The following items should be nerfed!

Wukong Airlines·Nov 26, 2017·71 votes·3,528 views

Not stats-wise, but gold cost wise. They offer too much to be cheap and easily rushed. costs 2900 . The finishing cost should be raised from 700 ==>1000 all cost 2600. For a low price they offer too much. each should have increased cost of 300, except p.d should be 400.

ADCs are no longer weak early due to their items, not their damage. They ARE supposed to deal so much damage, but not at such early phase of the game. Same goes for AD assassins,bruisers, long ranged poke AD casters, abusing a cheap item that offers high AD in both stats and in passive.

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AirKingNeoNov 26, 201721 votes

Then you completely missed a ton. Why would you nerf Duskblade in cost instead of fixing the fundamental problem with its passives (and repeating Nightstalker bonus damage)? Duskblade isn't even overstat, it's just got too much power in passives. You forget RFC existed and nerfed 100 cost too much, except on PD. You forget Adaptive Helm, Stoneplate, and broken support items.

item 3147 Loses ward removing passive, Nightstalker passive set to 90-second cooldown. item 3094 item 3087 item 3085 +200 cost item 3046 +400 cost item 3194 Passive reduced to 15%, +50 HP. item 3193 Active HP reduced to 80%, All HP from this effect counts as base HP, cost increased to 3000. item 3190 Shield reduced item 3107 Heal reduced

big boi edriNov 26, 20179 votes

Or ya know, just remove item 3147 from the game, that’s basically your idea, lol. 90 second passive, gtfo XD

ThilmerNov 26, 20177 votes

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Or ya know, just remove from the game, that’s basically your idea, lol. 90 second passive, gtfo XD

To be fair, this ítem was introduced in the game for no particular reason and has been a balance mess since the beginning for one reason or another. Removing it from the game is not a bad idea.

J5Cld2hgRxNov 26, 20172 votes

all the assasin mains downvoting incoming

The steam lifeNov 27, 20171 votes

You underestimate the circlejerk and before you say I’m a filthy assasin main no I do not play them. At all

J5Cld2hgRxNov 29, 20171 votes

first of all, why are u edgy? secondly, it wasnt for u, it was for thilmer if u know how to read. Since he said "removing it from the game is not a bad idea" as most assasin use duskblade lol....

The steam lifeNov 29, 20171 votes

Do you know how to read because I really don’t think you know what edgy means. And of course I know who it’s for but you guys are just circle jerking so I decided to knock you down a peg. Don’t kid yourself there are way more circlejerkers than assasin mains.

J5Cld2hgRxDec 3, 20171 votes

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The steam lifeDec 6, 20171 votes

Congrats you’ve played a video game longer than I have. I’m glad to see you’ve focused on having no life. It just makes me sad to see that 10 year olds don’t even know what words mean. I don’t like picking on the handicapped so I help them ;)

oh and congrats on being an adc main who can’t handle this meta must have been rough man. Having a good rank in a video game won’t change your intelligence but don’t worry I’m sure someone will like you... eventually [slayer-jinx-wink]

SalsonNov 26, 20178 votes

I agree with +200 for Zeal items, but why the hell is PD +400? It's build on like 3 champs.

Also, you really overnerfed Duskblade.

The tank/supp nerfs are on point though.

AirKingNeoNov 26, 20176 votes

Because PD is overstat as fuck.

Duskblade overnerfed? Removed it's ward removal passive, then gave damage passive a cooldown. That's it.

SalsonNov 26, 20173 votes

PD is a dueling item though, it's actually rather weak in teamfights compared to the other 3. That's why only Yasuo, Tryn and Vayne buy it.

Ward removal is one of the few ways to gank a good botlane, the other being tower diving, which tanks do. It also encourages roaming instead of bashing the enemy laners head in again and again and again......

The passive doesn't have a cooldown to make a difference between actual assassins like Zed/Talon/Kha, and Pantheon/Jayce/MF. And there is supposed to be a major difference. Except if stealth auto-refreshed the cooldoown, that would actually be nice.

On the other hand, a 300G increase would delay the item, giving other Top/Mid lanners an edge in the matchups.

AirKingNeoNov 26, 20172 votes

when did people need an edge in those matchups?

SalsonNov 26, 20172 votes

Well: Pantheon just fuck this guy Jayce high-skill super bully Zed and Talon take over the game with the item +the junglers get it too early

AirKingNeoNov 26, 20172 votes

Jayce? Pantheon? Two already broken champions?

SalsonNov 26, 20174 votes

Yup, also prime toplane Duskblade abusers. Neither is actually the intended target for the item.

ThefrostyvikingNov 27, 20171 votes

Can't we leave hurricane as it is and raise static+firecannon by 300 each?

Hurricane isn't that powerful in terms of fighting and it's waveclear is a lot weaker than static at nearly all points.

Ontop of that, it's only really powerful on kog and twitch.

Phantom seems fine enough since only Yas ever rushes it first or second anyhow and he could also stand a delay.

