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Just had a game against a Vayne

Divewing··3 votes·442 views

I was support (Thresh), paired with a Jinx, I died a fair amount setting stuff up but in the end jinx was something like 7/1/3 so it was all good. Vayne is alone farming bot so we go in, I had my pink ward elsewhere on the map and hadn't upgraded my sweeper (I'd forgotten to on my last back). However I wasn't particularly worried because she was 1/3/2 or something.

Oh how I was wrong

She'd just finished BORK and I went in with the idea of waiting for stealth to end before throwing hook, but I never really got a chance, her total BS MS bonus stacked on her Bork active boost meant I wasn't landing crap, and I had to watch as she ate jinx alive. Chompers didnt matter, I couldnt land the hook, and I hadn't thrown down the Box yet (I'd wanted to save for dragon) because I thought with our lead we wouldnt need it.

Vayne got beaten in lane, but she hit bork. THIS is what you have on your hands now Riot. Vayne hits her late game powerspike with Bork. Now before anyone says "well by the sounds of it you palyed it poorly, you got greedy saving box, you didnt prepare enough" FOR WHAT OTHER ADC IN THE UNIVERSE DO I HAVE TO PREPARE SO MUCH FOR?!!!?!??! ESPECIALLY IF MY OWN IS AHEAD???!?!??!!!!

You know I didn't realise she had 550 range until a few weeks ago. My brother had told me around the time I started playing LoL that she had the shortest range. Well that's a fucking lie. I also didn't realise Lucian and Quinn had shorter ranges than she did.

I hate going ADC. I really do. The only one I can even hope to win with right now is Ezreal, and that is so difficult to carry a game with, especially against all the Vaynes and Kalistas running around. I'm too scared to play Lucian or Quinn. I haven't played anywhere near enough ADC to be able to not get poked out by almost every other champion and it's support early. AND ON TOP OF ALL THIS. I have to sit and watch as Vayne runs totally rampant. I HATE playing against it. The only thing I have that is reliable right now is Syndra, on the basis I can lead with hard CC and 100-0 with her with no counterplay. I AM LEFT WITH NO OTHER OPTION THAT TO 100-0 HER BEFORE SHE CAN REACT. The last time I had that matchup I made it a priority to leave whatever the hell was going on to murder her, because I was sick of it, and this was in a god damned normals game, which for the record, I like to play without putting in the effort I put in to ranked.

I have an idea for an item to help against knockups and other airborne CCs in general, but that's for another

12 Comments

SwapShadows4 votes

ive lost count of how many people have spammed the same exact vayne threads

Divewing3 votes

Would lead you to the assumption that it isn't just QQ anymore. Apparently Riot doesn't think so.

LadyRenly3 votes

You were jinx and thresh, I really cannot feel bad for you

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I was support (Thresh), paired with a Jinx, I died a fair amount setting stuff up but in the end jinx was something like 7/1/3 so it was all good.

She'd just finished BORK and I went in

http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/103746901/200714437?tab=builds&participant=8

Looking at the game, Vayne had Blade of the Ruined King, Boots of Speed, and a Dagger at 17 minutes. At that point in time, Jinx has Infinity Edge and Berserker Greaves. While you claim that Jinx was 7/1/3 at that point in time, Vayne and Jinx both had a similar amount of gold so KDA doesn't factor in to the fight.

She'd just finished BORK and I went in with the idea of waiting for stealth to end before throwing hook, but I never really got a chance, her total BS MS bonus stacked on her Bork active boost meant I wasn't landing crap, and I had to watch as she ate jinx alive. Chompers didnt matter, I couldnt land the hook, and I hadn't thrown down the Box yet (I'd wanted to save for dragon) because I thought with our lead we wouldnt need it.

So you basically missed every skillshot and CC you had on her and are surprised that she killed you? If Jinx was using Fishbones, I'm not really surprised that you lost that fight since Vayne would have significantly better attack speed and steroid in that case. Vayne is a better duelist while Jinx is the better teamfighter.

If Vayne was able to use her stealth to cancel Jinx's autoattack animation for a hit or two or she managed to stun her, I'm really not surprised that she won it.

You know I didn't realise she had 550 range until a few weeks ago. My brother had told me around the time I started playing LoL that she had the shortest range. Well that's a fucking lie. I also didn't realise Lucian and Quinn had shorter ranges than she did.

