The road to making nidalee viable again

SwiftKitten88··5 votes·1,145 views

ill start this off with some stats http://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee

Jungle win rate 45% role placement as a jungler 45/46 2nd from bottom

middle win rate 33.9% role placement 51/51 last place

top win rate 44% role placement: 52/54 third from bottom

So i stopped playing league a while back, i think... july 2015. because of the nerfs done to nidalee.

now while i can play more than 1, nidalee was my first champ, my favorite champ, and my main.

i started back before back before season 3 started and i reached lvl 30 right when season 2 was ending

so why did i stop playing?

well nidalee had 3 viable roles: top, mid, both competitively and support for fun

then you let her jungle (which was great and it fits her lore)

and then the trap nerf. and this is probably the BIGGEST nerf nidalee got, and also the one that easily been avoided by changing 1 simple number see nidalee has traps do % damage after her rework and this was capped at 200 vs monsters

now when we let nidalee jungle that 200 capped damage vs monsters for 1 trap was OP so what does riot decide to do? they REMOVE the % damage?

ALL YOU NEEDED TO DO WAS LOWER THE PRE-EXISTING CAP!!!!

no matter what you change in nidalee THAT was what kill her ability to lane.

because now traps vs players do NOTHING. i have made tons of threads about this back when i played so u can view my history for more details. but that change effectively removed traps for doing ANYTHING to players.

than you nerf her hp, and later her spear damage. (you know, her ONLY damaging skill in human form) all to combat her "jungle" role. and so you make her not op , you also make her not even GOOD in the jungle. and you made her 100% worthless at top mid and support.

to made nidalee viable again. her traps need to be changed back to % damage and lower the cap vs monsters. if that is not done. her traps will always be worthless, and THEN if that wasn bad enough you lower the vision on her traps.

you already made traps worthless vs player and the ONLY thing they could STILL do was provide vision from far when put down. and you REMOVE THAT. why might was well have removed that skill slot and put a placeholder saying " nidalee has no human "W" skill. because that what you did

you can tweak her spear all you want. but nidalee will never be able to lane again unless she has traps that either deal % damage again. or have some sort of debuff again.

and while i may check back every few months to check the patch notes. i wont be play again till i see nidalee traps doing somthing

9 Comments

SaltyKracka4 votes

Whine, whine, whine.

Nobody wants to see Nidalee's current kit back in the game.

Wînter Fox3 votes

+1 for OP. You're absolutely right but you'll never get anyone in Gameplay to agree with you. The sheer hatred for Nidalee is just too strong

SwiftKitten881 votes

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+1 for OP. You're absolutely right but you'll never get anyone in Gameplay to agree with you. The sheer hatred for Nidalee is just too strong

yeah no one hated her before they put her in the jungle. but apparently making her root monsters made her too op for players to handle. (aka: what really happened was they made her spears invisible...and decided not to fix that and nerf her instead) invisible spears IS A FREAKING BUG, NOT A BALANCE ISSUE.

PallyClerk1 votes

all i saw was "im a bad player and cant play nidalee properly so im not playing her till they make her easy as shit" . Nidalees top of the junglers right now. Just shows how much you pay attention.

SwiftKitten883 votes

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all i saw was "im a bad player and cant play nidalee properly so im not playing her till they make her easy as shit" . Nidalees top of the junglers right now. Just shows how much you pay attention.

http://champion.gg/champion/Nidalee

Jungle win rate 45% role placement as a jungler 45/46 2nd from bottom

middle win rate 33.9% role placement 51/51 last place

top win rate 44% role placement: 52/54 third from bottom

why dont you quit talking nonsense and look at the numbers.

im not "bad at nidalee" nidalee is BAD.

PallyClerk1 votes

no you kids are just bad at nidalee. Nids one of the most played/best champions right now in higher elos because of how good she is when played by someone who can actually play her. Just because you cant be good at her doesnt mean shes bad . of course she will have a low win rate when you have to land a skillshot to do most of the damage. She will be the most played champ in the lcs lmao. Numbers dont mean everything if they did you would realize you are dumb and bad and listen to player with good stats.

SwiftKitten882 votes

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no you kids are just bad at nidalee. Nids one of the most played/best champions right now in higher elos because of how good she is when played by someone who can actually play her. Just because you cant be good at her doesnt mean shes bad . of course she will have a low win rate when you have to land a skillshot to do most of the damage. She will be the most played champ in the lcs lmao. Numbers dont mean everything if they did you would realize you are dumb and bad and listen to player with good stats.

what did your main account get banned or are you actually only level 11? either way it doesn't help your argument listen to the players with good stats? why don't you take some of your own advise? i have been playing nidalee AS MY MAIN since season 2 we are on season 5 preseason 6. through every patch, through every change. i know how each version played, the builds for each version, what champs counter her and which champs nid doesn't stand a chance in hell of beating. and even after 5 month of not playing i can read that all off to you without a second thought

you want to talk to the authority on nidalee? your talking to him, you wanna know who i learned from, you wanna know who i emulated.. RF legendary. And you wanna ask him if his option isn't exactly the same as mine?

nidalee was balanced until she was put in the jungle. she had 3 roles top mid and support, ALL of which were balanced. he have proably the one most hard counters of any champ. she needed a tweak to her traps to lower the cap on monsters. her damage vs player was not changed.

the ONLY change is that she now roots monsters and roams the jungle during laning phase.

and what happens? riot introduces a glitch that makes her spears invisible. and instead of properly addressing the traps they make them worthless by removing % hp.

idk how many time i have to say this.. nid has ONE damaging skill in human form. and she cant engage on you in kitty form UNLESS she lands it.

therefore 100% of nidalee damage is based on her landing that skillshot. so guess what? if she misses that skillshot. YOU ENGAGE ON HER, because it means she cant do jack shit for 6 seconds when it goes off cooldown. now anyone who PLAYS nid would realize this.

but instead they keep whining saying "nid only needs to land 1 spear out of 20 to go in" well yeah duh of course she does.. why didn't you kill her when she missed the other 19? or were you just standing there like an idoit? which is probably why that final spear actually hit you. because trust me. if you see nidalee moving so there is a clear path with no minions between you and her.. NEWS FLASH: SHE IS GOING TO THROW A FREAKING SPEAR

SwiftKitten881 votes

bump because apparently i need to edit my post to show data at the TOP of my post before so i dont get down voted for stating FACT.

SwiftKitten881 votes

wow i JUST saw the new challenger nid skin spotlight...

is THAT really how fast she throws spear now? a bronze 5 could dodge that. hell screw bronze 5 you can dodge that well before you hit lvl 30

no freaking wonder she has a 33% win rate mid. your NEVER going to land a spear on them...

i left before that nerfed happened but REALLY? is that some sort of joke?

the average human reaction time is 27 miliseconds

you added a you added a 25 millisecond CAST time before the spear even starts to move.. then you take into account the distance the spear has to go to actually deal decent damage. which is at LEAST another 25 miliseconds

who the bloody hell playtested this???

the only other damaging skill that gives you this much time to react is like karthus's Q.. which may i remind you has a 1 second cooldown. and on top of that nidalees spear is a SKILLSHOT that stops at the first target hit and hits minions.

SERIOUSLY riot? you can freaking make her spear 1 hit KO anything in the game it and have it be balanced when you do THAT to it

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