AirKingNeoNov 27, 20171 votes

300 is too much for Shiv/RFC. Remove their combine power and +200 is enough.

Could buff hurricane by reverting it into an onhit item with recurve + zeal.

PD is still broken and is why Yasuo was broken with it and now only sucks due to lacking fervor. PD was built by Xayah, Sivir, and Lucian.

ThefrostyvikingNov 27, 20171 votes

I meant that the suggested change to phantom was fine enough-*

And i realized after but hurricane is really strong on twitch and kog so it would be hard to buff it for others without making them more OP:

AirKingNeoNov 27, 20171 votes

It would still hold the 200 cost nerf. Could nerf Twitch and Kog then.

ThefrostyvikingNov 27, 20171 votes

Kog isnt really OP due to his limitations, it's just a strong interaction.

Twitch on the other hand if he reaches items in time..............

HibekiNov 26, 201710 votes

Crit is way too cheap to be considered balanced, especially paired on a second multiplicitive multiplier that is attack speed.

Building straight damage and crit (no attack speed) is not as good as going straight crit and attack speed.

The problem is, the straight crit and attack speed all have extra shit added on and cost way too fucking cheap.

Static Shiv has like a 250 damage proc on you along with RFC. And they cost a ridiculously low amount.

10% damage on autos for 400g is the most effective AND cheapest stat in the game.

The amount of other stats need lowered on all crit items and also cost raised. This way adc's actually take time to scale for the first time in 4 seasons.

MetalGearTeemoNov 27, 20171 votes

reminder that riot loves RNG, as long as its not DODGE.

Troll for TrumpNov 26, 20174 votes

How bout buffing cleaver and making it melee only.

Assassins don't even need to get it anymore

The Yetii RiderNov 26, 20172 votes

Gnar is very reliant on Cleaver.

DaimaoNov 27, 20171 votes

Gnarr can buy melee only items.

ªTeemoNov 27, 20178 votes

And gnar can just go to hell anyway to be honest

ThefrostyvikingNov 27, 20173 votes

But aren't their passives disabled until he goes into mega?

Alex h8721Nov 27, 20172 votes

Exactly, he "can" buy them but theyre trash for him

TrínídaddyNov 26, 20174 votes

why would you nerf the cost of an assassin item? assassins are early to mid game champs, they get outscaled easily by adcs. Of course AD assassins should be able to burst early

PrinceOfStormsNov 27, 20175 votes

Duskblade in particular gives a way harder powerspike than any other lethality item for its gold cost.

PrinceOfStormsNov 27, 20174 votes

item 3031 should also be increased by 400 to be on par with Deathcap.

PB4UAMENov 27, 20175 votes

Remember the good old days when IE cost 4,300 gold? God I miss those days, when ADC were actually late fucking game, instead of dominating the second they get a single kill in lane.

TheYordleInfernoNov 27, 20174 votes

item 3155

HarrowRNov 26, 20173 votes

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AbibyamaNov 26, 201728 votes

Lowering tank items cost will mark the return of tank Akali Fizz Ekko Rengar Yasuo

No thank you

AirKingNeoNov 26, 20178 votes

Because Maokai, Ornn, Cho'gath, and Rammus and Shen needed buffs?

HarrowRNov 27, 20172 votes

Its funny,i say maybe lower tank item costs and get down voted to hell,even though im an adc main and im okay with the current state of the game,but then you see tank mains coming out of the woodworks screaming adcs are op and tanks need buffs,imho Mao is the most broken champ in the game,Rammus Cho and Ornn are supper anoying aswell

kargishNov 27, 20172 votes

Things you said that led to your downvotes

Buff tanks
Encourage tank assassins again
"I'm an adc main"

NiceHPBarNov 27, 20171 votes

Nerfing duskblade isnt a bad idea IMO (along with Zed)

kargishNov 27, 20171 votes

Nerfing assassin items also encourages the tank assassins to come back btw.

AirKingNeoNov 27, 20171 votes

No it doesn't. You didn't make tank assassins any better.

kargishNov 28, 20171 votes

You most definitely make them better this way. If assassin items are too expensive to be beneficial, then bruiser/tank assassins will come back. Same way ADC became heavily ovetuned, the items they purchase got a lot more beneficial to them with a reduction in price.

AirKingNeoNov 28, 20171 votes

You literally compared buffing something to nerfing something.

Buffing promotes going towards a buff.

Nerfing isn't making something shit any better.

DeusVultNov 26, 20174 votes

ADCs are supposed to hit like wet noodles for the first 25 minutes of the game.

The reason for this is that they alone have access to multiplicative scaling, so by 30-35 minutes they hit like a truck to anyone with less than 200 armor, and their objective taking ability is the best in the game.

PrinceOfStormsNov 27, 20174 votes

They should be worse than wet noodles imho - picking one should turn the game effectively into a 4v6 until 35 minutes, when it barely turns into a 5v5.