Rengar CC immunity removed on PBE

Ahristocats·Jan 25, 2017·138 votes·6,307 views

Good really good nerf because it's needed it's incredibly stupid

now if rengar ends up garbage, don't wonder why your rework sucked

76 Comments

A little PeepoJan 26, 201710 votes

An assassin being played better as a bruiser rather than glass cannon? I swear I've seen this before

Jeddy017Jan 26, 20178 votes

Ekko - You must be talking about some other timeline. Fizz - Yeah, we haven't seen this anywhere before. Akali - Hi.

JavelinJoeJan 26, 20174 votes

MasterYi

ElewdJan 27, 20171 votes

Diana - I promise you it won't end well for you guys.

(i actually think Diana is in a really good spot now, shes just not an assassin anymore)

ReZisT LustJan 27, 20171 votes

Annie

ModCaptainMårvelousJan 26, 20179 votes

Now, that said.

Battle Roar (W) Ferocity CC prevention effect removed - no longer "prevents incoming ones for 1.5 seconds,"

Prevents. The Cleanse effect is still there. However, it means Rengar can't just tap it as soon as he feels threatened. He just has to time it better. Which he should.

Serika ZeroJan 26, 20177 votes

as long as it works like a QQS I have nothing against it. I actually think it would be perfect as a start to balance his kit. But if it works as Olaf's Ragnarok, then it has issues :(

SNSD SunnnyJan 25, 20178 votes

i don't get what would be the point of playing rengar when kha is just better now

AhristocatsJan 25, 20177 votes

rengar can build full tank+black cleaver+warrior ends up with 260 ad (300 with baron) 4k hp 150 armor and 150 mr combine this wit his W heal, and you will tank more than rammus

combine this with the AD you get, the CDR you end up doing as much damage as a skirmisher in late game combine his W with cdr and you're immune to cc everytime and their carry can't do anything

his rework was garbage

TyrekGoldenspearJan 25, 201716 votes

Technically his rework was really good because you killed stuff really well.

Now if by garbage you mean overpowered, then that's more debatable.

Just saying, saying that a rework is garbage brings the connotation that he's weak.

AhristocatsJan 25, 201721 votes

it was a success because they managed to delay his burst

it was a failure because it made bruiser rengar superior to assassin rengar

EnloctJan 25, 201715 votes

They didn't really delay his burst. He assassin build does about the same about of damage as fast. It's just...why do that when you can do 90% of the damage while being tank as fuck and immune to CC.

ElishevaJan 25, 201710 votes

It did delay his burst. Not only did hoes two q's not do as much as old rengs triple q, it also doesn't give him the bonus attack speed, so after his initial burst, he is less threatening. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't really have stealth anymore, (I guess if you don't know how to group when you see him ult, he does.) and he no longer has a real heal, the rework overall made him worse.

GemCrashJan 26, 20174 votes

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It did delay his burst. Not only did hoes two q's not do as much as old rengs triple q, it also doesn't give him the bonus attack speed, so after his initial burst, he is less threatening. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't really have stealth anymore, (I guess if you don't know how to group when you see him ult, he does.) and he no longer has a real heal, the rework overall made him worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5P4Kil62rE

Delayed from like 0.1 seconds to 0.2 ?

ElishevaJan 26, 20171 votes

Just because the new rengar can still chunk people who built full damage, doesn't mean its potential damage is close to the same.

AhristocatsJan 27, 20171 votes

look at 0.30 , they were low and he took 1 sec to kill them

stop saying he kills as fast as before

then look at 0:50 with fizz, he killed him in ~~0.8 sec, and riot said THIS IS THE DELAY THEY WANTED ON AN ASSASSIN because they should still kill you fast just not in 0.01 sec like before

WMWMWMWMWMWMWMWWJan 27, 20171 votes

Not rly old rengar 1 shot

Troll for TrumpJan 26, 20172 votes

No his burst is hardly delayed.

Especially in comparison with other assassins.

His burst combo is faster than LBs.

RoodToobJan 26, 20172 votes

every assassin's burst is faster than LB's, her entire passive forces her to wait 1.5s

Troll for TrumpJan 27, 20171 votes

Fizz has his ult's longaf throw time and how it hovers over them.

Talon has his W delay, and a bunch of little gimmicks that make him take much longer to assassinate someone(his passive requiring an AA after the combo, putting you at much greater risk, AND it's DoT, so it's basically pointless lategame.

Akali's dmg is just slow in general and always has been.

Kass is faster

Rengar is faster

Zix is faster

Katarina is faster

You can tell which ones are overloaded by how they've been getting nerfed recently.

Kass is the exception.

