Does anybody else get frustrated by xin? Or is it just me?

Succubús GF·Feb 13, 2017·2 votes·674 views

His kit feels very overtuned, despite how simple it is. It becomes kind of annoying that he builds and and then proceeds to one shot anything in sight. To be more specific, every third attack, reduces his cooldowns, meaning more uses of that annoying gap closer, he also gets to freely knock up every third strike, AND heals for every third hit. Idk, to me this feels a little loaded, like maybe take off the free cdr, this is just my opinion and I'm looking for other's opinions as well other than "LUL Git gud"

14 Comments

dakota saturnFeb 13, 20172 votes

Well it's pretty much all he can do. He doesn't offer a whole lot outside of this - he's not really a tank, doesn't have a lot of utility outside of the knockup, and falls off hard if he doesn't get fed.

He also has to hit 3 times to do it, meaning ample time to dash/flash away, knock him back, just kill him, etc etc.

Succubús GFFeb 13, 20171 votes

He can easily benefit from item 3065 and item 3742 which gives him quite a bit of stats, and sometimes even item 3143 , there are very few champions who can knock someone back for starters, there aren't a whole lot of dash champions, and flash is on a 300 second cd. while his gap closer is on 12, in which it lowers per his autos. Which is amplified because he builds as.

Rustling BushFeb 13, 20171 votes

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He can easily benefit from and which gives him quite a bit of stats, and sometimes even , there are very few champions who can knock someone back for starters, there aren't a whole lot of dash champions, and flash is on a 300 second cd. while his gap closer is on 12, in which it lowers per his autos. Which is amplified because he builds as.

almost every champion in the game has some form of self peel be it hard cc/dashing/knocking back, if your self peel is spent and he comes in on you with his low range e then its only fair that he should do heavy damage to you. ward well and you will see him coming from a mile away.

Zane ZephyrFeb 13, 20171 votes

His cooldowns only get reduced by 3 seconds when his Q is active and he AAs three times. That's it.

SincarnationFeb 13, 20172 votes

lol xin is in a pretty bad spot atm tbh he got hit with nerfs when rageblade was OP as fuck then they nerfed/changed rageblade but left him pretty hurt

Xin's problem is that he is binary, here are xin's options in a fight

Auto-Attack Dive a target
Potentially knock away a few targets

If he cant do either of those he literally does nothing for his team, so he has to be able to do them moderately well.

Succubús GFFeb 13, 20171 votes

I guess I can see that being true. Binary is like simple right? Like annie would be considered binary? item 1419 I think this is what makes him aggravate me because red smite is very pesky and mixed with red buff makes it really hard to get away from and therefore I have to duel him, and of course ill lose.

SincarnationFeb 14, 20171 votes

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I guess I can see that being true. Binary is like simple right? Like annie would be considered binary? I think this is what makes him aggravate me because red smite is very pesky and mixed with red buff makes it really hard to get away from and therefore I have to duel him, and of course ill lose.

Binary = Simple = Straightforward Annie does two things so she is fairly simple/binary/straighforward

Burst Damage
Stun

Nami - Complex Camille - Complex Yasuo - Complex

Not saying champions like xin and annie are braindead, but they have a lot less to worry about that the most loaded kits. Unfortunately many older champs have the same problem

Commander JavikFeb 14, 20172 votes

He's that kind of champion who has to get fed early to do something . If he doesn't , he'll just splitpush and this is where you shut him down forever . If you jump on him with a team mate .

Also , it gets even more stupid when he reaches 40% cdr . His Q has a 8 or 7s CD and gets reduced with every Q so it basically becomes 3s cd . FOR ALL OF HIS ABILITIES .

I know what I'm talking about . He was the 1st champ that i mained for a long time .

Succubús GFFeb 14, 20171 votes

Yeah I'm aware, cdr in his kit mixed with cdr outside is not very enjoyable. It is reminding me of cass' old passive x.x

Zane ZephyrFeb 13, 20171 votes

It's not that he's overtuned, he just kind of suffers from the same thing that irelia does in being a walking stat stick.

SanctimoniousFeb 13, 20171 votes

He's one dimensional, and spikes after two expensive items. He's very feast or famine. He's really weak in my elo, bud maybe he is okayish in yours.

420 gramsFeb 14, 20171 votes

His q is the knock up, his heal is w passive.

PermabannedGarenFeb 14, 20171 votes

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His kit feels very overtuned, despite how simple it is. It becomes kind of annoying that he builds and and then proceeds to one shot anything in sight. To be more specific, every third attack, reduces his cooldowns, meaning more uses of that annoying gap closer, he also gets to freely knock up every third strike, AND heals for every third hit. Idk, to me this feels a little loaded, like maybe take off the free cdr, this is just my opinion and I'm looking for other's opinions as well other than "LUL Git gud"

A Xin that rushes those two items will be very easy to lock down and kill in fights.

It is most effective to rush bloodrazor, then build some tank items before you build your next damage item (typically triforce, yeah).

He's also really weak early game. Late game he's pretty powerful, but games don't last so long these days, and a jungler that can't snowball the game has no place in the current jungle.

xxxDogmanxxxFeb 14, 20171 votes

Xin's pretty mediocre at most actually. He has like a 49-50% win rate, which for such a simple champion means that he's definitely outclassed by other champions. I can make anybody sound OP with the way you described him.

Aatrox - he gains 115% attack speed for free AND gets an entire extra life whenever he dies! He has an AoE knock-up AND an AoE 40% slow that does 250+60% bonus AD and 215+60% bonus AD+60% AP damage to everybody he hits! He heals for every auto-attack, and that healing is even TRIPLED at 50% health, and when he toggles his W, he can have TWO HUNDRED + 100% bonus AD on-hit damage per hit!