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Is damage a problem, or lack of resistance in your build a problem?

Radiant Wukong·Jul 16, 2018·3 votes·766 views

I've been playing this game since S2. I've never thought damage was too high. I still don't think damage is too high. I could be wrong, my highest elo ever obtained is D2 (made promos a few times for D1, but I always wind up back in D3/D4 after losing promos. Matchmaking is rigged to work against me for some reason).

Anyways, in this "damage meta" we also have a good "resistances meta" But check out OP.GG and look at the top builds, then check match history and notice every person from B5 to Challenger are all building glass cannons with their only resistance being and secondary stats from damage items

You don't not have enough resistances to stop a full arpen DIVER/ASSASSIN like from knocking your skull off your neck!

You also don't have enough resistances to stop a full magpen DIVER/ASSASSIN/Mages like from blowing your spine out your back!

If you have the same amount of gold and you're the same level as them, none of them can blow through resistances with 1 rotation of spells and ult (with the exceptions of who can be killed in the middle of their ults as long as you don't panic and start running away).

Against a stacked … you're going to die no matter what so just stay away from them lol

10 Comments

SwiftKitten88Jul 16, 20183 votes

.... 1-2 resistance item wont stop u from getting 1 shot

what it will do is top you from having a chance at 1 shotting them back.

as longany fucking champ in the game can 1 shot you. unless you can one shot them back resistances don't matter.

and as somone who plays MonkeyKing who is arguably one of the most broken champion in the game right now, who can 100/0 you at lvl 2 from stealth with absolutely no counterplay.

i dont feel you are in a postion to tell people how to play..

what am i supposed to start item 1057 on my support instead of my support item?

is my adc supposedd to start item 1054 ?

and buy first item item 1029

no...

i originally thought it was item 3095 that broke wu... i was wrong..

Metal JannaJul 16, 20183 votes

If even challengers are building glass cannon, then clearly damage items are just better than tank items.

redniwediSJul 16, 20182 votes

People seem to want to build one or two defensive items at most, with the rest damage. They end up with maybe one item that gives resistances (boots don't count ffs) and then complain that their added resistances do nothing.

Yes penetration is really strong right now, but building some legitimate resistances is still going to be better than breaking like a glass cannon.

Radiant WukongJul 16, 20182 votes

It's sad that people don't understand this concept. I've been playing for 6 years and have never understood how a person that doesn't have at least 2500 health, (150 armor or 100 magic resist) complains about being blown up by an (AD or AP) assassin. That's literally item 3047 + 1 armor item or item 3111 + 1 magic resist item.

SwiftKitten88Jul 16, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Radiant Wukong,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nEmEpvwL,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-07-16T15:54:38.745+0000)

It's sad that people don't understand this concept. I've been playing for 6 years and have never understood how a person that doesn't have at least 2500 health, (150 armor or 100 magic resist) complains about being blown up by an (AD or AP) assassin. That's literally + 1 armor item or + 1 magic resist item.

are u insane????

wtf do u think the scalings are?

at lvl 18 on Nidalee i have 1990 HP

if i buy item 3157 and item 3047 i have would only reach 152 armor at lvl 18

to get 100 mr i would need item 3102

and to get the hp i would need item 3165 and item 3116

so lets look at that build

item 3157 item 3047 item 3116 item 3165 item 3102

and that leaves me with what... ONE item? which HAS to be my jungle item of item 1414

so i cant even by my most core item in the game of item 3100

i don't have any chance of buying item 3089 or void if u build any MR..

and you're saying i should have that by "default"

i would need to be level 18 and have that build to even get what u think i should have.. which would make me completely useless.. and preventing me from doing my entire job.

i CANNOT build that.. if i tried to build that i woudl LOSE. i would be absolutely worthless, and i wouldn't be able to do my job as an assassin.

i HAVE to build damage.

do u even THINK about what your are writing... if i need that much stats in order to not get 100/0, to not get INSTANTLY KILLED.. do u HONESTLY thing my not having RESISTANCE is the problem.

if i NEED that much Resistance , if i need lvl 18 and a full 6 item 15k gold defensive build full to not get ONE SHOT, then by definition DAMAGE IS TOO FUCKING HIGH

its not the fucking resistance... its the damage

redniwediSJul 16, 20182 votes

I think you missed the key part of his post.

