List of Champions that deserve buffs for high elo

Ahristocats·Feb 7, 2017·5 votes·885 views

While buffing them won't destroy low elo because of decisions/mechanics that the champ has

supposed to be a tank, but in midgame dies to a mage support? same he's decent midlane while going full AP, but his intended build doesn't work nerf was good, but now she can't compete with other mages that 100-0 in 1 second, either we nerf the other mages or we buff her utility (Q stun duration, or Q projectile speed) he's garbage at all elo i think same what he brings seems to not be at the level of what thresh/lulu/nami/karma can bring please make this champion useful, i don't think low elo will complain about azir being buffed since no one can play him. he used to be overloaded but lost many tools in his kit, increase his ability to survive in lane that wa my azir doesn't die 3 times in lane against other mages falls off too quickly, literally doesn't have a passive what is this?

34 Comments

LauchmelderFeb 7, 20176 votes

There's still Azir mains in low elo m8, there are people that can play him. He's just too weak to carry all the time in every single game.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 7, 20171 votes

This. Not to mention Azir needs a specific team comp to do well in.

A team full of squishes is not his best scenario.

dunder killFeb 7, 20171 votes

Azir actually needs a specific comp less than most champs because he was a jack of all trades. He was good at about everything and could escape and peel for himself. Kind of one of the reasons he got guttered tbh

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 7, 20171 votes

Hmm. That's true. Though when I play Azir I do way better when we have some peel and engage to distract the enemy from me.

WalkingInACircleFeb 7, 20171 votes

He got gutted for being an ace of all trades.

dunder killFeb 7, 20171 votes

Uh. Thats what I said lol

dominusxFeb 7, 20172 votes

Aatrox needs buffs for every elo. xd

RalanrFeb 7, 20171 votes

Needs a rework before he can be buffed.

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20171 votes

pretty sure if you buff him he's going to destroy low elo, he wouldn't have been in the rework list else (don't even know if he's in lul)

that's why i didn't include champions like Fiddlesticks , he sucks everywhere atm but if you buff him he's going to destroy low elo

dominusxFeb 7, 20171 votes

F-U-C-K low elo i wanna cuck kids with him :p i legit missed playing him for some reason,

dunder killFeb 7, 20171 votes

You say that until you play him and realize how easy he is to play around. Then he goes right back to the nostalgia pile

dominusxFeb 7, 20171 votes

flash ghost and who needs to use Q anymore xD ( altho ghost nerfs dont allow the playstyle i used anymore qqqqqq)

dunder killFeb 7, 20171 votes

But then Janna just cockblocks you and you remember "oh yeah, thats why this champ is bad"

I mean you could still try him mid. The only reason he's guttered right now is because his Jungle clear is complete trash in the new jungle. Dont think he really got affected in lane

dominusxFeb 7, 20171 votes

janna cockblocks every playable champ in the game not just aatrox thats why i want her gutted into beeing unplayable

dunder killFeb 7, 20171 votes

Oops, thought we were talking about Fiddlesticks for some reason. Saw someone mention him in one of the comments

RalanrFeb 7, 20172 votes

I just wish Sion's base MS in his passive wasn't so slow. You don't even need to slow him, you can just outrun him and maybe just take one hit if you waited for the animation to end.

LostFr0stFeb 7, 20171 votes

I fear what the unbenched Kench will become post tank itemization update. I legitimately do.

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20172 votes

which means goodbye for support tk then

since if he goes support he can't afford to get tank items

LostFr0stFeb 7, 20171 votes

How are those two mutually exclusive? Why can't he be both; there'll probably be less bully laners bot so he'll be able to lane again.

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20171 votes

how exactly will be there less bully?

LostFr0stFeb 7, 20171 votes

Because everyone will want to play more tanks due to the new update and ADC will become the dominant role again because no one else will be able to kill them, thus bringing back tank jungles that gank and cc squishy dmg mage supports. Once that happens melee supports and utility mages become valued bot lane again.

Brain Errör 404Feb 7, 20171 votes

Tahm is still a pain in the ass now. Why would we buff him?

