Would you look at that, 2 champions hold over 70% of the pickrate of the adcs above platinum atm! With also very high wrs for those pick rates!
Perfectly fine to have 2 champions making every other adc unplayable if you want to actually win.
But hey its fine, 0 nerfs to either or buffs to other adcs this patch!
Daddy Ants44 votesIs that 8.20 only or 8.19?
Because if it's 8.20 only then remember the patch has been out for less than half a day.
Speaking of overtuned -
OtterlyLost17 votesBut better nerf Nami, amirite? [slayer-jinx-wink]
crispy6616 votesscrew nami
BLIGHTBRINGER9 votesHer Healing felt like Soraka's in the Early to Mid game, and I wasn't personally okay with that considering she's suppose to be more of a Disruption (Q & R CC), Utility (Passive & E) based support rather than a full on healer.
crispy665 votesshe's an oppressive support with a full on kit heal poke cc, i mean was it necessary for her W to bounce 3 times?
OtterlyLost5 votesSoraka didnt have a mana cost of a 130 and a base 10 sec CD on her heal though. ._. And if they wanted to tone it back, they could have lowered the base and raised the scaling to make her stronger out of laning in teamfights. Instead they straight nerfed a champion who has been balanced for seasons while leaving more problematic supports(alistar who heals like Soraka for free and thresh who is consistently the top of supports) free of nerfs.
BLIGHTBRINGER11 votesSoraka has to sacrifice 10% of her Max HP on top of the additional 70 Mana to heal someone EACH TIME. I would exchange that for that 130 Mana any day.
You tell me what's more to sacrifice, 60 Additional Mana or 10% of your Max HP...
ExpStealer7 votesNot to mention Nami even heals herself with the same ability xD
Jerry SeinfeId2 votesshe was performing better than both are in that picture... both in win and playrates.
rescued4 votesIs that 8.20 only or 8.19?
Because if it's 8.20 only then remember the patch has been out for less than half a day.
Speaking of overtuned -
But yet nami got nerfed
Daddy Ants3 votesBut yet nami got nerfed
Nami did need a slight power down.
Thresh was unnecessarily buffed in 8.19 along with Pyke.
Alistar has been bs all season.
Tychusfindlay91836 votesI honestly do not mind lucian being meta.
I would take lucian ANY DAY over the likes of kogmaw, tristana, jinx, twitch, etc.
Kaisa on the other hand I would like to see obliterated.
Rexxiee36 votesI honestly do not mind lucian being meta.
I would take lucian ANY DAY over the likes of kogmaw, tristana, jinx, twitch, etc.
Kaisa on the other hand I would like to see obliterated.
Lucian literally facerolling everyone in lane-mid game now while scaling well.
33% pick rate 53% wr
PERFECTLY FINE BOIS
Somber Rites4 votesLucian literally facerolling everyone in lane-mid game now while scaling well.
33% pick rate 53% wr
PERFECTLY FINE BOIS
Better nerf Yorick again.
BLIGHTBRINGER2 votesWhat was their goal or the point of the nerfs anyway...? They said they wanted to make him less powerful in low elo's and more in stronger elo's but honestly nothing was accomplished.
CithriaC2 votesI do see less Yoricks. Even if the nerf actually didn't do much, it scared non-mains off of Yorick.
Somber Rites1 votesI do see less Yoricks. Even if the nerf actually didn't do much, it scared non-mains off of Yorick.
Scared off the non mains, and then pissed the mains off.
Yorick and Mordekaiser always seem to get the shaft. Gutted, reworked, gutted again, and then forgotten unless an item makes them stronger, then they get gutted again. I'm sure there's other champs like that, but I swear those two have it the worst in my eyes.
Yay.
3TWarrior1 votes
if the pros even speak of using these champions in competitive, they get nerfed despite that twisted fate has the lowest damage output of any mage and is wholly an early game champion and i'm fairly sure anivia gets picked for her zoning and not any other features, so they would have to change that in order to affect her in professional
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesDoesnt matter if your damage is slightly lower when you have global presence and a unavoidable stun. No one picks TF for his damage. They pick him because he can 1v9 with macro plays and has decent waveclear as well.
