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I have no proof

Radiant Wukong··54 votes·2,162 views
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There is no way to prove that the person playing Talon queued for jungle, originally had Rammus, asked me who I intended to play mid (I had last pick) so I highlighted Talon. He then picks Talon and says, "I'm going to feed mid." Changed his summoner 11 to summoner 1 , was verbally abusive in champion select chat.

When game starts, he immediately runs into mid tower, takes 3 tower shots then runs into enemy jungle. The entire time during in-game chat, he's the nicest most positive guy ever. "We can still win." "Don't give up guys, we got this." "Stay positive, game isn't over yet." "We're late game champs, we'll make a comeback." etc etc

The other 3 teammates flamed him and they'll probably be banned since he said he was going to report them. I've learned my lesson from flaming players like this because that's how I got permabanned. But this guy, this guy will see 0 consequences for his actions just because he didn't say anything bad during in-game chat. Pre-game and post-game chat toxic, in-game chat he's a perfect example of what a summoner should be.

When my 1st account got banned due to flaming people like this, I got all negative feedback from the boards. Now here I am, reformed, not flaming, account in perfect standing (I get all my loot, honored most matches, PBE access, gifted for attitude and play, etc) asking... WHY HASN'T RIOT IMPLEMENTED A WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS SHIT YET!?

53 Comments

archerno125 votes

U can prove tho. When u open replay, during loading screen players are sorted by lane. Top, Jungle, Mid, Adc, Support. But naming and shaming is not allowed, report after game and move on.

Salson3 votes

He's not naming or shaming, he just posted a link to his recent game.

Sukishoo2 votes

But yet he did. He showed us the game and said the "Talon" so that's essentially naming the player

archerno11 votes

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He's not naming or shaming, he just posted a link to his recent game.

He mentioned that it was Talon and link that he posted before it was removed had Talons name.

AJStarhiker13 votes

You can report from outside games by filing a support ticket, there just isn't a dedicated "Report Player" option.

Select "I have a Question about League of Legends/Riot Games" then under Categories select "Games and Features: General Questions" and use the Description box to tell them what happened.

You'll get an email saying it'll be forwarded to the appropriate team and a follow up saying they'll look into it, that they can't tell you what (if any) actions are taken, and a reminder to use the post-game report feature (I know, it doesn't help when you don't even get into the game).

Also, Riot does record pre/post game chat. It just doesn't get included in chat logs due to technical issues.

HalcyonDweller5 votes

http://support.riotgames.com/

Here is the link to submit support tickets.

Deep Terror Nami11 votes

Hey Radiant, I've edited out the match history link because name & shaming/reporting isn't allowed on the boards per the Universal Rules. I understand your frustration with these sorts of players, as I've had to deal with them just the same, but we should rely on the post-game reporting as much as we can.

If you need to report a chronic inter that the system is not catching, I recommend you submit a Support Ticket under the category I have a question > Game & Features > General Questions.

If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the Moderation Discord here.

https://i.gyazo.com/60dae3aaeeb6bf71919cf40fc9e2213e.gif

Clementine4 votes

What's stopping people from just going to their match history and easily finding out who they're talking about?

Deep Terror Nami10 votes

Nothing, but that's not a good reason to support shaming. If you are motivated enough to go find who they are talking about then feel free to do so, just don't bring it to the boards to enable harassing the player.

OP Garen Support6 votes

Anyone who is intentionally doing something like this deserve to get his account perma banned right away. Naming and shaming is bad I agree, but if Riot bans the account then there is no effect for the naming and shaming.(in this case rotten people like this deserve it though)

Deep Terror Nami7 votes

I'd love to just go in there and permaban anyone that likes to int, but that's not within my power. Player Support can, though, and you can only reach them through a ticket. It's find to discuss the behavior here, but shaming them doesn't do much but cause drama and potentially lead to harassment (plus, we can't always see whether the OP is being honest or not).

