Why isn't the design team being held responsible for this game's state?

D357R0Y3R·Jun 25, 2019·101 votes·21,286 views

literally almost all champions released/reworked since 2017 are huge problems that requiered so much ressources to be fixed obviously but also those champions just can't stop being in the patch notes with endless nerfs/buffs, or endless attempts of powershifting that just end up solving nothings.

Kayle is dogshit, "mini-rework is planned" yea sure, go mini rework a champ that you just spent a whole year creating a new kit, and waste ressource because your vgu was garbage and didn't change anything while also making her even more unfun to play. Galio has 43% win rate and 1% pick rate right now, and will get buffed then again being a problem Sylas is the new cancer, overloaded af and unfun to play against Ornn is straight up unplayable, but do you really want Ornn to be buffed? no, hell no. even Mordekaiser has 70% ban rate right now, almost as akali when her rework was out, and that even after his hotfix. And now we have Yuumi with 100% pick/ban rate in pro play since her release, with pro players PERSONALLY asking to nerf her.

so why, why are they allowed to release overloaded champions and get away with literally zero consequences?

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preternaturalJun 25, 201940 votes

they're allowed to do that because ekko, azir and yasuo exist. but gypsylord got moved around for TFT so we've had certainlyT leading the way for what is considered balanced and fair gameplay, he gave us zoe so he must clearly be ahead of the curve like he still is with yasuo, while generally all of gypsy's champs have been tamed or people don't feel jibbed for losing to them.

D357R0Y3RJun 25, 201910 votes

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they're allowed to do that because ekko, azir and yasuo exist.

azir aside, ekko and yasuo are not even on the level of the champions listed above Yasuo is hated for many reasons like his wall but he doesn't break high elo play or pro play If you're competent against Yasuo you have all the chances to win against him as against any champions

It's not like facing fucking Sylas (when Sylas is not gutted) galio or Irelia

Mordekaiser might be counterable so he might not be bad, tho he has 70% ban rate right now.

preternaturalJun 26, 20194 votes

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azir aside, ekko and yasuo are not even on the level of the champions listed above Yasuo is hated for many reasons like his wall but he doesn't break high elo play or pro play If you're competent against Yasuo you have all the chances to win against him as against any champions

It's not like facing fucking Sylas (when Sylas is not gutted) galio or Irelia

Mordekaiser might be counterable so he might not be bad, tho he has 70% ban rate right now.

i said they only release these champions because of those that already exist and have forced a new balance dynamic in the game (but this latter bit was unsaid). when azir hit's live servers and there is no going back on him anymore suddenly the champions that came before him have to be re-evaluated, as do those coming after him. the thing about azir was that he so outclassed all the other champions that he's had to be nerfed into obscurity until the game is frankly ready for him, his kit is not outdated or unhealthy, his kit is just too far ahead of it's time. this isn't the case for ekko and yas though as they're in some type of sweet spot rito want to hit, so those two champions are serving as the new balance standard for lol due to them having been able to matchup to azir in his pomp. and from my observations all champions henceforth have been designed with the ekko/yas yardstick in mind, especially after those crazy LPL ekko vs yas plays that litter the seasons.

Abibyama IIJun 25, 201933 votes

Because it's easier to blame the balance team who does everything from making coffee to design to bug fixes

I feel like Kayle is a numbers issue just nerf her late game which doesn't exist and buff her early and mid game. There the rework is better. Meanwhile everyone else had their shit removed to be tolerable

But yeah, the guys at champion design gets away with their shit far too many times, and somehow the only thing that this community can think of is "BALANCE TEAM BAD, CERTAINLYT BAD"

Akali is SO HOTJun 26, 201915 votes

From what I can tell that a lot of the Kayle players are saying is that her kit just sucks and is boring to play. You basically just play like a pansy for 20 minutes and then become overpowered for like 5 minutes before the game ends.