AtanchanJan 27, 20171 votes

That's kinda ambiguous, considering his identity before was kinda ambiguous between assassin and diver.

sir d wreckJan 26, 20174 votes

I assumed when someone says a rework was garbage they mean that Riot's attempt at making their gameplay healthier failed, whether he be overpowered or underpowered.

Sraeg2013Jan 26, 20171 votes

Or when it's Karma.

AnidanJan 26, 201711 votes

What? "Full tank + black cleaver + warrior" = not a tank. That's what everyone calls a bruiser. Just call it Bruiser Rengar and cut the extraneous crap.

At any rate, most of his problems lied in his W more than any other part of his kit. It favored being a bruiser over pretty much everything else. He wouldn't want to be a tank because it'd limit his damage (which is his kit design), and he wouldn't want to go full damage because it would limit the potential of his W. Riot geared him toward being a bruiser and didn't even realize it, I guess. I recall this being similar to old Tahm Kench, though not quite, when he'd go full tank and be rewarded damage and immense survivability for it.

Rengar just feels like one those champions that will always be damn-near impossible to balance. I can't seem to recall any time where people would really consider him balanced, for that matter.

Dominick DestineJan 26, 20174 votes

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and you will tank more than rammus

Rammus is surprisingly untanky.

SwaggyMcGhee420Jan 26, 20171 votes

Not really, he just doesn't have shields or heals like the other supertanks.

Dominick DestineJan 26, 20172 votes

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Not really, he just doesn't have shields or heals like the other supertanks.

Yes really. Remember that his defensive stats are innately low.

He has the second best defensive active in the game (Defensive Ball Curl... second only to Nasus' Fury of the Sands), but Riot saw fit to give him some of the lowest defensive stats in the tank class to 'make him have a window of vulnerability'..... all this does is cripple him since other champions have decent tank stats on top of sustain/defensive steroids .

Ex: Zac Maokai Malphite Ivern etc.

Basically Rammus is garbage and needs buffs.

SwaggyMcGhee420Jan 26, 20171 votes

No. Not really. He's a mid and late game jungler, and therefore he has early game vulnerabilities such as low base stats and a slow clear. If he gets to mid and late game and isn't severely behind, he can easily 2v1 with w (120 armor and mr is broken, especially since it scales with his passive as well). He basically sacrifices his early game strength for late game damage, because unlike most tanks, he scales off of armor and can do some work late game, unlike champions like Zac and Ivern, who's jobs becomes ccing as many people as possible and soaking up damage.

Rammus is definitely not garbage. He's not even weak.

Shrek LuigiJan 26, 20172 votes

Huh? Rammus gets zoned out of everything lategame, and is pretty much exclusively picked for his ganking ability pre-6 due to his horrible clearspeed (easing into a midgame which he is no more useful than any other tank). The only reason the armor-scaling on his AAs is there is so that he can roll turrets faster when he gets the chance, because it's the only thing he can do outside of mopping up damage when the teamfights start. Doesn't amount to anything against other champs later on, because the champs truly intent on killing Rammus will outsustain whatever he does to them or simply bait his powerball out and kite him around.

Not that I think he's garbage, though. He's pretty average but has glaring and exploitable weaknesses and pretty much banks on his opponents being stupid enough to focus him during his strong phases of a match.

SwaggyMcGhee420Jan 27, 20171 votes

How does he get zoned? He gets incredibly tanky, and can duel anyone late game. His ganks get better over time as he gets more points in his e. There's no way an adc outsustains a late game Rammus with his w, thornmail, and sunfire cape. His opponents don't have to be stupid because he has a taunt and can force them to attack him... Even if they don't he's hard to ignore when he gets in the middle with his ult and sunfire, disrupting with his q.

dominusxJan 25, 20174 votes

Kha is actually garbage if you group properly. rengar doesnt give a fuck if you group he can soak up 2-3 k dmg with his Ws. trust me i love going in and just doing a double W and soak up everything with him. Old Rengar was better tbh this one is more braindead even tho you can dodge his Q's

ElishevaJan 25, 20172 votes

If you doublew, then you lose out on the empowered q combo, which is the only way you can kill a competent player.

dominusxJan 25, 20173 votes

late game you act more as a distraction rather the main dmg source. at least that's how i play him unless i get hyperfed

GayFluffyUnicornJan 26, 20171 votes

Yeah kha zix so garbage he is spammed 24/7 in master/challenger

gottrjrJan 26, 20171 votes

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Kha is actually garbage if you group properly. rengar doesnt give a fuck if you group he can soak up 2-3 k dmg with his Ws. trust me i love going in and just doing a double W and soak up everything with him. Old Rengar was better tbh this one is more braindead even tho you can dodge his Q's

Agreed. Kha mid to late game is complete shit. I hate when he is on my team. Rengar brings a more tanky front line with some decent CC. Kha just shit.

