Riot, instead of removing Zephyr.......

Boomerangbro·Nov 3, 2015·49 votes·4,806 views

You could ask me and others to help you rework it to find its viable place in the meta. I'm sure hundreds of people who love the item are willing to help you figure out a viable space for it to go. I love this item so much and just hate to see it go. I can give you meaningful suggestions. Just ask the community (the helpful part), we can fix it and implement a great item!

Link to rework idea. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/r8eJEZRA-zephyr-rework

51 Comments

RottedApplesNov 3, 20155 votes

wait. they are removing zephyr? are you kidding me? I know it's not built often but come on there is no reason to remove it. It gets enough use. I personally do build this item on my ad teemo because i often get ninja tabi to deal with my lane opponent and need the tenacity from somewhere else, not to mention it gives me a lot of extra movespeed and some damage/attack speed.

It's honestly too good to get rid of.

VlasimutheNov 3, 20155 votes

Literally the only other item that gives tenacity asides from merc treads, they better be giving us another tenacity option then. If ever I build ninja tabis on a champ it usually follows with zephyr.

BoomerangbroNov 3, 20151 votes

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Literally the only other item that gives tenacity asides from merc treads, they better be giving us another tenacity option then. If ever I build ninja tabis on a champ it usually follows with zephyr.

They are putting Tenacity on the new elixers. So they are removing Zephyr because it's just stats with no tenacity. My suggestion is just to give it a new passive instead of just removing it.

Photos of GhostsNov 3, 20152 votes

Elixir of Iron always had tenacity

MatezoideNov 3, 20155 votes

> Remove Zephyr because it isnt popular

> Keeping Omhwrecker, which has achieved meme status by now

LtHoizNov 3, 20153 votes

Really Rito is going to remove Zephyr, wow Rito u r so fked. 1 out of 2 Tenacity item n the only one thats not a boot CDR, movement spd, atk spd best general utility item for any aa champions and ur removing this because folks don't know to use it

Give it a raise and +10 AD and see people use it

Xela SyabNov 3, 20153 votes

Item shoulda been build with phage to synergize with bruisers who needed mobility and tenacity. Only makes sense.

DaspinnyX2Nov 3, 20152 votes

Then on the other hand there are players like me and I don't think I have ever bought that item in a game.

Lord BoltrixNov 3, 20154 votes

By that logic, people who play tank supports like Alistair and Blitzcrank would say it's ok to remove Morellonomicon because they see no value in it due to never building it, when in reality they never play against Soraka as an AP support like Zyra.

BoomerangbroNov 3, 201516 votes

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Then on the other hand there are players like me and I don't think I have ever bought that item in a game.

You must not main Aatrox then. This removal hurts me so much. Having a core item removed from your main is like being stabbed in the heart.

DaspinnyX2Nov 3, 20152 votes

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You must not main Aatrox then. This removal hurts me so much. Having a core item removed from your main is like being stabbed in the heart.

You're right, I don't play Aatrox. But if an item is only useful to a couple of champs shouldn't it be reworks or removed in favor of a potentially more useful item?

LordForrestNov 3, 201516 votes

Problem is there is no replacement for the item currently. And it was actually useful on a lot of champions, it was just situational on most of them though and only core on a few that you needed to rush or at least work towards relatively fast. The others it was more of a late game purchase after you got other more important items built.

BoomerangbroNov 3, 20155 votes

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You're right, I don't play Aatrox. But if an item is only useful to a couple of champs shouldn't it be reworks or removed in favor of a potentially more useful item?

Name the item that replaces it then.....There isnt.

SpoofghoulNov 3, 20152 votes

like essence reaver u mean so its only usefull on graves and lucian

Yosuke ApperuNov 3, 20151 votes

But look, they reworked the hell out of it and made it amazing. Why couldn't they do the same thing with zephyr? sniff

RenailleNov 3, 20153 votes

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You must not main Aatrox then. This removal hurts me so much. Having a core item removed from your main is like being stabbed in the heart.

