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Riot at this point you're honestly asking to be hated

Trash MammaI··101 votes·4,537 views

Yes, I know about the whole WookieCookie situation and that's honestly annoying but Riot has always been hypocrites on a lot of things and at this point I feel like they WANT their playerbase to hate them.

Riot says they don't enforce the meta > enforces the meta by adding dynamic queue/autofill > doesn't say shit about the meta when mages go bot > gets pissy when a guy takes smite bot

Riot says their goal isn't to balance temp modes > adds a debuff that nerfs healing/shields etc, removes zzrot/banner due to balance > Puts URF on pbe yet all the broken shit in the game (edge of night,WW,zed etc.) still left untouched

Riot says they don't balance based around the lcs > refuses to nerf lee sin/yasuo/maokai etc. to a tolerable state > Nerfs anybody for seeing play for longer than a week

Riot says they don't want people being instagibbed from stealth with 0 chance to react > removes the counter to stealth

Riot says rengar is unhealthy the way he comes from stealth and 1 shots people instantly > buffs rengar so he can 1 shot teams instead

Flash is the most used summoner spell in the game > nerfs ghost and TP

Riot says they'll never make recolors that we'd have to pay for > chromas

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112 Comments

Ahristocats26 votes

This whole thread was destroying by something

yasuo isn't nerfed not because of lcs but because yasuo doesn't need nerfs

and i'm not a yasuo main, just someone who understood how to play the game

Dominick Destine8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-28T15:50:51.632+0000)

yasuo isn't nerfed not because of lcs but because yasuo doesn't need nerfs

Bullshit.

Yasuo is brokenly overpowered and faceroll easy to play, the only champ easier and more broken is Lee Sin. For some reason you think champions like Syndra are broken , champions with no escape mechanism, gated by mana and high cooldowns, but brainless champs like Lee Sin and Yasuo who are brokenly overpowered are not? WTF?

HOW DID YOU EVER DIAMOND, SIR?

Ahristocats14 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-02-28T16:02:43.018+0000)

Bullshit.

Yasuo is brokenly overpowered and faceroll easy to play,

idc if he's faceroll, saying that yasuo is overpowered is what is bullshit

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-02-28T16:02:43.018+0000) the only champ easier and more broken is Lee Sin.

again idc

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-02-28T16:02:43.018+0000) For some reason you think champions like Syndra are broken

Nop, used to before when she was broken, now she is no longer broken

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-02-28T16:02:43.018+0000) , champions with no escape mechanism,

Yasuo hardly escapes anything, unless there are minions in front of him.

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-02-28T16:02:43.018+0000) gated by mana and high cooldowns, but brainless champs like Lee Sin and Yasuo who are brokenly overpowered are not? WTF?

It doesn't matter how brainless they are, as much as their power in the game is balanced and actually i don't feel like writing my 10th essay on why yasuo isn't broken, so i'll just leave his win rate in diamond/master to you

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-02-28T16:02:43.018+0000) HOW DID YOU EVER DIAMOND, SIR?

By playing well? or by being lucky in 2012, in 2013, and 2017

AmazoX4 votes

If Yasuo is so broken, Then explain why hasn't he been picked in LCS for more than 3 years by professional players whom have entitled their life to playing LoL & win?

Ahristocats8 votes

???? are you reading? i said yasuo isn't broken

AmazoX7 votes

My bad, That was for Dominick Destine. Have a good day, Apologies for being dumb.

It Hertz When IP6 votes

Just ignore Dominick, he's a lost cause.

Jinzo Torrance4 votes

What? The dude is a beast, especially when he says "I'm a member of the Diamond Pride for multiple years, can you say the same?"

Ahristocats5 votes

and then trashtalk you if you're a member of the diamondmaster pride

Jinzo Torrance4 votes

Or the Bronze Chaos

Aeszarck2 votes

{quoted}

What? The dude is a beast, especially when he says "I'm a member of the Diamond Pride for multiple years, can you say the same?"

He also says "draconian system" and "Evelynn" a lot.

Handin Out Naps3 votes

The best part is when he calls himself diamond but struggles every season in plat. Until the end where he finally reaches his diamond 5 pride. Talk about improvement.

jaymc11302 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-02-28T16:06:05.675+0000)

By playing well? or by being lucky in 2012, in 2013, and 2017

Confirmed boosted in 2012, 2013, and 2017, but not boosted 2014-2016!

<runs out of thread before DSxR can respond to the allegation>

=P

Hella Kaiser6 votes

Yasuo is not op, he's just a cancer. You can deal with him but it's still annoying and he's gonna remove the word fun from your game even if you carry and win.

dnsup2 votes

{quoted}

Yasuo is not op, he's just a cancer. You can deal with him but it's still annoying and he's gonna remove the word fun from your game even if you carry and win.