Abibyama IIJun 26, 20195 votes

From what I've read, her kit is good (read: not removed and replaced by another, because it's basically the same playstyle) it's just her extreme power curve that makes her unfun to play, I don't see any real issues with the mechanic of her kits.

Just a simple number changes would be enough to make her feel like an actual champion

I could be wrong though

AirKingNeoJun 26, 20192 votes

Her kit is not the same playstyle. I would rather have the old E than the new Klepto abuse E.

Abibyama IIJun 26, 20192 votes

Yeah not exactly the same but I don't see any difference to her fundemental auto attack based play style.

I don't think she's much of a failure unlike Galio and others, Her kit is very fixable imo.

preternaturalJun 25, 201925 votes

OH OF COURSE certainlyT was involved with making the reworked akali OF fucking course iunno how i just learned this, the glove damn well fits. certainlyT so far ahead of the curve i couldn't even see him.

Dorans PantsJun 26, 201925 votes

champ is unpopular.

rework team: "let´s make him broken then unplayable!"

champ continues to be unpopular.

bronze smurf69Jun 26, 201923 votes

A fuckin cockroach can design better champions than those clueless idiots.

When there is no Rioter with the balls to say "No that's a bad idea don't add it" (hint hint, morello) with no concern of breaking their feelings, then these champions wouldn't be much fair and simply be toxic.

But apparently saying "no" to a designer is against the rules at riot games.

Riot's golden rule: everybody is a sensitive wimp, so critics aren't allowed!

GlaricionJun 26, 20192 votes

I'm really worried about Morello's project. CertainlyT is a great singe player champion designer who is a scourge to us because he's working on a multiplayer game. What if Morello turns out to be the opposite?

(assuming he is working on a singleplayer game, not entrusting my time to Riot for another multiplayer experience after the XXXXshow that's modern League)

bronze smurf69Jun 26, 20198 votes

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I'm really worried about Morello's project. CertainlyT is a great singe player champion designer who is a scourge to us because he's working on a multiplayer game. What if Morello turns out to be the opposite?

(assuming he is working on a singleplayer game, not entrusting my time to Riot for another multiplayer experience after the XXXXshow that's modern League)

Many agree that CT is great for a single game, but honestly I don't give a shit. The best he should do is sorting out mails. Shit salary, sure but he deserves it.

His view on frustration is very toxic. He thinks frustration is good or some shit, all in all trying to make an excuse for his shit designs in an interview on YouTube. Even the comments section aren't happy about what he said.

Anyway, at least Morello has the balls to not allow stupid shit to pass through. Nobody knows where he's working at.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 26, 20195 votes

I mean he said himself he is trying to break the game with every champ he releases.

I should just be fired. Simple. He doesn't want to make a fun and unique champion or make the game better he just wants to have a record on his portfolio "very creative"

bronze smurf69Jun 26, 20196 votes

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I mean he said himself he is trying to break the game with every champ he releases.

I should just be fired. Simple. He doesn't want to make a fun and unique champion or make the game better he just wants to have a record on his portfolio "very creative"

"I should just be fired." I mean I get what you're trying to say but...lol XD

If someone doesn't get what a PvP game is, and thinks frustration is good cuz it forces the player to learn how to play against, which is not even the damn case. Overloading a champ with un-necessary stuff that can make them deal with even their own counters is just unfair. Look at WarWick. He's a success, not overloaded, and not even a balance nightmare and that's solely due to ct NOT working alone.

I'll be happy to apply as a champ designer and hold the guy at bay when it comes to champ design. I'll be enjoying roasting him to oblivion. I'm gonna go full Gordon Ramsay on him.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 26, 20192 votes

Welp, little whoopsie on my part i guess lol.

Exactly that is the problem. Just slapping shit onto it for the sake of it. There is nothing unique or creative about it. I can give jax Q a slow, his E a knockup, his R an additional heal on his third hit. His W also heals on last hits. Is that unique? Is that creative? Or even necessary? And that's basically my biggest gripe with his champ designs, also the infamous "here is the counterplay but lemme design his kit to cover that supposed weakness/counterplay".

