Just because you don't know the counterplay or don't understand the counterplay

Marshbouy·Dec 6, 2016·20 votes·1,636 views

Does not mean it's "no counterplay". An occasionally questionable boards member (kinda) taught me this about proxy singed (can't mention name because my post will be removed). Ask the reddit for answers on how to counter them. Think outside of the box. Build items to defend against them. Reconsider how to approach the entire situation.

Just because you found something frustrating to face in lane does not make it "no counterplay".

46 Comments

iLLpDec 6, 20164 votes

I use to HATE playing against ahri because no matter who i played she would just RRRQ away.

Then I discovered AP malphite, slowly chunking away at her health with Q and using potions to sustain in lane. Then i hit 6 with a full kit combo and watch her die before she can land back to the ground.

I use to HATE playing against leblanc because no matter what that bitch would just hop in and hop out on me.

So i started playing jarvan mid and dunked her ass into the ground.

MerxamersDec 6, 20161 votes

Jarvan mid is the most satisfying thing in the world. Those fragile mages are in for a world of pain >:D

iLLpDec 6, 20163 votes

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Jarvan mid is the most satisfying thing in the world. Those fragile mages are in for a world of pain >:D

yep item 3156 first item and watch as spells ricochet off your chest while you slam your nutsack in a mages mouth.

Masala ChaiDec 7, 20161 votes

The reason why Jarvan IV can beat LeBlanc is because Jarvan IV is LeBlanc, but in disguise!

Shaco my BFFDec 7, 20161 votes

When LB was considered "broken", I was never hit by their W during laning. every time they would walk towards me, I would walk back and they would back off as well. But you know, too hard to do that. Better facetank the QW combo.

EschetonDec 6, 20163 votes

How to counter an explode-your-face burst-mage? Be tanky (mr, health) Be golden (can't be bursted while zonya'd) Be somewhere else (out map pressure her, roam) Be pushy (pressure her turret constantly by proxy like pushed waves banner zz rot) Kill her first (be syndra, press R)

dominusxDec 6, 20162 votes

Annie show me some proactive counterplay outside beeing able to outreact her flash or building 3big mr items

TyrekGoldenspearDec 6, 20163 votes

Well I was able to outtrade one as Azir after buyimg a negatron cloak.

Amd you know how squishy Azir is.

The idea is to get your MR and push her out of lane before she gets her ult.

Most mages can outrange her in any case with at least one ability. So poke.

Handy Sandy Dec 6, 20161 votes

item 3102 item 3140 and item 3157 might work because her Q kinda slow for a projectile.

RalanrDec 6, 20163 votes

Building MR is an option that you seem to put beneath your notice.

Supreme Senpai69Dec 6, 20162 votes

I mean. React her flash. It really isn't hard considering everything about her identity is telegraphed. Build some MR/HP. Outrange her. CC and burst her, she is squishy.

dominusxDec 6, 20161 votes

squishy? item 3027 item 3116 item 3152 ? add scaling hp runes that everyone takes on mages. that's not squishy.

RalanrDec 6, 20164 votes

People take scaling HP on mages? Didn't know that was common.

WoonStruckDec 6, 20161 votes

What else would you take? Let's be real here.

Armor, flat or scaling, offers less EHP lvl 6-18.

Every other yellow is pretty trash.

dominusxDec 6, 20161 votes

so you ignore the other 2 items and get held up only on the hp runes right? like u aint already tanky as fuck with these 3 and your E and probably zhonya.

RalanrDec 6, 20163 votes

I see those items built often but with the large amount of %health damage in the game it doesn't bother me since mages don't build much resistance at all.

Troll for TrumpDec 6, 20161 votes

They do, except against an assassin matchup like Talon.

LimrickDec 7, 20161 votes

Always my dude, helps you not instantly die in the later game.

TheHappyReaperzDec 6, 20161 votes

Why would you take scaling hp on mages?

Supreme Senpai69Dec 7, 20161 votes

She's building zero armor and zero MR. She's squishy. HP without resistances means diddly squat. Like yea it's better than no HP but she's gonna die quickly either way

Maximum MordeDec 6, 20164 votes

Try calling child protective services. I mean, it has to be against some law to use children to fight for our amusement right?

dominusxDec 6, 20161 votes

stop while you can!

SckullzzDec 6, 20162 votes

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show me some proactive counterplay outside beeing able to outreact her flash or building 3big mr items

Watch her ammo bar for her stun. If you Annie only has one or two ammo blocks, then you are safe to do a short trade with her. If you see she has none, you can do a long trade. If you see she has 3 or 4, then gtfo until she wastes the stun.