I think this is closer to the truth. I understand that people want to defend Riot and defend Riot's balance decisions. Nonetheless, the tendency of the community to cannibalize anyone who complains (even if inarticulately, imprecisely, or inaccurately) about kits that encourage annoyance (rather than competitive determination) is a serious turn-off to outsiders and new players.

Trash MammaI10 votes

Yasuo isn't overpowered, no. He most certainly is broken though. His early game is too strong. He's suppose to be weak early and a hyper carry late game. If it goes against intended design then it's broken

I don't think he needs flat out nerfs but he most certainly does need to be toned down early game given how strong his late game is

Ahristocats9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2017-02-28T18:24:20.871+0000)

His early game is too strong.

you lost to yasuo with janna toplane and called his early game too strong

this is honestly how i see people talking about his early game, because from all the toplane champs i play no one loses to him if i were to talk seriously only GP would lose to him because of his trash early game

MadManApocalypse9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=000200020000,timestamp=2017-02-28T18:38:22.395+0000)

you lost to yasuo with janna toplane and called his early game too strong

this is honestly how i see people talking about his early game, because from all the toplane champs i play no one loses to him if i were to talk seriously only GP would lose to him because of his trash early game

Illaoi can get her ass handed to her if yas runs top too.

Yas just has to be on top of his E game.

Faceroll Tactics8 votes

Yasuo does well in a few matchups, that means his early is too strong!

Trash MammaI3 votes

Was that an example or did you mean me cause I think you looked up the wrong person as I have never played Janna top vs Yasuo.

Also I'm trying to work on my wording better but by too strong im meaning too safe. Between warlords, his passive shield, and windwall his E (allowing to be near impossible to hit with skill shots) and his Q's broken hitbox he doesn't have a hard enough time even vs counters. Yea, there are those super hard counters like pantheon or olaf or something but even then he can farm pretty safely against them. Take someone like Vayne. Her early game is pure trash and she gets bullied by just about everyone Come late game though she's running over people. That's how it should be and that's not the case with Yasuo

Ahristocats2 votes

i said you played janna with sarcasm, because that's how i see people talking about his early game, they picked trash toplaners

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002000200000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T19:10:48.444+0000) Between warlords

No yasuo players take it anymore at least in high elo, it's simply too weak compared to fervor, fervor is better on melee champions and trash on ranged champs who take warlord by default

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002000200000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T19:10:48.444+0000) , his passive shield,

compensated by trash base stats, which means that yasuo is only strong once every 30 sec

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002000200000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T19:10:48.444+0000) and windwall

long cooldown spell that can be used to remove one projectile because afterwards the wall is moving and i hope you aren't retarded to throw everything on it beside, toplane champs have rarely a projectile

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002000200000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T19:10:48.444+0000) his E (allowing to be near impossible to hit with skill shots)

yes, except that it has 0.5 sec cd i think i don't remember (he maxes Q now first), which means yasuo can't permanently use E without you to hit him with skill shots

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002000200000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T19:10:48.444+0000) and his Q's broken hitbox he doesn't have a hard enough time even vs counters.

i don't see how this will make him strong in early game

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002000200000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T19:10:48.444+0000) Yea, there are those super hard counters like pantheon or olaf

rumble darius poppy riven(skill match up) renekton maokai(who gets infinity sustain because yasuo spams spells) the majority of toplane destroys him

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002000200000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T19:10:48.444+0000) or something but even then he can farm pretty safely against them.

He can't except maybe poppy

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002000200000001,timestamp=2017-02-28T19:10:48.444+0000) Take someone like Vayne. Her early game is pure trash and she gets bullied by just about everyone Come late game though she's running over people. That's how it should be and that's not the case with Yasuo

that's exactly the same thing with Yasuo, he does no damage in early game compared to any strong early game champion. his Q cast time and cd in early game are too high to allow him to do anything, same for his base stats

Maddened King 2 votes

You forgot the man that truly butchers Yasuo. Malzahar

MadManApocalypse2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-28T15:50:51.632+0000)

This whole thread was destroying by something

yasuo isn't nerfed not because of lcs but because yasuo doesn't need nerfs

and i'm not a yasuo main, just someone who understood how to play the game

Yas doesn't need nerfs thats true, but he just needs to be hit with a bat. Not the nerf bat, just a bat. Cause I hate playing against that E spam Minigame of whack a mole.

Llehctim2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-02-28T15:50:51.632+0000)

This whole thread was destroying by something

yasuo isn't nerfed not because of lcs but because yasuo doesn't need nerfs

and i'm not a yasuo main, just someone who understood how to play the game

Could you actually stop going around trying to "debunk" people's complaint threads when the only thing you're known for here is whining your ass off?