Pretty much yeah. Apparently noone has the balls at riot to stop these designers tho. I mean look at kayn, DZK has been bitching that kayn wasnt played in the role HE DESIGNED HIM to be and riot instead of trying to balance him around the way people play him they force nerf him into jungle because the designer wants it.

bronze smurf69Jun 26, 20191 votes

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Welp, little whoopsie on my part i guess lol.

Exactly that is the problem. Just slapping shit onto it for the sake of it. There is nothing unique or creative about it. I can give jax Q a slow, his E a knockup, his R an additional heal on his third hit. His W also heals on last hits. Is that unique? Is that creative? Or even necessary? And that's basically my biggest gripe with his champ designs, also the infamous "here is the counterplay but lemme design his kit to cover that supposed weakness/counterplay".

Pretty much yeah. Apparently noone has the balls at riot to stop these designers tho. I mean look at kayn, DZK has been bitching that kayn wasnt played in the role HE DESIGNED HIM to be and riot instead of trying to balance him around the way people play him they force nerf him into jungle because the designer wants it.

I honestly can't blame him for bitching about Kayn being played outside the sole role he's designed to. The thing about diversity is that it's a double edged sword, it can be fine at times but in other times it's unhealthy and toxic.

Kayn for example, will force only 1 form since he's playing 1 lane only, and IIRC, red Kayn is more op than blue (even though it's anti-tank, cool balancing btw), and top lane is mostly played by melees.

Anyway... Is that infamous line even a thing btw? Is it even widely known to be a certainlyt mindset as a meme or something?

GayFluffyUnicornJun 27, 20192 votes

I mean look at irelia. "Dodge her E, nvm threw her ult into your face guaranteeing an E hit without flash". Well just don't fight her with five stacks up, doesn't matter proceeds to oneshot you with triple Q reset anyways.

Then look at a certaintyt champ like zoe. Well dodge her bubble-->literally throws it across the rift Dodge her bubble duh-->proceeds to R into your face with no possibility to dodge or counterplay because even CC'd her R brings her back to safety.

W w well she's immobile... gets 80% movespeed boost for 8 seconds on top of summs and item actives.

Another certainlyt champ being akali and i mean akali. By far the most broken champ i'd say ever. Darius didn't really have had any counterplay which got fixed with his mini reworks. Thresh? Dodge his hook, ah nvm flay ulted you anyways. Well, atleast you can...nvm threw his lantern. But atleast he has long cool....Q gets CDR reset on hit.

Certanlyt really started a trend among those designers. DZK for example speaks incredibly highly of him and no i don't think kayn was inherently toxic as a laner? What exactly is the problem that rhaast would be used toplane? So be it and one lane only is not true, kayn was played mid as shadow assassin too even in the LCS by caps for example.

Rhaast being an overpowered champion has nothing to do with where he is played. Rhaast is OP in the jungle too.

3TWarriorJun 26, 20195 votes

well actually, "fun and unique" are part of his designs, but "easy to balance and fun to play against" are not

no one will deny that it's fun to play yasuo or zoe...just like most people will not deny that it feels absolutely HORRID to play against them unless you already have an advantage...

Like yasuo...his kit counters every kit that relies on projectiles and skill-shots...the ones that do not rely on that were basically just excluded by default...and that's less than half of matchups he faces

GayFluffyUnicornJun 26, 20192 votes

I mean it's kinda in the nature of things that it's fun to play something that barely has any counterplay and makes you feel very powerful tho that's not really a big achievement imo.

A lot of champions are insanely fun to play but never got the chance to shine in the spotlight like fuckin aatrox that riot accused of "noone wants to play him" but the moment he got somewhat playable everyone just spammed the shit out of him before his rework. Ofc noone plays them if they are dogshit power wise.