Also, be mindful and observant of her damage. I always assume mages have a fuilly loaded Merciless mastery in the cunning tree (5% damage increase to targets below 40% health). This helps me play safer when I don't have the health for a trade, and helps me tell if I have the damage for it too.

Or, if you play a mean Fizz, bait her out so she misses her ult. It's hard to do, but soooo rewarding because it's awesome to pull off, and you can feel the salt lol.

WoonStruckDec 6, 20161 votes

Her ult animation is extremely obvious, and has a .25 second delay after initial cast. EZ Zhonya's/pool/pole/rappel/riposte, etc every time.

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20162 votes

Annie has low range, so if she runs in, be prepared for the flash. Also, item 3001

Troll for TrumpDec 6, 20162 votes

Because certain things can either make the "supposed counterplay" irrelevant (Like when you have an ability that's supposed to be dodged for counterplay, Rylai's removes that counterplay).

Or the champ(Yasuo) is so overloaded that he can just outmaneuver their checks/balances.

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20162 votes

Overloaded kits like Yasuo and Ekko can be outlaned by sustain champions such as Aatrox and Swain (my go to picks when facing either)

Troll for TrumpDec 7, 20161 votes

Then they outtrade you, have better lane prescence, generally have better teamfight, and better than lategame zombies.

Aatrox especially, and Swain, too, although to a lesser degree.

Thing is the overloaded champs won't get nerfed immediately after they hit their prime. Some may argue that's a personal bias, but Yas has been strong for a long time, and looks to be the Lee Sin of mid and Riven of Top(sharing Mid with Zed). Tank Ekko was well and alive for much longer than Swain's window in the MYMU.

While Yas and Ekko tend to be all around solid pick, Aatrox and Swain are extremely niche, especially the former

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20162 votes

I try to explain this to all my friends. I know how to counter Zed, he is just unfun to play against, so I ban him. The best counterplay is banning B)

Darkslayer85Dec 6, 20161 votes

The unseen ban is the deadliest.

Darkslayer85Dec 6, 20162 votes

Yasuo

IcyPepperDec 7, 20162 votes

He doesn't lack counterplay, but he sure could use more tbh.

deadlychuckDec 6, 20161 votes

That said, some champion match ups, just don't have counter play.

Some champions are just far too overloaded and more powerful than others to preform any type of counter play, even if you know what it might be. That's not to say the powerful champion in this matchup can't lose, but rather that it's on them to make a massive mistake, not on the weaker champion to counter play them.

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20161 votes

I've outplayed Ekko as Bard before when Bard was weak and before the Ekko nerfs.

deadlychuckDec 6, 20161 votes

congratulations?

Anecdotes make the best of counter arguments.

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20161 votes

Ult Ekko's ult = counterplay B)

deadlychuckDec 6, 20161 votes

Awe, yes. You aimed a skillshot at where he was going to be. [zombie-brand-clap]

Chembaron YamadaDec 7, 20162 votes

And that means he outplayed him, exactly. Ekko's ult is highly telegraphed with his clone, if you keep paying attention to it, you can abuse it. Like exactly that: aiming your skill shots at the place Ekko is going to be after ulting. You land free CC on him, which means he is basically dead.

WoonStruckDec 6, 20161 votes

Literally just pick Vlad and AFK farm to scale into a god. That's my answer.

After Rylai's you can even include Singed in that AFK farm.

ZelorxonDec 6, 20161 votes

NO COUNTERPLAY, 100%

...am i dummy?

Legit or not?

warpenguin555Dec 6, 20161 votes

What is the counter to proxy singed?

DepressedAhriDec 6, 20161 votes

proxy Rammus

MarshbouyDec 6, 20161 votes

it's very complicated. Personally i don't think that it is enough but it's a conglomerate of a bunch of small stuff.

Rıots Bad ClientDec 7, 20161 votes

I have a proxy singed account.

I found 1 strat that seemed to worked pretty decently against it.(its not the best, but its decent)

Roam Let your first tower fall(This could allow first blood tower fall to creeps (this will make the tower look less nice for the enemy jung. A slight less pressure on the bot side. Second you could make plays by counter ganking for mid, or just fucking up the jung or just ganking mid.

(Obviously you don't want to roam to often because you wont be able to catch up the Gold and Exp.)

AHeroNamedHawkeDec 7, 20161 votes

Proxy Singed had literally no counterplay dude

Even killing him wasn't the correct counterplay. They had to change how death streaks affect gold bounties based on 1 champion, because actually managing to chase Singed down and stop his pushing wasn't worth the gold and experience you lost from farm

The only thing you could do was dive the enemy team under tower with no minions to cover for you, and continue doing this until you're diving the nexus