3TWarrior1 votesis that why his top and ADC positions have a higher winrate than his traditional mid-lane role?
his wave-clear is mostly decent in the early game and falls off heavily in the late game(if the game ever gets that far)
I do not know about macro, but unless you can pull off proper poke or crowd control plays, he ends up as an early game champion meant to use his ultimate for a tactical engage and snowball a lane
Somber Rites1 votes
if the pros even speak of using these champions in competitive, they get nerfed despite that twisted fate has the lowest damage output of any mage and is wholly an early game champion and i'm fairly sure anivia gets picked for her zoning and not any other features, so they would have to change that in order to affect her in professional
Don't even get me started on TF. He was the first champ I main'd back when I mostly played mid in season 5.
And then Season 6 happened, and TF stopped being helpful in solo Q because of all the assassin buffs. Oh, I also played Viktor. Then they gutted him.
Maybe everything I touch is destined to die, like King Midas, but like, rotting instead of gold.
Somber Rites1 votes[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nlvAkgTr,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-10T16:29:15.501+0000)
What was their goal or the point of the nerfs anyway...? They said they wanted to make him less powerful in low elo's and more in stronger elo's but honestly nothing was accomplished.
They also buffed his counters in both the same patch, and the patches following even though they smash noobs even harder than Yorick does because they take less time to do it.
Just thought it was worth mentioning.
[slayer-jinx-unamused]
3TWarrior1 votesyorick doesn't even "smash" noobs. He wins by focusing objectives, something that bronze did not have an answer for
Somber Rites1 votesyorick doesn't even "smash" noobs. He wins by focusing objectives, something that bronze did not have an answer for
Yeah, but I'd still consider that a noob smasher, given how well he punishes you for not knowing how to play the game.
Still not something I see as worth gutting his early game ghoul damage for. They could have, (and rightly, should have) reduced the damage his Q does to turrets if they wanted to make him less problematic in bronze. Instead, now he's just useless early when people figure out how to avoid a slow af skillshot.
RyzeTheSmurfMage2 votesTbh Jinx and Twitch aren't any better. They right click only.
Somebody Love Me6 votesI honestly do not mind lucian being meta.
I would take lucian ANY DAY over the likes of kogmaw, tristana, jinx, twitch, etc.
Kaisa on the other hand I would like to see obliterated.
At least Kai'sa can be dealt with early.
If it's a lane where Kai'sa is coming out ahead, then there's no way Lucian wouldn't have snowballed on your ass in the same situation
NuggetMilk3 votesI honestly do not mind lucian being meta.
I would take lucian ANY DAY over the likes of kogmaw, tristana, jinx, twitch, etc.
Kaisa on the other hand I would like to see obliterated.
yo why u hatin on kogmaw. That boi is squishy af and immobile as hell
FOR JUSTICE16 votesnaw man, nami was obviously a problem.
(dont mind my salt, nami getting nerfed was just an oof for me )
Glaricion3 votesnaw man, nami was obviously a problem.
(dont mind my salt, nami getting nerfed was just an oof for me )
Don't get why they went for nerfing her heal in a burst-heavy season instead of reworking Tidecaller's Blessing to function similar to Glacial Augment (cd per-target).
So hoping the patch notes for 8.22/8.23 are essentially a novella.
Jaspers3 votesDon't get why they went for nerfing her heal in a burst-heavy season instead of reworking Tidecaller's Blessing to function similar to Glacial Augment (cd per-target).
She's has the same mana costs, same cooldowns and same damage. This nerf is so assassins can assassin ADCs or her only, nothing to do with other supports being weak.
Yet people think it'll mean she's less powerful in lane. She should be she's an enchanter, that's her job. You want less oppressive, end laning phase when she is entirely team dependent.
3TWarrior1 votesenchanter? all of these crazy names. She has hard crowd control and a powerful engage. If anything, she's an offensive support like brand, not an enchanter
Jaspers2 votesBrand's not even a support he's a midlaner that lost his role.