OP Garen Support1 votes

Fair enough. Wish there was a faster option for sending a ticket. example after game there is a report option for intentional feeding button that would open a link to this kind of ticket for those who wish to upload every necessary information Riot needs.

iamthegoatofwar3 votes

submit a ticket to a bunch of copy paste bots that take 3 days to respond...?

Steelflame2 votes

I've contacted Riot support like 10 times, they respond fairly fast. I generally get a reply within the day.

Bademeister1 votes

Yeah "if you need to report a CHRONIC inter"... except, how can ANYBODY EVER know that someone is "chronic"? Especially since "naming and shaming" is not allowed?

As always, Riot's rules have one purpose: make people play the game and pay money. All the talk about fairness, sportsmanlike behavior etc. is ALL just gas-lighting this simple fact - company, investors, money counts.

Until there is an at least semi-independent body controlling LOL esports, it will never truly become a "sport". So stop pretending that's what you trying to achieve Riot - and to be clear, nothing wrong with it. Do make your money. Just stop being oh-so-morally-awesome PLEASE for god's sake. Grow a pair and stand by what you are doing.

Succubús GF1 votes

I never understood this rule and quite frankly I think it is completely wrongfully implemented. If there is a troll, they should get named. What does it matter if people on boards know? What are THEY going to do? Add the troll and say nasty things to them? I like that shaming/reporting isn't allowed because it's like riot is trying their best to pretend trolls aren't a heavy problem

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

What are THEY going to do? Add the troll and say nasty things to them?

Um, exactly. Harassment is not ok no matter what you think of the person, and we are not going to enable it here.

Succubús GF1 votes

Way to respond to the entire post DTN, it isn't being enabled. Did you know scripters cant be named on boards? Someone CHEATING isn't allowed? Aww because itll hurt their poor little feelings. God " muh enabling". Such a dumb argument

kile1473 votes

It's not just about protecting feelings either. We are not 100% anonymous on the internet and getting a mob frenzy worked up against a person is capable of causing real and lasting impact on their lives if the wrong kind of people get involved. You may not feel too bad about that if they are actually guilty of what they are accused of, but oftentimes it is one person's word against another and not black and white about who is in the wrong. OP could theoretically be trying to throw this guy under the bus just because he had a bad game and we as players do not have the tools to determine that. The proper solution is to let Riot Support get to the truth of what happened, and punish the appropriate parties.

Bademeister1 votes

Can you please specify where I can send a ticket? This is what I have... https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us - your "game & features" thing is not visible to me...

Oh and before you suggest that, when I go to "reporting & suspensions", it says I can only report a player through the in-game system... so what is it?

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I don't even know where you found a "Reporting & Suspensions" category.

Select I have a question about League of Legends/Riot Games for the request type, then Game and Features::General Questions for the category.

Bademeister1 votes

I posted the link above, you probably have not yet been to the updated site... but no worries, I know from prior interactions that the support once you reach them is equally helpful, so it's probably a waste of time (just like clicking reports after games... nothing EVER happens).

Thank you very much though for trying your best to help, really appreciate it <3

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

I've been to the new site and I went again before replying to you. You're going to have to be more specific as to which Request Type you selected and which Category. The ones that I said to do to are there, in that order.

Bademeister1 votes

Ok sure buddy. You are of course right. Don't argue with Zeus :) Have a great life. Thank you again.

For all others: that's how it works, despite VISUAL evidence to the contrary, still pretend the opposite. What can you do... there are even politicians now, I hear, who do that, so it must be ok.

Bye!