Anyone who's seen your posts knows you're an impulsive baby who rage posts on emotion, then you jump in these other threads trying to sound like the calm, objective voice of unbiased reason. I know your kind~

Myrddin25 votes

Warwick is broken? 49% win rate, are you sure?

Trash MammaI9 votes

The post says in URF not in normals. I find him perfectly fine in a real game. In URF where he gets 75% damage reduction permanently and a fear on to it no, he's not. He can easily solo teams cause of it

Joxcab37 votes

So what? Everything is broken in URF. Deal with it.

Trash MammaI2 votes

That's my point. Riot said they had no intention of "balancing' temporary modes. Yet that's exactly what they did while leaving others unchanged who clearly deserved it.

Sona was an issue the first time URF came around. (not sure how she made it past pbe testing) the 2nd time it came around they added a debuff to reduce healing that eventually scales back up into late game. That's balancing. Warwick can 1v5 once he gets his E at max rank. There's no changes to him though (not sure again how that made it past pbe testing)

I agree it's URF and it just needs to be delt with but if that's the case then they need to remove the debuff. They even limited traps that can be placed by certain champs for the sake of balance. Yet they clearly said "our intentions are never to balance temporary game modes"

Jinzo Torrance6 votes

Yeah sure, too bad some champs got nerfed specifically for being too broken on URF. They also changed it to AR URF so you can't pick the broken champs that survived ban phase and get garbage that will only feed who got the broken one.

dunder kill6 votes

Yasuo isnt. He has no meaningful cooldowns or resources to manage to begin with :^)

Glîtchy3 votes

{quoted}

Warwick is broken? 49% win rate, are you sure?

49% win rate is actually not even close to broken, I remember when Zed had like 55% or 60% win rate. (I swear balance team must all be Zed mains)

DarkRitual18 votes

He didn't take smite bot. He took smite, and jungled.

Not judging him or wookie at all, but you are heavily misstating some facts.

Trash MammaI7 votes

My bad I went back to read up on it and totally read wrong on that

serenity710 votes

Riot says they don&#039;t enforce the meta &gt; enforces the meta by adding dynamic queue/autofill &gt; doesn&#039;t say shit about the meta when mages go bot &gt; gets pissy when a guy takes smite bot

Riot doesn't say shit about when mages go bot because  people aren't reporting the mages. In fact, they nerfed "support mages" like Malz for doing their job too well. Riot is not enforcing the meta. Riot didn't ban support singed or nunu or whatever for playing off meta.** Riot banned him because the community reported him.** That means enough people had a negative experience in game because of this player for Riot to take notice. Why should it matter if he has a good winrate, or if his strategy supposedly works, if he is making the game a bad experience for others?

The expectation for someone playing support is that they are supposed to be bot lane in a 2v2, at least in the beginning of the game when it is critical for the adc to farm and level up. According to Riot's bans, it is not okay for your "off-meta strategy" to be to leave someone in a 1v2 when they did not agree to a 1v2. This is going to put them behind, or at least force them to passively farm under tower for the first half of the game. I can't understand why people think that is okay. The same goes for a support taking smite and taking camps from their own jungle. Enough players considered this to be a bad experience and thats why they reported the singed and nunu support. Riot responded to the community the way they should.

To me Riot's response was completely reasonable. It's not okay for someone to use an "off meta strategy" that negatively impacts other players. To get banned he must have been reported many times. If his strategy was so good, he wouldn't be getting reported, even in the games he won. You should have to fulfill the basic expectations of your role. If that's considered enforcing the meta, so be it. My boyfriend mained Dr.Mundo support with smite in ranked for years and has never been banned. I don't believe this is a meta issue. Riot really needs the lay down clearer rules for what off meta strategies can and can't do without their teammates agreeing.

Handin Out Naps5 votes

Riot did well removing balance from gameplay & balance awhile ago. I think its time to get rid of gameplay too. I think this place needs to actually just only be memes & games at this point. Because its the only thing people in this place actually know how to do properly.

Synnx74 votes

Can't wait for rito to go bankrupt

vOmvbrawfU4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Simple Tora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-28T15:31:39.931+0000)

Riot says they don&#039;t enforce the meta &gt; enforces the meta by adding dynamic queue/autofill &gt; doesn&#039;t say shit about the meta when mages go bot &gt; gets pissy when a guy takes smite bot

Seriously though, how dense are you? This guy was not punished for "taking smite bot". He was punished for getting queued as support and NOT supporting. There is nothing wrong with taking smite as support. If people got banned for "playing off meta", then Ziggs APC would have never happened. I would be banned for playing Fiddles top, or full tank Fiddles, because those aren't meta. But you're not banned for playing off meta. It's really not a difficult concept and I'm not sure why people like you have such a hard time understanding it.