48983507DEL1Jan 25, 20178 votes

Yep after this patch I'm never touching the champ again. If he had ANY redeeming qualities aside from cc immunity he'd actually be worth my time.

Fuck you Riot. Now I know how Cass mains felt 2 years ago.

ØrdealJan 26, 20174 votes

Good riddence learn a real champion and not one that can just 1 shot everybody with infinity edge. Nobody cares.

48983507DEL1Jan 26, 201717 votes

A real champion lol? Please tell me who you consider to be a "real" champion.

Have you ever played Rengar? Do you even fundamentally understand how he works now? Or how he worked before?

Obviously not, seeing as you didn't realize that no one builds him full damage anymore, meaning he doesn't 1 shot everybody.

Even if they did, Riot reworked his ultimate to the point where even a semi-intelligent team can easily deny him a crit on the right target. This makes it pointless to even consider building full damage now, as it has such an easy form of counterplay.

But I'm guessing you're the type who always gets caught out alone and cries that you were taken out by an ASSASSIN, who's only purpose is to take out isolated targets.

Also, you seemed to care enough to reply to my comment. Even if you're replying in rage, you still care. So that's a lie.

RIP Tahm KenchJan 26, 20171 votes

Obviously the only "real" champion is the man himself Jax

sobi999Jan 25, 20176 votes

i swear there are many champs more garbage than rengar in league. They need more attention as favoritism is not riot's forte or as i would like to believe.

Mostro GalloJan 26, 20175 votes

When Rengar was released way back when, bruiser was the way to build him. You'd get called a troll for building him Full Ad/crit. I'm glad he's redeiscovered his bruiser roots

NineTailedMysticJan 26, 201710 votes

Assassin and Bruiser should never mix, ideally.

Oakleaf RangerJan 26, 20176 votes

Haha Ekko says hi

Photos of GhostsJan 26, 20172 votes

Bruiser Ekko is dead, Ekko is now a skirmisher/assassin, like Yi or Yas, but he's AP instead of AD.

Ultimate DeadpooJan 26, 20174 votes

I'm a Rengar main, and I support this change. I much preferred the old W, as when empowered it gave a heal but if used normally it gave you bonus armor and mr dependent on how many champions your W hit. This made Rengar very interesting to play, because while yes you became fairly tanky for a bit, it was only four seconds, so if you get stunned or slowed you got completely wrecked. It forced you to choose your engage carefully.

While I think people complaining about Rengar's burst is just plain stupid, as you have more than enough advance warning thanks to the eye that appears on top of you when he ults and you happen to be the closest to Rengar. If you don't make any move to GTFO that's your fault, not mine. And if you are walking near an unwarded bush, well once again there could've been multiple people in that bush and they would of done the exact same thing Rengar is about to do to you if he's in that bush. And people saying he's brain dead don't realize how many split second decisions you have to make as Rengar and other assassins like him, along with high risk that comes with diving into the middle of your team. Or at least, there was until Rengar's new W reared its ugly head.

I've said this since Rengo's rework, the only part of his kit that's broken is his new W. Everything else I feel is pretty well balanced. The W gives Rengar healing and when empowered a mini ragnarok. Yes, this has gotten me kills, yes, I have used this empowered W to break free of CC and avoid my imminent death but every time I do it I feel dirty. I got caught out, I should be dead but thanks to my W I'm not.

And this W is why people are building Rengar tankier, it used to be there was no reason to do that because of your W, it gave you that extra bit of time to get in there and get the job done, and if you didn't build AD you'd waste those four seconds. So, Rengar remained that really bursty assassin whose counter play was obvious. Now Rengar has that gray health and built in CC immunity, meaning why build him AD when you can build a few AD items and then go full tank from there. And that bonetooth necklace, while I love it isn't helping things.

Please RIot, give us back that old W, for us Rengar mains who'd prefer not blowing our only defensive skill at the beginning of a fight in order to get our empowered abilities, and other players who would rather not have Rengar be able to go mini ragnarok out of any of your CC.

Mostro GalloJan 27, 20171 votes

I don't see him ever getting his old W back. It allegedly "made him unhealthy in the top lane"

EnderiumJan 26, 20172 votes

Rengar main here.

W nerf is going to make him worthless; wonderful rework.

LauchmelderJan 26, 20175 votes

I'm not sure if that was meant sarcastic or not. But it's about time he lost it, there's absolutely no reason he should be unpeelable from his empowered W.