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/d74813c170278acca8a595819e782465.png Go to section 1 to select a request type. https://i.gyazo.com/2f8e39e1e66882b70f89b4b73b072ca8.png https://i.gyazo.com/9a983495745cc09c6da28d53b18506fd.png https://i.gyazo.com/9fa2d350f2c7d1a978a21fd3abe6b52b.png Select "I have a question about LoL/Riot Games" https://i.gyazo.com/fa2cc52c3ceeda69c99d3cdcbd520c30.png Go to the Category section at the bottom. https://i.gyazo.com/e3a213fedf477abff0c87095d8fffa16.png https://i.gyazo.com/968d6df5a818c19dfd25158da6fcb048.png https://i.gyazo.com/4358cf1cf8d54d1b735fb0a530f6ec52.png https://i.gyazo.com/5483b73d3c1d62781055eb4c5bde702d.png Select "Game and Features::General Questions".

Now you can fill out your ticket, as the appropriate category is selected.

Bademeister1 votes

My link is from going to the official Riot LOL support site... I have no idea how you get to the site from which those screenshots are coming. Again, thank you though (again) :)

My Dough1 votes

The website to submit a ticket is https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

The link you provided was to find out more information about a topic. The link I provided is how you'll be able to send a ticket and the images that DTN provided will guide you through the process. No need to be sarcastic/rude to DTN who's trying to help you...

Cyndercat1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=X6ZEbnin,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-06-19T18:18:46.139+0000)

Hey Radiant, I've edited out the match history link because name & shaming/reporting isn't allowed on the boards per the Universal Rules. I understand your frustration with these sorts of players, as I've had to deal with them just the same, but we should rely on the post-game reporting as much as we can.

If you need to report a chronic inter that the system is not catching, I recommend you submit a Support Ticket under the category I have a question > Game & Features > General Questions.

If you have questions or concerns about this action please visit us in the Moderation Discord here.

https://i.gyazo.com/60dae3aaeeb6bf71919cf40fc9e2213e.gif

Ive tried submitting support tickets for trolls and extremely toxic plays but the support replies tell me they dont allow reporting via support ticket anymore.

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

As soon as I read this I went and talked to one of our player support specialist, and he was pretty adamant that this isn't the case. If you really need to report something you can use a ticket, but the post-game reporting should always be your first choice.

Would you be able to show me ticket responses that said this?

Cyndercat1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=X6ZEbnin,comment-id=000900040000,timestamp=2017-06-20T04:27:34.541+0000)

As soon as I read this I went and talked to one of our player support specialist, and he was pretty adamant that this isn't the case. If you really need to report something you can use a ticket, but the post-game reporting should always be your first choice.

Would you be able to show me ticket responses that said this?

Sorry for late reply. Here you go. http://imgur.com/a/YevxL

HalcyonDweller3 votes

Don't name and shame on the boards. It's not OK because you could start a witch hunt.

Submit a support ticket

EDIT: AJSStarhiker beat me to it.

Succubús GF3 votes

Isnt it funny that getting annoyed is acknowledged with backlash and account banning but trolling is literally nothing?

Troll Armada2 votes

while it's true they record pre and post game chat, why not make their jobs easier, by simply snapping a screen capture of the convo and pasting it into a photo sharing site.

General Esdeath 2 votes

I screencap these and save them so I can send them in tickets later if I need to.

Sukishoo2 votes

There is no way to prove that the person playing Talon queued for jungle

Yes there is. The load-in screen shows where people queued for. Even if they change during champ select they are still showed in the load-in for their original role.

Cosnirak1 votes

There's no reason you can't report him. Even in the post game screen you can report him for griefing and explain why in the text box. Riot doesn't ignore that stuff.

Elikain1 votes

then picks Talon and says, "I'm going to feed mid."

So he did say he was going to feed mid. Pre game, in-game and post game chat is recorded for a game i believe. He also was jungle, replaced Smite with something else and then went mid to feed his ass off. Yea, there's plenty of evidence against him. People aren't exclusively punished based on their chat logs alone.