The only time you should be build Zephyr on Aatrox is as a boots replacment. it's not core in any way.

BoomerangbroNov 3, 20154 votes

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The only time you should be build Zephyr on Aatrox is as a boots replacment. it's not core in any way.

Do you even play Aatrox? He relies on Attack Speed and CDR. 2 stats that Zephyr offers. He also highly benefits from Tenacity because he often gets CC mid-Q. On top, he also gets movement speed and attack damage. Now tell me why it isn't core?

Baron of BreadNov 3, 20152 votes

In my experience it is a really frequent pick-up, but it is usually my fourth or so major buy. Not sure I would call it core at that point. Important? Yes. Core? Ehhh, maybe.

flibitydooNov 3, 20155 votes

In the 10 ranked games you've played with Aatrox,

you've built Zephyr 2 times. The first instance, you bought it as your second big item at the 24 minute mark. the second instance, you bought it as your third big item at the 36 minute mark. (also for some odd reason, in both games that you've built Zephyr, the support has outnumbered you in kills)

You've built Botrk 6 times. You've built Deadman's plate 6 times. You've built ravenous hydra 3 times. You've built Spirit Visage 5 times (6 if we count that kindle gem that was probably intended to become a visage before the game ended).

Zephyr is not core. You don't even rush it. You don't even build it first when you do choose to include it in your build. In every single one of your games you've built lifesteal and tank items as highest priority before moving on to obscure items like hexdrinker and guardian angel. It's quite clear from your match history, Botrk (or hydra), deadman's and spirit visage are core. Core items are items you rush and buy every. single. game. Zephyr is not.

Don't lie.

That being said, I do hope Zephyr makes a return, Stinger builds into one item with Zephyrs removal and I like the icon. But it's current stat offerings are extremely awkward to use. Attackspeed, ad, cdr, and tenacity, it's a cost efficient item, but it's stats are very distant that it's hard to find a champion/scenario where one can benefit from all the stats at once.

BoomerangbroNov 3, 20154 votes

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In the 10 ranked games you've played with Aatrox,

you've built Zephyr 2 times. The first instance, you bought it as your second big item at the 24 minute mark. the second instance, you bought it as your third big item at the 36 minute mark. (also for some odd reason, in both games that you've built Zephyr, the support has outnumbered you in kills)

You've built Botrk 6 times. You've built Deadman's plate 6 times. You've built ravenous hydra 3 times. You've built Spirit Visage 5 times (6 if we count that kindle gem that was probably intended to become a visage before the game ended).

Zephyr is not core. You don't even rush it. You don't even build it first when you do choose to include it in your build. In every single one of your games you've built lifesteal and tank items as highest priority before moving on to obscure items like hexdrinker and guardian angel. It's quite clear from your match history, Botrk (or hydra), deadman's and spirit visage are core. Core items are items you rush and buy every. single. game. Zephyr is not.

Don't lie.

That being said, I do hope Zephyr makes a return, Stinger builds into one item with Zephyrs removal and I like the icon. But it's current stat offerings are extremely awkward to use. Attackspeed, ad, cdr, and tenacity, it's a cost efficient item, but it's stats are very distant that it's hard to find a champion/scenario where one can benefit from all the stats at once.

I stopped playing Aatrox in ranked when I realized he was a liability to the team. That being said, I love building Zephyr on him in normals where I rush the item.

SpoofghoulNov 3, 20153 votes

It was always a good boots replacement

Chromatic EagleNov 3, 20151 votes

People main Aatrox?

