This can effectively be considered a Jungler meta

JavelinJoe··2 votes·435 views

5 of the top 10 highers win rate champs are Junglers. But the issue is that many of them can also play solo or supporting roles in the team outside of the jg. The 5 I mentioned are Amumu Shyvana Nautilus Volibear Udyr. With the exception of Udyr and Shyvana who both almost always go in the jungle, I have seen these champions a lot in the top lane and support since their tankiness and hard cc/sustain is very strong. The issue arises when we no longer can determine who is going where in champion select. Junglers that can become a bully in lane as well is a scary thing (thanks for the sort of Nautilus nerf because that was broken as hell in lane and damage output). Yes every champion can solo lane to an extent, but they all should have a 95% probability of going to a specific role (i hardly ever see a Nasus anywhere but top lane, but i might get that one guy who goes mid for example). But with the current limited cluster of champions that are OP right now (or META), almost all of that comes from jungle champs since they don't always go jungle, but when they do they tend to snowball very easily with either Sated Devourer-Rageblade or Runic Echoes and one of those is VERY broken balance wise. The ability to decide a game's outcome should not rest on one role, yet it does with the current meta and that role is Jungler. Every game I see most if not all of the bans go to jungle based champs and within that those champs are the ones who could dominate a solo lane like Voli or Naut. Just pointing this out, not really sure if this is intended or just what is currently meta.

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alasarcher1 votes

It was jungler meta since s1. Junglers were always part of meta. Naut is played top more than jungle.

JavelinJoe1 votes

Not what I meant, I meant that it is Jungler FOCUSED like the tank meta or the juggernaut meta not what is META

alasarcher1 votes

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Not what I meant, I meant that it is Jungler FOCUSED like the tank meta or the juggernaut meta not what is META

Tank meta meant tanks were picked as supports+ junglers+ tops. Juggernaut meta meant Juggernauts were Jungler (Skarner)+ top (Darius)+ bot(Morde) Assassin meta meant Assassins were Jungle(Evelynn)+Mid(Leblanc)+ top(Khazix/Rengar) Marksman meta means Marskman are Jungle(Graves)+ Mid(Corki)+ Top(Quinn)

What you are saying has nothing to do with META.

ATM highest winrate champs are

Janna- Support Malzahar- Mid Amumu- Jungle Zyra- Support Volibear- Top Lux- Mid Shyvanna-Jungle Kayle- Mid Soraka-Support Garen- Top

Thats overall

Lets count only plat +

Galio- Mid Udyr- Jungle Janna- Support Kayle- Top Ashe- ADC Volibear- Top Quinn- Top Taric- Support Ahri- Mid Sivir ADC

If we dont look winrate just popularity - plat +

Lucian- ADC Ezreal- Mid+ ADC Thresh- Support Lee Sin- Jungle Janna- Support Vayne- ADC Jhin ADC Lux- Mid Naut- Top Alistar- Support

If we step up to diamond we have Ezreal, Lucian, Thresh, Janna,Lee,Jhin,Alistar, Gragas, Naut and Kalista. Only Gragas is jungler. So 1/10 highest popularity champs is jungler. I dont know which stats u are looking at. My stats are from Lolking.

From OP.GG

1 Lucian 39.33% 2 Ezreal 30.64% 3 Thresh 27.36% 4 Lux 22.54% 5 Vayne 21.32% 6 Lee Sin 21.08% 7 Morgana 19.80% 8 Alistar 19.49% 9 Nautilus 19.30% 10 Janna 17.97% 11 Zed 17.02% 12 Ahri 16.90% 13 Braum 15.84% 14 Caitlyn 15.46% 15 Blitzcrank 15.43% 16 Yasuo 14.48% 17 Malphite 14.01% 18 Master Yi 13.89% 19 LeBlanc 13.51% 20 Leona 13.41%

These are top 20 pick rate. Only junglers are Master yi and Lee Sin.

JavelinJoe1 votes

I used lolking for my stats and I admit that i didn't mention that, but of the 10 highest win rate champs, half are junglers

alasarcher1 votes

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I used lolking for my stats and I admit that i didn't mention that, but of the 10 highest win rate champs, half are junglers

No they arent. Only Shyvanna and Amumu 2/10. And plat + only Udyr 1/10

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

Wait what.....Flex picks are a huge part of champ select. You should NOT be able to know where a champion is going based solely on that champion. Drafting someone like Nautilus first is safe and forces your enemy to guess where Nautilus is going. It's a whole strategy and everything.

JavelinJoe1 votes

yes but not every champion should be a flex is my point

darkmatchwaldo1 votes

And not every champion is :D if i see Zed I'm not thinking to myself "oh man i wonder if this guy is mid or not"

Same thing goes for Lucian Gangplank Kalista MasterYi Singed Soraka Xerath and 49207398750981435 others.

I am Pacman1 votes

It's always a jungler meta, the state of the balance of the game is based on the state of balance of the jungle because of how high an impact it has.

Any time something in the jungle breaks, the entire game is broken until it's fixed. Look when at the spirit items were op, feral flare meta, cinderhulk meta, devourer meta etc.

When kog is OP you ban kog, when naut is OP you ban naut, when feral flare was OP you played a feral flare jungler or you lost.

Edit: Currently the jungle is decently balanced, hence why you can play echos, devourer, cinderhulk or a warrior jungler and success based on skill not the item.

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