Just look at his match history. Most recent of his games are Jungle Rammus where he basically feeds his ass off, the same as his Talon game. I don't know what this guy's deal is but his account isn't spotless. Also that 4/14 jungle Shaco. Yea, i wouldn't worry about him. He's headed in one direction.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

This is why I think in some cases that name shaming should be allowed if there caught on the replays. If you put the name out there then eventually other people would be able to speak up and say he did this in their games too. When you think about it the majority of the time someone is banned for inting is when they're famous.

zPOOPz1 votes

Because we, as a civilization, have risen above lynch mobbing hundreds of years ago. Do you want to regress civilization?

If you were having a bad day and died a lot, do you really want to be harassed for the next 10 games because someone perceived you as intentionally feeding and plaster your name all over the forum and then your teammates for the next 10 games start to harass and be toxic to you just because they saw your name with the label inting before the game even started?

Finn Teh Human1 votes

I'm guessing you haven't read the post. They're talking about someone who INTENTIONALLY ruined 4 OTHERS PEOPLES GAME. It's not for someone who had a "bad game". It's for people who intentionally RUIN games for other people. And please don't compare lynching to something that is basically like the FBI putting out sketch of someone who is wanted.

ChaosThief1 votes

Keep in mind you can be banned for more than just what you say. Also, Riot does have access to pre and post game logs, so anything said during that time can still be used against him.

You'd have to go through the hassle of reporting him through support, but there's still a chance to punish him.

Lil UwUzi Vert 1 votes

What's wrong with naming and shaming? if someone was an asshole and ruined other people's games, why can't he be named?

Telephone Booth2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Thats haram bro,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=X6ZEbnin,comment-id=000c,timestamp=2017-06-19T21:44:16.437+0000)

What's wrong with naming and shaming? if someone was an asshole and ruined other people's games, why can't he be named?

Should be obvious, but people could easily lie and start a witch hunt against an innocent person. There's three sides to every story; your's, their's, and the truth. You could easily give your side in a case without much evidence and no one would really know their side.

Autrah Fang1 votes

best way to deal with this is take a screenshot of the pre- and post-game chat and then send in a support ticket with said screenshots attached. then you just hope they punish him :/

i'm sorry that he did this, but that's the only way to attempt to give him punishment for his chat. you can also report for inting in the post-game lobby and hope that sticks as well

Edit: i just read the rest of the replies, and there a few people giving you this exact info. apologies :)

Steelflame1 votes

Just a tip, screenshot champ select if you see something like that.

EVEN if they dodge, you can send the screenshot to Riot support, and they can act on it if they find data that matches it. I've seen a few bans drop from that (Oh the glory days of when there were tons of Lyte Smites on the forums).

RacoonHunter1 votes

after reading this, im very annoyed that riot is just lazy. it's better for them to say something than to continue to do what they are currently doing, which is remaining silent.

What I find also even more shocking is that riot hasn't tweaked their punishment system to include post and pre game chat.. they claim that it's included, but ONLY in manual reviews on stuff like Intentional feeding. If it was included, Reports for chat restriction would have the chat included in them.. since it does NOT include this, it's not included in the computer triggered review.

I literally just had a player with a name of "kill the blacks" that I had to report..

Randomonium1 votes

When people try to pull crap like this I take a screenshot of the chat in the pregame lobby and then open up a support ticket. Riot does have access to pre-game and post-game chat but it simply isn't checked by the automated system.

twogirlsonelane1 votes

Wonder if it is the same guy I ran into. He queued as jungle then just ignored lanes, towers, team fights, etc. In chat he kept saying "we still got this" and "just wait till late game"...even when they were knocking down our nexus turrets while he farmed jungle, kept saying "we got this". I'm pretty sure he was still saying it as the Nexus was exploding... I'm not even sure if I reported him as none of the categories seemed to fit.

Radiant Wukong1 votes

Same issue I ran into, I still submitted a report for intentional feeding, negative attitude and verbal abuse. Hopefully they'll see a pattern on his account and issue a punishment.

Just Kddng1 votes

Like I'll agree with you that's really fucked up, but in someways, it's kind of hilarious. Js >.>

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