Someone should have that by default if they don't want to get blown up by an assassin. If you're fine playing the risk/reward game, as a Nidalee player should, it's more than reasonable to have less than his recommendation.

Radiant WukongJul 16, 20181 votes

Notice the word OR is used. This means you itemize to survive against the assassin that can 100-0 you. You care more about damage than staying alive, then keep your glass cannon build and whoever gets the first hit wins. Me, I can get caught completely off guard by an assassin and still blow them up.

I just finished a game on my other silver account. MonkeyKing item 3147 item 3142 item 3814 item 3075 item 3110 item 3047

against Talon Twitch Jhin Darius Thresh

I survived long enough to 1v3 Talon, Twitch and Jhin multiple times because I sacrificed damage for survivability.

SwiftKitten88Jul 16, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Radiant Wukong,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nEmEpvwL,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2018-07-16T16:57:09.112+0000)

Notice the word OR is used. This means you itemize to survive against the assassin that can 100-0 you. You care more about damage than staying alive, then keep your glass cannon build and whoever gets the first hit wins. Me, I can get caught completely off guard by an assassin and still blow them up.

I just finished a game on my other silver account.

against

I survived long enough to 1v3 Talon, Twitch and Jhin multiple times because I sacrificed damage for survivability.

LOL you're absolutely insane

AP champions CANNOT build like that..

if i built item 1414 item 3157 item 3100 item 3047 item 3075 item 3110

i would have about 240 ap at full build

while as AD with your three items of item 3147 item 3142 item 3814

would have 282 AD

my AP would not affect my autos

and i wouldsnt eb able to even TOUCH anyone.. i would be completly useless

while u also get a shield from item 3814 , pen and m0oevmespeed from item 3142 , the ability to remove wards with item 3147 . and the woudl actaulyl hit more than my item 3100 becuase my ap would be so low..

and u want to know WHY AP champs cant stop at 3 AP items?

becuase WE DONT GET AP PER LEVEL

where as u.. aty lvl 18.. get 136 AD FOR FREE, and while ap champs also get free AD, OUR ABILITIES DON'T SCALE WITH IT. nidalee does have AD ratios with takedown,

but the fact is.. we CANNOT build like that, not anymore... in season 3,4,5 when damage was low enough, before keystones.. it worked, becuase damage was low enough that there would be extended trades. but there ARN'T extended trades anymore,

you as an AD champ can BURST down any squishy target with only 3 AD items.. as an ap champ.. we CAN'T DO THAT.. if we stop building AP.. then one single MR item would make it so we cannot kill someone before they kill us. becuase dont get your 130+ free AP like u get 130 free AD for leveling.

item 3089 makes up for that yes... but it has to be in our build to do so and that is another item slot.

Radiant WukongJul 16, 20181 votes

Obviously you wouldn't build like that for AP champs.

I'm not talking assassin vs assassin gameplay. Your Katarinas and Zeds should be glass cannons. So should your Nidalee. Stop using assassins as example. As an assassin, your Nidalee should be able to escape combat when she needs to, nobody outside of a freaking Kassadin is going to have success chasing a Nidalee. In sticky situations you have item 3157 summoner 4 .

In the same manner that MonkeyKing is a diver (bruiser), so is Diana item 3115 item 3100 item 3157 item 3068 item 3047 ( item 3089 or item 3135 or item 3152 ) works wonders for her.

Gragas item 3027 item 3152 item 3100 item 3075 item 3110 item 3047

Instead of intentionally acting ignorant, like you don't know how to build resistances in certain matchups, just admit that you prefer glass cannon builds.

TrollmanshipJul 16, 20182 votes

So your argument is that because we have the choice to build tank items (and lose) and not get one shot (but still lose) even though it will make us useless (and make us lose), damage is in an okay spot. Hoh boy I guess I can just choose to lose every game, that'll fix everything.

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