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Preliminary statistics for 6.9 are out. Take a look at the new champion winrates!

Masala Chai··35 votes·6,524 views

Take these with a grain of salt. Check relativity with your favorite website (champion.gg, leagueofgraphs.com, op.gg etc.) All statistics were taken from na.op.gg. May not be applicable for EUW, EUNE, LAN, LAS, OCE etc. MAGE UPDATES Swain (rework) 34.39% for midlane Swain 35.13% for toplane Swain

Cassiopeia (rework) 35.80% for midlane Cass 39.04% for toplane Cass

Vladimir (rework) 40.84% for toplane Vlad 36.94% for midlane Vlad

Syndra (rework) 46.44% for midlane Syndra

Vel'Koz (rework) 47.39% for midlane Vel'Koz

Veigar (rework) 49.33% for midlane Veigar

Anivia (rework) 49.64% for midlane Anivia

Ziggs (rework) 49.81% for midlane Ziggs

Kennen (rework) 49.33% for midlane Kennen 50.6% for toplane Kennen

Xerath (rework) 50.08% for midlane Xerath

Zyra (rework) 50.88% for support Zyra 51.75% for mid Zyra

Brand (rework) 51.4% for midlane Brand

Viktor (rework) 52.78% for midlane Viktor

Annie (rework) 53.92% for midlane Annie

Fiddlesticks (rework) 53.99% for jungle Fiddle 53.02% for support Fiddle

Malzahar (rework) 54.35% for midlane Malzahar 57.79% for jungle Malzahar 56.39% for toplane Malzahar ** OTHER CHAMPIONS ** Devourer Junglers (removed item) Master Yi 42.43% Jax 44.28% Kayle 45.43% Shyvana 45.81% Xin Zhao 46.83% Warwick 49.79% Kindred 49.87%

QSS Rework Fiora 48.31% Trundle 50.13% Zed 49.32% fck it too lazy. I'll do it after I'm done with essay.

112 Comments

ViashinoWizard40 votes

"These changes will ruin Viktor!"

winrate skyrockets

Big Lincoln9 votes

yeah I'll admit I was dead wrong about viktor

but I'm still going to attribute this to overbuffed numbers

Supreme Senpai692 votes

It could also be that he was only difficult because people needed to re-learn him, instead of using him the same way as before the update.

Blacknemesist5 votes

If the initial "idea" for a viktor rework went through noone would play him. He felt non-responsive and his damage was a joke with a delay. Thank the feedback for the state of viktor, if riot had their way viktor would be not only really below the tier he is now but also a champion that gave no satisfaction to play.

Adolf Hit R2 votes

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"These changes will ruin Viktor!"

winrate skyrockets

The problem is that he feels like shit to play. His Q and ult are strong, but his E is clunky and annoying.

Quepha14 votes

Neat stuff.

Although it's pretty annoying to me that players act like a class update combined with big objective changes should be perfectly balanced upon release. Or that undertuned numbers mean a champion kit is total garbage and can never be good.

The Bíg Ticket11 votes

Jax 42%...where is the hotfix?

Masala Chai4 votes

sorry I'll get started on Devourer junglerssss.....

The Bíg Ticket5 votes

I will make it easy for you: They all have sub 45% winrates except Kindred who is as broken as before.

Masala Chai3 votes

4 sig figs for each number doe. Keep in mind these are NA statistics, and not EUW statistics.

Shadow Hazard2 votes

Just slightly better across the board for dev champs, still not good overall.

Meep Man11 votes

So basically, if these win rates don't change:

Needs Buffs

  • Swain
  • Cassiopeia
  • Syndra
  • Vel'Koz
  • Master Yi
  • Jax
  • Kayle
  • Shyvana
  • Xin Zhao

Balanced, Maybe Extremely Small Tuning

  • Veigar
  • Anivia
  • Ziggs
  • Kennen
  • Xerath
  • Zyra
  • Brand
  • Viktor
  • Warwick
  • Kindred (didn't use Devourer)
  • Fiora
  • Trundle
  • Zed

Probably Needs Nerfs

  • Annie
  • Fiddlesticks
  • Malzahar

I gotta say, for such a large rework, there isn't too many OP people. Of course, tons of UP people, but I would rather there be a small amount of OP and a decent amount of UP than a large amount of OP and a small amount of UP.