Yes yasuo is fun i play him myself a lot but even playing champs that are supposed to be good into him he is just a headache to play against and i never really have any trouble to play against him. I just wish riot would maybe test champions when they are in development phase and there were a guy that said "nope can't do that, noone will want to play against that shit".

Akali is SO HOTJun 26, 20195 votes

Morello wasn't on the design team so the champs would still get through. He would just make them all unplayable more quickly

BeatinWarDrumzJun 26, 20192 votes

Riot is one of the most successful gaming companies in the world. If their game is ACTUALLY bad, people shouldn't be playing it. People just have infinitely high standards.

bronze smurf69Jun 26, 20194 votes

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Riot is one of the most successful gaming companies in the world. If their game is ACTUALLY bad, people shouldn't be playing it. People just have infinitely high standards.

"THEY'RE TRASH! FIX THE GAME! IT SUCKS PLAYING THIS SHIT, AND I'M FUCKIN ADDICTED, SO I CAN'T QUIT!" -Tyler1

Yeah well, back in season 4 to maybe mid season 5, the game was a lot healthier with much less problems. The only shit designed champion at that time was pretty much Yasuo.

BeatinWarDrumzJun 26, 20191 votes

Seasons 4 and 5 had some of the worst metas in the game. Season 4 was the assassin meta with Kassadin, Khazix, and Lee Sin OP for much of the season. Season 5 was possibly the most unbalanced meta, with tanks going smite top just to get cinderhulk because it made all health scaling champions op as hell. Season 5 also had runeglaive ezreal mid, ahri mid op for the whole season, etc. etc.

bronze smurf69Jun 26, 20193 votes

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Seasons 4 and 5 had some of the worst metas in the game. Season 4 was the assassin meta with Kassadin, Khazix, and Lee Sin OP for much of the season. Season 5 was possibly the most unbalanced meta, with tanks going smite top just to get cinderhulk because it made all health scaling champions op as hell. Season 5 also had runeglaive ezreal mid, ahri mid op for the whole season, etc. etc.

Season 4 wasn't assassin 24/7 And lethality didn't even exist yet, and guardian angel was available to build as a mage rather than just Zhonya. Tank meta started mid season 5 btw. That season still haunts me. Hell, I even went Tank Vel'Koz and went 1v5. Got flamed by the enemy to oblivion. Shows how toxic the meta was.

Josh SandJun 26, 20195 votes

Riot benefits from having no serious competition, so of course people are going to play it. LoL is basically the only game in town, unless you want to play DOTA.

If there were other comparable MOBAs on the market, Riot would actually have to pay more attention to their customers, but for now, they can get away with doing whatever they want.

Like players will complain for months about a busted ass champion, like Riven was earlier this season. And Riot will say all day that Riven was totally in line, or that it was "regional perception," or whatever.

And then when they finally nerf her, they dont even have the class to admit honestly that the community was right in the first place. And that it was some new metric that finally pushed her over the edge.

The worst offenses of this kind were the ardent censer meta, which lasted way too long, and this burst meta we are in, which is going on what, almost a year now?

So yea they can tell us all to eat shit, but what other moba would we actually switch to? The situation SUCKS.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 26, 20193 votes

I mean people do stop playing it? EUW used to have 5 million ranked players. Now it barely scratches the 2 million mark.

NA server is basically dead compared to what it used to be.

Only asia is holding league up. Which is pretty fuckin obvious looking at their events, skins and balance decisions.

AirKingNeoJun 25, 201922 votes

I'm a Kayle main, and I think the rework is total shit. Her build got fucked up because they gave her attack speed. Her playstyle has degenerated to Klepto abuse. Her unique laning got removed by removing her old E. Her healing is fucking shit now because it isn't single target anymore.

Please fix my champion.

IainG10Jun 26, 20192 votes

Don't forget they changed the way her Ranged-Mode works so that Yas's Windwall can stop it.

Old Kayle used to be my go-to Yas killer....