Yosuke ApperuNov 3, 20151 votes

No more brutilizer rush for talon XD Sad face

Yosuke ApperuNov 3, 20151 votes

Zephyr was also the best replacement for boots ever.. but i wasnt able to enchant it with homeguards.. but now everyone gets home guards at 20 minutes.. Is it considered a secret op replacement for boots since it grants movement speed, attack speed, tenacity, cdr, and ad? It grants the stats of like half of the boots ... did they not want it combined with the new home guards? I'm gonna miss it tho

TurquoiseYoshiNov 3, 20152 votes

Eh. Honestly, it's a little sad it's getting taken out, but we have to deal with it.

And this is coming from a item 3713 user.

Baron of BreadNov 3, 20153 votes

The removal of trailblazer makes me a bit sad. It enabled some champions who couldn't jungle to be able to jungle, removing it just limits options.

ayNigerianPrinceNov 3, 20151 votes

Gg Evelyn.

TurquoiseYoshiNov 3, 20152 votes

Apparently they're making it easier to clear the jungle, which I think is why Trailblazer was removed, but it's still sad.

WalkinToothbrushNov 12, 20151 votes

You didn't read to much into the jungle notes then. The jungle is getting way easier to make ganking and jungler participation happen sooner.

And on a less serious note, it actually opens up more champions for jungle shenanigans.

Baron of BreadNov 12, 20151 votes

With the new pots it probably does at least, the hunter's one is basically infinite sustain. I haven't tried any non-conventional junglers out yet, too busy trying out the new Guinsoo's (I like hybrid builds).

Princess EmmaNov 3, 20152 votes

No more ''World fastest League movement speed'' contest item 3070

Valor SimulatorNov 3, 20152 votes

New Quinn wins that contest, with a rank 3 ult and item 1309 she can make it to the middle of mid lane before s wear off

SpoofghoulNov 3, 20151 votes

I have a suggestion what if riot made new boots upgrade named zephyr

cost 2850 gold 10%cdr 25 Ad 50% attackspeed Unique passive tenacity Unique passive 10% bonus movespeed

And now that zephyr is a boot we slap on an extra 45 movespeed just because.

ayNigerianPrinceNov 3, 20151 votes

That sounds like a terrible idea.

BoomerangbroNov 3, 20151 votes

Good additions to the thread guys! Keep it up!

AbyssphereNov 3, 20151 votes

They spoke about why they're removing it. It's on the top 5 least bought items so it's considered useless by the playerbase, and they tried to buff it but they found that buffing Zephyr led to gameplay they didn't like with a lot of champions that relied on crowd control to stay alive being made much weaker and champions who bought Zephyr getting way too good at sticking to people.

They removed it because they couldn't find a way to make it good while making it healthy.

BoomerangbroNov 3, 20153 votes

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They spoke about why they're removing it. It's on the top 5 least bought items so it's considered useless by the playerbase, and they tried to buff it but they found that buffing Zephyr led to gameplay they didn't like with a lot of champions that relied on crowd control to stay alive being made much weaker and champions who bought Zephyr getting way too good at sticking to people.

They removed it because they couldn't find a way to make it good while making it healthy.

Actually, what they didn't tell you, is that it is in the top 5 least bought items in MASTERS+. In SoloQ, there are at least 10 items that are least popular than it.

Also, that's why I'm offering suggestions on how to change Zephyr without making it super unhealthy.

AbyssphereNov 3, 20151 votes

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Actually, what they didn't tell you, is that it is in the top 5 least bought items in MASTERS+. In SoloQ, there are at least 10 items that are least popular than it.

Also, that's why I'm offering suggestions on how to change Zephyr without making it super unhealthy.

Well I get the impression that the core concept of the item as "attack speed carry tenacity" is probably a bad idea. Can you make Zephyr a good, healthy item, while keeping that identity?

BoomerangbroNov 3, 20151 votes

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Well I get the impression that the core concept of the item as "attack speed carry tenacity" is probably a bad idea. Can you make Zephyr a good, healthy item, while keeping that identity?

Check the link. It has my healthy rework concept.

