Seriously. Why does one of the easiest champs in the game deserve to do % max HP true damage for literally right-clicking on you and AFKing?
Braindead kit that is ENTIRELY targeted.
Incredible mobility, self-peel, CC.
Invisibility during ult.
Long range (average for an ADC)
Not exceedingly squishy relative to ADCs.
... What exactly merits her basically stacking AS and melting fucking everything, making armor and HP irrelevant?
awdaf10 votesLong range and not squishy? I want what you're smoking immediately.
Ralanr1 votesYeah, I don't know where he got those.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesYeah, I don't know where he got those.
sounds like simple inexperience to me
Snowball4u1 votesI think he posted on wrong forums. Its probably a character in another game named vayne with similar characteristics, just azir's range and a rammus' defenses.
Niyumi1 votesRelative to other ADCs, sure, she has average to short range, but most of the champ pool isn't made up of ADCs, so she has long range compared to them.
And she's not any squishier than other ADCs.
Rustling Bush8 votes"easiest champion in the game"
this guy has never played vayne before
ElysMustache1 votesTo be fair, he has played Vayne, and has a good win/loss record with her.
If it was me, I would spam that champ that I thought was a free win and get me some Elo.
Not cry on the boards.
MrPharmD5 votesAnother obvious troll I have to blacklist.
CerealBoxOfDoom3 votesSeriously. Why does one of the easiest champs in the game deserve to do % max HP true damage for literally right-clicking on you and AFKing?
Braindead kit that is ENTIRELY targeted.
Incredible mobility, self-peel, CC.
Invisibility during ult.
Long range (average for an ADC)
Not exceedingly squishy relative to ADCs.
... What exactly merits her basically stacking AS and melting fucking everything, making armor and HP irrelevant?
against a competent builder she ignores 25% of your defensive items IF she commits to focusing you. That's essentially what it is after the math is done.
vaynes mobility is not incredible her cc is unimpressive her range is actually not that good compared to the average adc, all her spells have little reach compared to them she's about as squishy and has no defensive steroids
Again, she effecitively reduces your defensive stats by 25% while committing to killing you. That's all unless you aren't actually counterbuilding her. Its a bit more then. But she never makes it worthless.
Niyumi1 votesvaynes mobility is not incredible
She can dash (not over walls) every what, 3 seconds? I'd call that kind of incredible.
her cc is unimpressive
She can stun you for a good 2 seconds, or just entirely disengage from you with the same spell.
her range is actually not that good compared to the average adc, all her spells have little reach compared to them
Relative to other ADCs, no, her range is kind of average to short -- but the majority of the roster isn't an ADC, and she vastly out-ranges them.
she's about as squishy and has no defensive steroids
Well, there's this thing called lifesteal that makes every ADC into Swain v. 2, and makes them very, very hard to kill unless you have a lot of CC or a team effort.
Again, she effecitively reduces your defensive stats by 25% while committing to killing you. That's all unless you aren't actually counterbuilding her. Its a bit more then. But she never makes it worthless.
300 armor, Randuin's and 3.2k HP as Trundle. Instantly die (~3 seconds), despite her having BORK, Guinsoo's and a bunch of AS.
CerealBoxOfDoom2 votesShe can dash (not over walls) every what, 3 seconds? I'd call that kind of incredible.
she can dash every 3 seconds + autoattack
She essentially has to stop moving after the dash to get it lower than every 6-9 seconds. That's terrible.
She can stun you for a good 2 seconds, or just entirely disengage from you with the same spell.
the range is 550 and she can only stun you against walls and then can't follow up if she has no vision after merely pushing you away. This is nothing special. At least she cant hold you in place like jinx or ashe while they continue blowing you up
Relative to other ADCs, no, her range is kind of average to short -- but the majority of the roster isn't an ADC, and she vastly out-ranges them.
The majority of the rostor can reach her from 550 range and can stick to her well enough that her low range mobility on a terrible cooldown, unless she's attacking inbetween which slows her down, that this short range is a huge burden especially in teamfights.
Well, there's this thing called lifesteal that makes every ADC into Swain v. 2, and makes them very, very hard to kill unless you have a lot of CC or a team effort.
It doesn't take a lot of cc and her attacker can also build sustain and probably already has some or CC built in for killing adcs if they are going after vayne.
300 armor, Randuin's and 3.2k HP as Trundle. Instantly die (~3 seconds), despite her having BORK, Guinsoo's and a bunch of AS.
3 seconds is nothing special 3 seconds for nonstop offense to kill anyone is actually very normal and average. Akali takes about 3 seconds to kill anyone.
And again vayne reduces the effectiveness of your defense by about 25%
You were effectively Trundle with 225 armor and about 2400 hp. But she does nothing to your offense or sustain.
gives vayne magic damage onhit and increases the rate at which she penetrates defense by something like 30% but then she loses a ton of flat damage. Its just a penetration item for her with a lot of wasted stats.
why did you build 300 armor against this? Why haven't you mentioned your own sustain or MR? The reason is probably because you, blinded by your frustration, didn't notice that you got outplayed.
GaleWinUnleashed2 votesVayne is also the only marksman in the entire game that is completely unable to affect anything that is outside her attack range. It leaves her with next to no fallback pattern if she falls behind.
blfUvZ8Ybu1 votesVayne's kit is brandead kit.I agree.
SaltyKracka1 votesIt makes her target-agnostic, and means she generally feels better than the other ADCs if she's forced to target tanks or other beefy peeps in a teamfight, as opposed to squishies.
Dehitay1 votesWhile most of the OP's addition points make his original point seem dumb by association, I have to agree that percent max hp true damage should not be as easy to proc as it is for Vayne and Fiora. Vel'Koz has a decent requirement for hitting it, but on those two, it's just way too easy for how powerful HP% true damage is. They should be doing magic or phyiscal damage or non percentage.
Falje Lazuli1 votesThere's a cool pinned post in this forum that addresses issues like these. I suggest you check it out