Tomoe GozenJun 26, 20194 votes

Kayle's "unique" laning was never unique at all. You already have Nidalee, Elise, Jayce and Gnar who can change between melee/range forms. Kayle just had an ability to do that and she was mostly useless unless it was active. Her melee form did not get any benefits which meant you still had to not engage or even get close to minions if the enemy could have easily retaliated.

That being said, Riot could buff Kayle in terms of specific target healing. The one who she target heals gets the full benefit of her previous healing value while the secondary target gets this heal value, since the ability's flat CD and mana cost per level remained the same. This preserves her solo lane sustain while also buffing her supporting capability (i actually on occasion do play support Kayle).

Old Kayle also had a degenerating playstyle. You only needed to hit level 6 + Guinsoo's + Lethal Tempo to get yourself going on a warpath. Old Kayle had her charms and for being unchanged for a long period of years, people have simply gotten used to her bad kit and played around it. She wasn't fun in any sense of the word, she was niche and she still had the big strength of taking only 1-3 seconds in dropping her targets if they had no hard CC to stop her.

But i agree that the current Kayle also has a big drawback of needing too long to come online (level 11+). Without her range, she has retained her major weakness and can't even remain long in a fight to fight back besides using her abilities, not ranged attacks. Riot should definitely leave short windows of her melee form like she previously had and smooth out her power curve. I also don't think it's pretty fun just getting all the passive bonuses from her kit + items and auto-ing people to death in 1-3 seconds flat in the late game.

I'm fine with her ultimate. I don't think that her invulnerability spell that can could've only be stopped by hard CC (previously) without disabling her AAs, had any merit in being her "i cannot lose" button. I think this iteration (with an actual AP ratio), is way better than her pure utility one before.

AirKingNeoJun 26, 20196 votes

Kayle's "unique" laning was never unique at all. You already have Nidalee, Elise, Jayce and Gnar who can change between melee/range forms. Kayle just had an ability to do that and she was mostly useless unless it was active. Her melee form did not get any benefits which meant you still had to not engage or even get close to minions if the enemy could have easily retaliated.

Nidalee and Elise don't lane, so the comparison is stupid. They're also mages, which play completely differently from Kayle's auto attack heavy style. Jayce can choose between being ranged and melee rather than being ranged for a duration. Jayce is also an ad caster (basically a mage), which plays completely differently from Kayle. Gnar is permanently ranged with his passive transforming him into a melee champion, with more CC and health. Again, Gnar plays completely differently than Kayle. Her melee 'form' isn't supposed to have benefits. It's a drawback.

That being said, Riot could buff Kayle in terms of specific target healing. The one who she target heals gets the full benefit of her previous healing value while the secondary target gets this heal value, since the ability's flat CD and mana cost per level remained the same. This preserves her solo lane sustain while also buffing her supporting capability (i actually on occasion do play support Kayle).

Kayle hasn't been viable support in over 6 seasons. Her heal shouldn't have a second target because that basically removes the choice aspect between healing yourself or others. You'd always get both.

Old Kayle also had a degenerating playstyle. You only needed to hit level 6 + Guinsoo's + Lethal Tempo to get yourself going on a warpath. Old Kayle had her charms and for being unchanged for a long period of years, people have simply gotten used to her bad kit and played around it. She wasn't fun in any sense of the word, she was niche and she still had the big strength of taking only 1-3 seconds in dropping her targets if they had no hard CC to stop her.

Kayle would need to buy Berserker boots and Nashor's before getting Rageblade, which is 4200 gold on top of Rageblade's cost. She'd be well past level 6 at that point. Most Kayles did not take Lethal Tempo. This isn't even broken levels of power either, plus trying to argue if it did or not would ignore the fact laning phase does in fact exist. Kayle is best at 4 items, not 2.

You also didn't really explain how her playstyle was degenerate. You stated your opinions that she had a bad kit, wasn't fun, was niche. The only thing you said was that she can melt targets if no one CCs her, which is a statement that applies to every ranged auto attacker.