Glîtchy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sharkbait Ohaha,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n57ABrU9,comment-id=0016,timestamp=2017-02-28T23:35:08.003+0000)

Seriously though, how dense are you? This guy was not punished for "taking smite bot". He was punished for getting queued as support and NOT supporting. There is nothing wrong with taking smite as support. If people got banned for "playing off meta", then Ziggs APC would have never happened. I would be banned for playing Fiddles top, or full tank Fiddles, because those aren't meta. But you're not banned for playing off meta. It's really not a difficult concept and I'm not sure why people like you have such a hard time understanding it.

By the logic they used for banning the smite support, I should've been banned several times over, for playing Akali jg, Veigar ADC (as in AD Veigar at bot), and AD Syndra jg

I swear no one will ever let Riot live it down. XD

EDIT: The 3 I mentioned were only in normals with friends.

ModAcademy Kayn4 votes

I don't see how Dynamic Que enforces Meta? Do you mean the whole "1 top, 1 Jng, 1 Mid, 2 Bot"? The thing, ya know, players decided and stuck with since Season 2. Also, it wasn't Support takes smite bot. It's Support takes support role, but decides he wants to jungle instead.

That isn't balancing a Temp mode. It's making it so some things aren't brokenly obnoxious, PAST the line of OPness URF is meant to have. That's literally the one thing they do, and you act like it applies to all Temp modes.

Nerfing to tolerable state? What dictates Tolerable? That's subjective, and you're not going to get two half's of a spectrum to agree on what is tolerable, as people see it differently. There's a reason why Pro's don't complain about LeeSin as much as lower elo's do.

Removing the counter to stealth made it so they don't have to burst in a single fast rotation to be viable. This resulted in several damage nerfs for many assassins, as to lower the Time to Kill, and increased time to react for opponents. Don't ignore other changes that took place.

Hyperbole with Rengar, the dude who can still be revealed by Pink Wards???

Flash has become common place in the game. People need to learn to deal with this. That doesn't stop other Masteries from being strong.

Love to see a source on that last one. I bet it's a real old one. Remember when Riot said they didn't think a Sandbox mode would be good for the game? Welp, we have one now. People's opinions and ideals change over time. That isn't hypocritical, it's getting new information that makes you change your mind.

dunder kill3 votes

Of all the broken things in the game you pick Zed and WW?

They're both in OK places for once and you pick those two?

Ahristocats3 votes

not saying that ww is op

but meddler said that he is op and they might reduce the damage cap of his Q on monsters and minions

Trash MammaI4 votes

In URF not normal games.

General Esdeath 3 votes

WookieCookie? What?

Me0wstic3 votes

The nunu ban case, first comment. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/FrILlWp7-14-day-ban-because-playing-nunu-support-with-smite-is-stealing-other-peoples-roles

The post has 1K+ comments atm [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Hyperiön2 votes

Well Moakai just took a big nerf to his laning phase so.

Raiyza2 votes

The main problem I have with Yasuo is the constant dashing in lane. Makes it very hard for all champions with skillshots. Plus windwall. Only point and click champions can fight him really.

deadlychuck2 votes

Even then, he has the capability to play around them via his shield, assuming some of those point and click abilities aren't "projectiles"

Support Position2 votes

100%.

TeCoolMage2 votes

Riot says their goal isn't to balance temp modes > adds a debuff that nerfs healing/shields etc, removes zzrot/banner due to balance > Puts URF on pbe yet all the broken shit in the game (edge of night,WW,zed etc.) still left untouched

Long term balance != not make the game completely broken and instead let it be slightly broken because it would be too much effort Complain about URF being broken > complain about spending too much time trying to fix URF

Riot says they'll never make recolors that we'd have to pay for > chromas

Wait, are we seriously going to start hating Riot for making Chromas after people wouldn't stop begging for it even though they said no? Complain about lack of chromas > complain about riot refusing to make chromas > complain about chromas being added

Riot says they don't want people being instagibbed from stealth with 0 chance to react > removes the counter to stealth

a 75 item to counter an ability completely isn't 'counterplay', it's 'stupid arbitrary item that warps balance and makes them broken everywhere else to compensate'. In turn they nerfed assassin damage but lethality might have reverted it to old amounts. But you know, just keep complaining about them fixing the game.

Riot says they don't enforce the meta > enforces the meta by adding dynamic queue/autofill > doesn't say shit about the meta when mages go bot > gets pissy when a guy takes smite bot

People complain about queues > complain about role selection > complain about mages being meta > complain about smite bot not being meta

This is why no one listens to the boards

TyroneWatermelon2 votes

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