3TWarrior1 votesif we take that into account, then there are only 
(and pyke is a fringe case because he was a champion made for the role but has none of the traditional methods of a support)
yet even one of the original supports is powerful enough to function as a mage. 8 champions out of 140 that fit the traditional support role
you then have champions like Alistar whose role was to be a tank indiscriminantly or blitzcrank who was intended as a powerful fighter
and then you have all of the mage supports that function because of how well they can work with the carry by denying the opposing laners their chances and serving as a powerful backup carry
Wont0n8 votesi thought this post was about kai'sa's giraffe neck
Chillee2 votesOH MY GOD I CAN'T UNSEE
Hayaishi5 votesLucian just needs a powerswift. Nerf his early increase his late game power.
I'd even be willing to give him 525 range( along with some other buffs) if we nerf his killing power early game
Daddy Ants4 votesLucian just needs a powerswift. Nerf his early increase his late game power.
I'd even be willing to give him 525 range( along with some other buffs) if we nerf his killing power early game
They can't buff Lucian's Attack Range without severely gutting the rest of his kit.
OtterlyLost6 votesHe should remain as an early game champ. If anything, they need to nerf his late. :/ when he's not only beating hyper carries in lane but also scaling just as well because of his BS double shot passive, that is an issue.
Deathfall5 votesOo shocker. Both get a new skin and they are strong. It's nothing new.
Daddy Ants4 votesLucian should not be able to compete with the likes of 
in the late game but right now he can.
Lucian's late game is absurd considering he's borderline broken in the early and mid game.
Hayaishi2 votesLucian should not be able to compete with the likes of
Lucian's late game is absurd considering he's borderline broken in the early and mid game.
Lucian can't even kill tanks. How is his late game absurd?
Daddy Ants8 votesLucian can't even kill tanks. How is his late game absurd?
He can kill tanks.
is a lot of tank busting power.
Granted it's not as good as Vayne's but that's Vayne's niche.
saltran3 votesLucian is worse on lategame than every single adc on your list.
But that lategame isn't enough relevant for soloQ.
Reaganomics3 votesBan them?
Rexxiee8 votesBan them?
Unfortunately i cant ban 2 champions at once, nor i can rely on my team mates to ban them for me.
And since they dont have that high of ban rates (since they're just adcs) it means atleast 1 of them is often going to go through, so you're forced to pick it.
Reaganomics1 votesUnfortunately i cant ban 2 champions at once, nor i can rely on my team mates to ban them for me.
And since they dont have that high of ban rates (since they're just adcs) it means atleast 1 of them is often going to go through, so you're forced to pick it.
When I said "Ban Them" obviously I did mean you could ban both. However that does not mean that you can't make the case to your team mates, it also does not mean you are forced to pick it. Play the ADC you enjoy most, if you find that they aren't up to par try a new one. You aren't forced to pick anything.
Also, while I agree that the Pick rates are absurdly high on the two champs, this isn't super uncommon in the ADC position to my knowledge (that you have 2-3 dominant picks) and the win rates aren't actually that out of line. That being said I do think some nerfs are required, but I'd rather see a light touch than a hammer on these two... or even better don't nerf either and buff other adcs.
SangreDeNoche1 votesBan them?
1+1 =2
Person who makes post names 2 champions that are being abused right now because of riot's intentionally keeping them strong for worldz
GENIUS here on the boards "why don't you ban them"
1 ban is given to each player.
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Reaganomics1 votes1+1 =2
Person who makes post names 2 champions that are being abused right now because of riot's intentionally keeping them strong for worldz
GENIUS here on the boards "why don't you ban them"
1 ban is given to each player.
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You honestly think I meant for the OP to ban them both... by themselves?
You have 5 bans as a team. If you truly believe these two champs are such an issue than ban one and try and get one of your team mates, maybe even a duo, to ban the other. You obviously need to prioritize your bans, so if you think these two are strong enough to warrant it than go for it. That or learn counter play to the champions, maybe try out a new ADC or support to go against them. Simply saying "O it's meta so it's best pick here" is not always the answer but it's sadly the answer most seem to default too.
Also this is nothing new with ADCs, it's really not uncommon to have two champs at that role that are the "Only Viable picks".
Biggest MO3 Fan1 votesBan them?
my dude. i want you to know that , thats a stupid ass statement. I my self have a problem with kaisa , but not only her... the graves 2 shotting me, and the even that non stop ganks. plus as a mid/jg/top. I have to ban those who give a difficult time in those lanes. So kaisa could go unbanned. Do you see why your statement makes as much sense as a rabadon first buy on darius?