HorrowNov 3, 20151 votes

As long as an item doesn't break the game or create any imbalances (Zephyr for example) then I see literally ZERO reason to remove said item. Let the people who DO use it still be able to use it. I build it from time to time, its even core for one of my Cho'gath builds. Removing a non-toxic item is unfair to those few that do use it. Its not doing any flipping harm for existing. Its just unpopular, leave it in.

RozairNov 3, 20151 votes

Rip executioner calling :( and rip atmas impaler :(( ((> {quoted}

You could ask me and others to help you rework it to find its viable place in the meta. I'm sure hundreds of people who love the item are willing to help you figure out a viable space for it to go. I love this item so much and just hate to see it go. I can give you meaningful suggestions. Just ask the community (the helpful part), we can fix it and implement a great item!

Link to rework idea. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/r8eJEZRA-zephyr-rework

killd0zerNov 3, 20151 votes

lol get fucked aatroll

Silents429Nov 3, 20151 votes

The same argument is said about everything that gets removed, but it's almost never bought and it's a balance nightmare to combine all the stats a fed hyper carry would love.

BoomerangbroNov 3, 20151 votes

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The same argument is said about everything that gets removed, but it's almost never bought and it's a balance nightmare to combine all the stats a fed hyper carry would love.

But.....Fed hypercarries don't build the item because of its poor attack damage. That is the problem. In theory, it is the best utility damage item in the game. People just don't want to build it because they want FAT DAMAGE over general utility.

That being said, since Riot doesn't want to see Tenacity on ADC's anymore, we have the problem of Zephyr without a passive, so our solution is to give it a new passive. Check to link for a healthy concept.

Silents429Nov 4, 20151 votes

And it won't get bought for that reason, Zephyr can be salvaged I am sure, but less items to deal with is easier to balance, and if it has no reason to exist it's going to cease to exist, because we already have utility items that carries buy.

BoomerangbroNov 4, 20151 votes

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And it won't get bought for that reason, Zephyr can be salvaged I am sure, but less items to deal with is easier to balance, and if it has no reason to exist it's going to cease to exist, because we already have utility items that carries buy.

Yeah, ones with damage. It has its place offering virtually little to no damage in exchange for great all around stats. No reason to remove a perfectly decent item.

BoomerangbroNov 4, 20151 votes

bump for the day!

WalkinToothbrushNov 12, 20151 votes

Believe it or not, Zephyr is an absolute must with Top Lane TahmKench . Literally every aspect of it helps his kit. You have the AD, AS, CDR, and Movement, not to mention the Tenacity. Depending how the game is going, I may even skip boots because of the 10% movement boost, and if you do want boots, you can get something that is much more suited to your teamfighting.

After many hours trying items in several games, TahmKench was the first champ I started using it on. It is possible to actually snowball with him top lane, you just needed the right build. Since then, I've spread out and begun building it on even more top laners, junglers, and even the occasional ADC. It brings a kit to the game that is not often utilized, but can completely change the way some champs can be played.

I do not believe the item is unbalanced because otherwise it wouldn't have lasted this long. I understand the new Tenacity rework, but I believe that would not be difficult to address given the course taken with said rework.

Riot wants to make it so each game of League feels and plays uniquely and I believe this item can help towards that goal. I believe the way to actually achieve this is by finding a way to promote player's to explore. To work outside of their suggested builds, not remove or introduce items.

Explore the items. You'd be surprised what dumb builds can work if played right.

WalkinToothbrushNov 12, 20151 votes

If anyone was curious,

Top TahmKench : item 3027 , item 3091 , Zephyr, item 3068 , item 3748 , and any situational preference item ( item 3116 , item 3022 , item 3065 , item 3075 , etc.)

SpeedFighterrNov 13, 20151 votes

I proally wont even bother to play the game anymore since they removed zeph and phantom dancer is disabled I pretty much use zeph as my main item now the game is totally broken I have over 3987 games played and I plan to quit the game because its totally broken now bye bye riot its been fun...but you broke ur game completely now