the game and end it earlier. They have stats that show they're making games end earlier and earlier, yet they release a patch considerably delaying the build of crit marksmen by forever without releasing a single thing to increase game length along with it. Then pretend to care about game length now that they've "surprisingly" dumpstered half the marksmen pool.

This is a prime example of meta shifting, not balancing. They wanted to see Lucian and Draven etc. played, so instead of trying to balance the game to make everyone viable, Riot gave up and just dumpstered half the marksmen so people would play them by default.

Welcome to the world of most mages lol. We need 2-3 items to be relevant, but normally don't get there before the game snowballs xD.

KhristophorosJun 3, 20184 votes

Maybe they're trying to phase crit out of the game entirely. Onhit ADCs have higher DPS than crit ADCs at all points in the game including full build.

AimléssJun 3, 20184 votes

I'm saying. I love Kai'sa, she's fun as fuck, but does every new champ have to be OP for their first few months Riot? She does as much damage as the crit adcs late, but is strong all game long!!! All while crit marksmen suffer as dumpster babies for 30 mins for the same amount of damage??? How does this make any sense at all? Oh wait, it doesn't, Riot is just showing favoritism towards their new releases, just look at Irelia...

KhristophorosJun 3, 20186 votes

It's not only new champs. I mean Kog and Varus also outscale crit ADCs.

Daddy AntsJun 3, 20183 votes

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It's not only new champs. I mean Kog and Varus also outscale crit ADCs.

Jinx, Trist, Vayne, Twitch outscaled Kog and Varus before all these cancer changes happened.

Pretty sure Caitlyn outscaled Varus as well.

LordGeovanniJun 4, 20181 votes

any one else notice that riot removed crits doing extra damage (not by that much) from item 3031 but put the exact same thing on item 3095 while infinity edge got a compensation passive.

3TWarriorJun 4, 20183 votes

actually, they didn't. it does up to normal critical damage. its only advantage is that you can guarantee that one hit will be a critical and "decent" stats as its primaries with 70 AD and 30% AS

LordGeovanniJun 4, 20181 votes

Normal crit damage + extra damage.

FefnilJun 4, 20185 votes

No, it doesn't. You should read Stormrazor's tooltip again. Stormrazor makes you crit for 160%-200% of your damage instead of standard 200%. So it actually gives you weaker crits if you don't have other crit items. And if you normally crit on top of the Stormrazor's crit they don't add up, normal crit is always prioritized.

LordGeovanniJun 6, 20181 votes

Storm razor has extra damage on it and the 160-200% scaling is on the extra damage not the crit

Snowman ArcJun 4, 20181 votes

I mean, most crit ADCs are there for late game insurance. No one forces you to play a crit marksman, same as no one forces you to play with a tank or something or a mage mid. You can play whatever you like. If you wanna pick a late game marksman, you can do it, but it's risky. You might lose if the game ends early, but it's a great pick if you can stall.

LivelyfreakJun 4, 20183 votes

to stall out games you have to rely on your team a lot and that is not a solo queue friendly tactic.