Guy Fox Teemo4 votes

I don't think Vel'Koz needs buffs, I think people jsut need to adjust that you need to land the full combo before getting massive damage on your R.

SeargentAnus3 votes

If they allowed his ult to apply one stack of his passive he'd feel great. Right now his entire combo along with his ult will only apply one stack of his passive.

Guy Fox Teemo4 votes

His ult will also deal pure true damage, which at rank one is 500 - (Thats a lot for lvl 6)

The Fast4 votes

They made vel'koz effectively single target, which is the issue here.

Sire Hippington9 votes

well, winrates don't show the full picture.

Most swains for example still seem to max E first, which is as usfull as maxing E first on Ashe... Most Velkoz now max Q, though maxing W still is way superior nearly 40% of all syndra players are now new to her while she was hardly played by anyone but mains befor, and her winrate for experinced players is about as high as it was befor

Drackolus8 votes

Soraka dropped in winrate AND ban rate to a normal level! Woohoo! I get to play my main again Soraka

Lady Hammerlock8 votes

Looks like all the Viktor whining in the boards was wrong lol

charcharmunro7 votes

Galio is also crushing midlane and toplane, though I think that may be a mix of low playrate, everybody playing mages, him basically ignoring Malzahar, and new Catalyst being a great tool on him.

junglerboy165 votes

Not to mention Protobelt giving him an option other than Flash to get into range for his ult. It might not be gamebreakingly good, but it definitely buffs him.

Zedex2 votes

Lol lets be honest, its like 4 units.

Athenes Lulu11 votes

It's like Malphite and Rammus top getting high winrates all over again because they shit on ADs.

Galio is just the "mage version" of that.

Evewynn5 votes

I wonder just how much these reduction to win rates are due to people getting use to the champion kits, as opposed to the champs just being flat-out weak (swain and cass aside, as rates that low could never be accounted for simple remastery).

I think that malz will likely get nerfed again sometime after the hotfix, but his lack of mobility may make up for how safe his passive makes him. Definitely a tad on the oppressive side though.

I look forward to seeing how riot will handle this, as I am sure that riot wanted the net change for most mages to be slightly stronger than before to make up for their underperformance this season.

MrLlamaWaffle5 votes

The new fiddle feels great. I'm surprised by the syndra winrate, i thought she was very good

CoTheSlow2 votes

Even before the update I don't think her win rate was much higher.

Adolf Hit R3 votes

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Even before the update I don't think her win rate was much higher.

It didn't actually change, which makes sense because the changes are about net neutral.

Dar Raksada1 votes

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The new fiddle feels great. I'm surprised by the syndra winrate, i thought she was very good

He feels much clunkier now, some of the new items are good on him, but his changes definitely put me off playing him.

MrLlamaWaffle2 votes

Why are people over using this word "clunky"? I don't think that word means what you think it means, lol.

He's literally the same champion with extra bounces on E, lower range on Q, drain is better early game and got some QoL changes to his ultimate. He's the same champion and plays the exact same way, lol.

Not to mention he's technically better since his winrate is up to 53%

Guy Fox Teemo1 votes

what are you talking about? He feels amazing, all of teh changes to him , were basically ALL buffs, his passive change was a buff, they lowered the W down to 4 second cd, and his e now throws for 7 times instead of 4. His R also does more damage. :l

Dar Raksada1 votes

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what are you talking about? He feels amazing, all of teh changes to him , were basically ALL buffs, his passive change was a buff, they lowered the W down to 4 second cd, and his e now throws for 7 times instead of 4. His R also does more damage. :l

First off, feel is a subjective thing I don't agree that he feels better/smoother now

The passive was a change, not a straight buff, I preferred the old passive.

His q range got reduced -> straight nerf

His w cd got changed not straight lowered as it now starts after your drain ends, which means the cd is higher in the jungle, tho it's probably better in teamfights.

His E was a straight buff from 5 to 7, not from 4 to 7

I don't recall reading an R damage buff, though you'd have to balance it against them having 10 more mr than they normally would (passive).

Edit: checked and there is no R damage buff in the patch notes. Seeing as they reduced the AP on some items fidd uses, like zhonya's and abyssal, and enemies now have 10 additional mr the only way I could see it doing more damage is if you need to chase a lot during it and the minor speedbuff would make the difference.