JamareeJun 25, 201922 votes

Because for everyone person who speaks up about the state there are people who like the state who don’t speak.

Edit: In fact, let me prove my point. Everyone who sees my post and wants to downvote and/or downvoted, do me a favor, think about what season you thought was balanced and fair and you enjoyed the most.

Now, go back in your post history and show me the exact post you made stating that the balance was good, or you were happy with it and it had no flaws, I bet say like 90% of you didn’t make one did you? Now look around the same time as that post and see all the post complaining about the balance and stating that it is the worst or shit compared to X season or whatever. Tell me which one you find more of.

LatetotheRaceJun 26, 20197 votes

Which is why the playerbase keeps getting smaller I guess :/

JamareeJun 26, 20193 votes

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Which is why the playerbase keeps getting smaller I guess :/

I mean if you want to ignore other factors or act like Twitch numbers alone are showcase of a smaller playerbase, sure.

ΓΤΧΜ Jun 26, 20199 votes

You are deluded as fuck. The game is unplayable even for high elos nowadays. THE ACTIVE PLAYING playerbase is surely dwarfed cause nobody enjoys getting oneshotted because the enemy has one item.

All you redita..s are using numbers and numbers has it ever occured to you that people only WATCH the game and not play it anymore? I have never consistently watched a stream in league besides Dekar and i've played 500+ games per season till season 7 now i can't fathom playing a single SR game without rage quitting or permabanning myself for talking shit to the ammount of dumbshit in the game. I litterally played 20ranked games and 100 aram games this season.And i used to do this as a sidejob for pocket money. ( And yes this isnt my account i'm permabanned here because hurr durr you can't talk shit ). 60 out of my 100active league friends dont even play anymore. And i'm talking season 7 players not veterans those quit even before that.

CarpeConundrumJun 26, 20191 votes

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Because for everyone person who speaks up about the state there are people who like the state who don’t speak.

They don't like the state, most of them are Riot fanboys who will defend anything they do. You see it in every thread. Things which even pros complain about, they defend. Things that most of the community are vocally against, they defend. Most people are sick of this game in it's current state. I can't find content or threads praising much of anything and most people are all saying the same thing.

JamareeJun 27, 20191 votes

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They don't like the state, most of them are Riot fanboys who will defend anything they do. You see it in every thread. Things which even pros complain about, they defend. Things that most of the community are vocally against, they defend.

If that was the case, were you a Riot fanboy when you thought the game was most balanced and others said it was shit?

Most people are sick of this game in it's current state.

Again, if that was honestly true, the game wouldn’t be getting played anywhere nearly as much as it is.

I can't find content or threads praising much of anything and most people are all saying the same thing.

Bet you can’t find more then a few about when you thought the game was most balanced either. That doesn’t happen, that has never happened, people don’t publicly announce they are happy with the current balance, Hell, I bet YOU didn’t make a post about the balance being good when you thought it was perfect.

CarpeConundrumJun 27, 20191 votes

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If that was the case, were you a Riot fanboy when you thought the game was most balanced and others said it was shit?

This game has never been balanced.

Again, if that was honestly true, the game wouldn’t be getting played anywhere nearly as much as it is.

Fallacy. Just because something is popular doesn't make it good.

Bet you can’t find more then a few about when you thought the game was most balanced either. That doesn’t happen, that has never happened, people don’t publicly announce they are happy with the current balance, Hell, I bet YOU didn’t make a post about the balance being good when you thought it was perfect.

Again. The game has never been balanced.

JamareeJun 27, 20191 votes

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This game has never been balanced.

Fallacy. Just because something is popular doesn't make it good.

Again. The game has never been balanced.

Then why did you even start playing in the first place?

CarpeConundrumJun 27, 20191 votes

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Then why did you even start playing in the first place?

That's honestly a really good question.

JamareeJun 27, 20191 votes

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That's honestly a really good question.