Vayne has "short range" because she has no abilities which allow her to affect enemies outside of her autoattack range.

Ashe WR Corki QR Caitlyn QR Draven ER Ezreal QWR Graves QR Jinx WR Kalista Q KogMaw QER Lucian QWR (Targeting a minion) MissFortune QR (Bounce Q off a minion) Quinn Q Sivir QW Urgot QE Varus QER

Tristana and Twitch are the only other ADCs who can't affect enemies outside of their autoattack range and both have abilities which can extend their autoattack range significantly.

Divewing1 votes

So I've heard. Look at how Jinx's range helped her. That argument has been thrown around these boards too often, and her range is clearly not holding her back, her win rate:pick rate reflects it, the amount of hate shes getting proves it. Either her tools to beat champions with such range advantages need changing or her range does.

This isn't about her us losing it's about her winning. She was behind, but it didnt matter because she had BORK and she wasnt behind enough. VAYNE IS NOT WEAK ENOUGH EARLY GAME ANYMORE TO JUSTIFY HER BRUTAL STRENGTH LATE

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Why would Jinx's range help her in that situation? You missed every ability while could have been used to keep Vayne at a distance and Jinx sacrifices her attack speed steroid to get bonus autoattack range; if Jinx was using Fishbones during the fight, then she was significantly gimping her damage output unless she was outside of Vayne's autoattack range.

You claim that you've heard it before, but you were still under the impression that people said Vayne had a short range due to her autoattack range when that is obviously not the case.

This isn't about her us losing it's about her winning. She was behind, but it didnt matter because she had BORK and she wasnt behind enough. VAYNE IS NOT WEAK ENOUGH EARLY GAME ANYMORE TO JUSTIFY HER BRUTAL STRENGTH LATE

She wasn't behind though. At 17 minutes, Jinx and Vayne both had one major item completed and near-equivalent boots. Considering that Vayne specializes in duels (duel to single-target DPS and dodging) and Jinx specializes in teamfights (due to AoE crits), you chose to fight Vayne where she is strongest while missing your abilities.

Divewing1 votes

Ok then she was even, why is Vayne outdueling a Jinx at 17 minutes, she 1/2 healthed her before I could even see her because of that stupid stealth (1 second my ass), then she's moving too fast that I have no chance of landing anything

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Once again, Jinx specializes in teamfighting (if using Fishbones) while Vayne specializes in dueling. Since you kept mentioning Jinx's range, then it seems fairly safe to say that she was using Fishbones during the fight, which means that she didn't have her attack speed steroid (and she has low base attack speed), significantly reducing her DPS.

If Vayne landed the Condemn, then Jinx would have been stunned long enough for one proc of Silver Bolts, 2-3 autoattacks, and BoRK activation which would chunk her.

Divewing2 votes

Yes but WHYYYY???!?!?!?!? She's a late game carry. Oh and a mid game carry. And an unbeatable duelist. And near impossible to assassinate without hard CC. Meanwhile Lucian is lucky he got a buff to his W

Dediguise1 votes

Not every adc is equal.

Bearing that in mind, the reason vayne has become so strong is because she can peel for herself, itemizing against her is expensive and champions that can just jump through her frontline are not seeing play. The latter are zed, vi, etc. Also notice that adc's that are not hypercarries aren't being played at all. This is a symptom of the meta more than her simply being op.

The best way to defeat a vayne who is behind is not to try to kill her, but to punish the rest of her team who are down an adc while she is overextended and farming. Either she will see that you are pushing and come to you(where you can catch her out of position), or she will go back to base and lose even more cs or she will push, and maybe take a tower while you 5 man all the way to their inhib.

Sometimes counterplay does not mean dueling. Sometimes it means making small sacrifices for bigger gains.

So in short beating vayne requires two things. Outbully her in lane. And then capitalize on the fact that she will be playing catchup for cs by murdering the rest of her team.

Divewing1 votes

That says right there she is too strong for anyone to deal with. Can you name another champion like that?

Fiveofswords1 votes

lol if you would stop assuming vayne is op and just figure out what error you made you might improve.

I never play vayne. don't own her. shes not my style. but ive seen plenty of times when im split pushing or stopping a vayne split push and go 1v1 against her late game as kog maw or Caitlyn...and just kill her. its really not so hard. just don't get wall stunned.

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