Do note that I'm not arguing he got nerfed, just that he changed in a way I don't enjoy playing as much.

layrit5 votes

It is worth pointing out that those winrates (especially on low playrate champs like Zyra, Swain) are skewed down at the moment because people who are unfamiliar with them are trying out the changes.

thumbnail93 votes

Wow I thought ziggs would be higher up due to his ability to completely deny objective protection with his charge.

junglerboy164 votes

At the point where a tower is low enough to kill with satchel charge, it's either mid game and grouped pushing has begun anyway, or it's late game and he's cleaning up unprotected towers. It seems like a rare case where he actually makes a significant boost in his pushing speed, but I guess it could be different for everyone.

thumbnail94 votes

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At the point where a tower is low enough to kill with satchel charge, it's either mid game and grouped pushing has begun anyway, or it's late game and he's cleaning up unprotected towers. It seems like a rare case where he actually makes a significant boost in his pushing speed, but I guess it could be different for everyone.

At the same time, how would you ever protect inhib turrets from him? The amount of time saved by that ability is absurd when played right. Think of all the times you stall out in a push where a turret gets left at that 35% or lower. This ability is maybe more massive to pro play than pubs.

Igotlazy3 votes

Are these statistics based on games from the release of the patch until now, or just a few hours after the patch dropped? I'm never too sure when it comes to these data collecting sites.

-Overall some champs are just blatantly UP even when you consider that people need time to learn them. (Cass, Swain and Vlad). -Some champs need to be toned down (definitely Malz, probs Annie). -I'm surprised that Fiddlesticks and Viktor are doing so well considering people's initial reaction to their changes.

YumaS2Astral4 votes

{quoted}

Are these statistics based on games from the release of the patch until now, or just a few hours after the patch dropped? I'm never too sure when it comes to these data collecting sites.

-Overall some champs are just blatantly UP even when you consider that people need time to learn them. (Cass, Swain and Vlad). -Some champs need to be toned down (definitely Malz, probs Annie). -I'm surprised that Fiddlesticks and Viktor are doing so well considering people's initial reaction to their changes.

mobility on Fiddlesticks is extremely welcome. He has always been very immobile. Also, his previous passive was relevant early at best and non-existant once they had a single magic resistance item or once the enemy support purchased a item 3190

Overall, Fiddlesticks' changes put him into a good spot. I am reconsidering playing Fiddlesticks mid once again even though he is primarily a jungler

warpenguin5553 votes

master yi has a 42% winrate huh. can we keep him there?

swain needs massive buffs tho

Xilixer2 votes

the problem with vel'koz is for his ult to matter you HAVE to activate passive before ult. whereas before you could just throw out an ult and be good.

Wolfram Oxford2 votes

So am I the only one that feels like Cass was one of the minor changes...they basically fucked with her passive for no reason and made her w a little bit better, not to mention E range nerf and CD. They pretty much nerfed her tbh.

ll League God ll1 votes

devourer doesnt exist anymore you tool...

Vistha Kai61 votes

You are a tool.

He obviously listed junglers previously using Devourer as their jungle item of choice.

Sum Wun Speshal23 votes

This was painful to read. I feel physical cringe when people become arrogant when they obviously miss the point.

alfavhunter1 votes

They ruined anivias R

It's Worse for zone control now because you never get to charge it to max

Mister Support2 votes

Really? I think she's more powerful utility wise from the changes. Hell I tried her support a few times and loved it. The total size is larger, to where you set it and after 2ish seconds it will cover wall to tower, making the enemy back off. It's just having to plan ahead of time where it's needed, and making use of it more as a zone tool to force the enemy in a desired path or they take free damage. Though I do agree on expanse time being too high.

PikaCHU5671 votes

It's nice to see Zyra is starting to be played a lot more often. :o

Solari Fortune5 votes

Its not fun having your main contested

PenguinOverlord81 votes

Jesus Christ the feeling of having you main banned or picked is just ew. Zyra is my most played and it's really gross seeing other people play her for a change xD. I think she is pretty balanced so I hope plant mama zyra won't become popular or nerfed, ect. Also while playing supp zyra someone told me that "Her q is busted and you need to be leveling it first" omg I wanted to throw up at that statement xD. Do people not realize that you almost always level up her e?

Solari Fortune1 votes

I level Q first, granted I play Mid Zyra not Support

Vekkna1 votes

Yeah, that sick OP 180 damage at rank 5. So strong. It's not worth leveling first over E when e does more damage and scales your cc. Ever. Q is trash.

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