And Lucian is pretty strong with leth build. Just not as strong as the others. :p

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20171 votes

No, even with the lethality build lucian brings less damage than any adc and he has no utility, it's just no bueno

Tahm dies in mid game without being able to do anything of his job (except saving an ally with W that doesn't requiere time) His ulti isn't even skilled by players in high elo at level 6

PoskeFeb 7, 20171 votes

Nothing wrong with tahm in high elo Nothing wrong with Braum in high elo Gragas is probably the best tank jungler atm Anivia requires skill completly viable Lethality got buffed lucian is good Nidalee is kinda weak I agree with that Bard is great at high elo Azir is bad at high elo sadly.. Sion is bad at high elo People just dont understand that taric is weak pre level 4 but he is good in high elo

AhristocatsFeb 7, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mtouwlwJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-07T14:03:37.953+0000)

Nothing wrong with tahm in high elo Nothing wrong with Braum in high elo

dying in 2 seconds in teamfight in mid game, nothing wrong

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mtouwlwJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-07T14:03:37.953+0000) Gragas is probably the best tank jungler atm

he is trash comparing to any other jungler it doesn't matter that he's the best tank jungler, and the best is zac

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mtouwlwJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-07T14:03:37.953+0000) Anivia requires skill completly viable

ok?

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mtouwlwJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-07T14:03:37.953+0000) Lethality got buffed lucian is good

he isn't, his damage is still trash

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mtouwlwJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-07T14:03:37.953+0000) Bard is great at high elo

which explains why imqt spammed his support to pick karma instead of bard which he said is trash

Azir is bad at high elo sadly.. Sion is bad at high elo

[{quoted}](name=Sub HeroCro,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mtouwlwJ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-02-07T14:03:37.953+0000) People just dont understand that taric is weak pre level 4 but he is good in high elo

didn't cross a single taric in 400 ranked games

Wet DrymanFeb 7, 20171 votes

As a Gragas main I can say that he is shit comparing him to other meta junglers. His jungle clear is slow even though his every ability is AoE, he is outdueled by every Diver jungler there is (resulting in losing farm, exp and map presence the very things he is about as early/mid game tank), he has no reliable tools anymore since R and E nerfs besides E+flash combo (other tanks mostly have many reliable tools like Maokai WQ, Nautilus with his entire kit, Zac with his W and R etc.). In low elo if someone has some experience with him will do fine as I do but I honestly believe that your opponent that has half a brain in plat+ will make your life miserable. That's why I'm starting to favor AP Lane Grag over Jungle Tank Grag.

TyrekGoldenspearFeb 7, 20171 votes

I want Azir changes so badly. :( I want to play my emperor again.

Big LincolnFeb 7, 20171 votes

bard is pretty strong desu

meta just sucks for him rn

260k bard enthusiast

AptestFeb 7, 20171 votes

question: why do you feel this is the case? what kind of meta is best for bard?

Big LincolnFeb 7, 20171 votes

one that doesn't emphasize focusing jungle attention on bot lane

as a roaming support the worst thing for bard is his ADC getting ganked alone

AptestFeb 7, 20171 votes

i do not necessarily feel the same way.

I mean, in one sense i feel you are correct.

but on the other hand a jungler-centric meta is good for a support that wants to be on the map and doing things for/with/against said jungler.

why do you disagree?

Big LincolnFeb 7, 20171 votes

generally bard is best in lane if he can bully the enemy without interruption

that goes true for all lanes but bard is far more obligated to take his lead and roam mid; if his ADC gets bummed as soon as he leaves he could very easily lose his advantage

same reason I dodge when my ADC picks vayne desu, they have no concept of playing safe when they're alone

ZT XperimentorFeb 7, 20171 votes

I agree except for lucian & azir; do we really want them to be pick/ban status again? Some quality of life fixes I don't mind, but they were nerfed for several reasons.

AptestFeb 7, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mtouwlwJ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-07T13:49:14.073+0000)

what is this?

IMHO he is a very linear character. So, in chiming in to your previous thread, maybe it's better to buff other champions instead? (don't eat me taric mains).

Also I think he does ok? just need the correct comp for him?