CarpeConundrumJun 27, 20191 votes

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:I

I guess it's because when I started playing there were no other options until Dota 2 came out and when Dota 2 came out I quit league until the "Reborn" update which completely trashed Dota 2 and now I'm here because I'd rather cut my junk off or league than play fortnite.

JamareeJun 27, 20193 votes

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I guess it's because when I started playing there were no other options until Dota 2 came out and when Dota 2 came out I quit league until the "Reborn" update which completely trashed Dota 2 and now I'm here because I'd rather cut my junk off or league than play fortnite.

And you aren’t playing the plethora of other good games free or not why?

Path of exile

Dauntless

Warframe

The other MOBAs SMITE, Battlerite, HoN, heroes

Then there are the paid options like FF14, Rainbow Six.

Then single player games like Bloodstained, Risk of Rain 2, We are Billions?

That has always been such a weak excuse to me, “Oh, I play because there are no other good games out.”

Bullshit, you play because you like the game, if you didn’t you would play the myriad of other games out there free or not that are just better then LoL

General Esdeath Jun 26, 201919 votes

My favorite part of Sylas is how people deny him being overloaded, because he has to be for his kit to work.

The man has a knock up, slow, aoe, waveclear, a dash, a shield, a heal, an execute, and a solid 401K plan from his job.

I get he needs a knock up so he can use Yasuo ult, but a heal? Really? Why? Why a shield? Why a dash? Why can't his E just have the second effect the first time? Don't forget this man can take ANY ULT in the game and give it an AP scaling because...reasons.

All those champs with bad AP scaling because they have high base damage and kits that are meant to utilize other stats? You know, with his liandry's DoT, Chogath who is supposed to go tanky with maybe 1 AP item, Gragas the tanky champ with maybe an AP item but here's a high base damage just in case. Yeah Sylas just takes those and fucking nukes with them, but that's fine because he's melee (except for his Q which lets him poke and CS from a safe distance).

GlaricionJun 26, 20193 votes

a solid 401K plan from his job.

No clue what any of this means.

I get he needs a knock up so he can use Yasuo ult

Sylas is supposed to run into some issues with ults (ex: lack of marks for Diana's ult), so no clue why they'd make an exception, especially if it harms one of their most popular champions.

but a heal? Really? Why? Why a shield?

He's an AP bruiser that needs to be stuffed with mitigation/drain tank mechanics in order to function due to Riot's refusal to add AP Bruiser itemization.

General Esdeath Jun 26, 20198 votes

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No clue what any of this means.

It's a joke

Sylas is supposed to run into some issues with ults (ex: lack of marks for Diana's ult), so no clue why they'd make an exception, especially if it harms one of their most popular champions.

He can still use Diana's ult though, even if he doesn't utilize it fully.

He's an AP bruiser that needs to be stuffed with mitigation/drain tank mechanics in order to function due to Riot's refusal to add AP Bruiser itemization.

Then why does his ult have AP burst scaling?

MakattackJun 26, 20192 votes

solid 401K plan from his job.

Ty for the much needed laugh.

AnateraJun 26, 201915 votes

Because the only people they really need to answer to is tencent. And they don't care.

AnotherFeederJun 26, 20199 votes

Well runes reforged had alot to do with it.

Added a 3rd dimension to balancing that made it alot harder for them to do.

Not rly sure y we even "needed" it...

haaaaaaalpJun 26, 20198 votes

People are too busy blaming other aspects of the game. We wasted 2 months qqing about position based ranked which had nothing to do with poor quality of games. Now, people are shocked that games still suck when position based ranked got removed.

When akali's rework came out, there were tons of people trying to defend it's design and giving bullshit excuses like her numbers were just overtuned and there was nothing wrong with the design. Instead of acknowledging that she needed to be reverted on the spot, people kept thinking the next change would fix her and encouraged riot to waste resources trying to balance the new akali. For all of the crap people gave akali's old design, it was never nearly as problematic as the current one and would have been a better alternative to keep in the game until another rework was made.