too many people are buying support items in non support roles

SwiftKitten88··2 votes·279 views

Lets delete sightstone and trackers knife. that will fix the issue -Riot [sg-miss-fortune]

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Nyloaf5 votes

they're actually figuring out ways to try and fix the whole "people are taking support items into other lanes" thing. they're thinking of making it so that killing a minion temporarily disables the gold income from the items.

imo, that's still a terrible idea tbh :/

SwiftKitten881 votes

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they're actually figuring out ways to try and fix the whole "people are taking support items into other lanes" thing. they're thinking of making it so that killing a minion temporarily disables the gold income from the items.

imo, that's still a terrible idea tbh :/ yeah that's a horrible idea, you want to know why their so strong?

lets see frost fang Cost 850: Gold Value

20 ability power = Gold 435
10% cooldown reduction = Gold 266.67
50% base mana regeneration = Gold 250
    Total Gold Value = Gold 951.67 

Gold Efficiency*

Frostfang is 111.96% gold efficient without its passive effects.

now if we add the sightstone passive at 400 gold (becuase we dont get the hp from slightstone)

we get

20 ability power = Gold 435
10% cooldown reduction = Gold 266.67
50% base mana regeneration = Gold 250
sightstone = 400
    Total Gold Value = Gold 1351.67 

Eye of Frost is 159.06% gold efficient WITHOUT the passive effect

so of course the other bloody lanes are going to buy, it its bloody fucking OP for the price.

yet at the same time what it upgrades into is TRASH in comparison to it

The raw stats gained from upgrading item 3098 to item 3092 are 90.48% gold efficient (15 ability power and 200 health for Gold 950). Note that, once you've completed the Quest, it will also grant you an additional ward in stock.

therefore any support in their right mind would just go on and build thier next core support item be it tanky, utility , + shielding or whatnot.

what riot had BEFORE was a sightstone that woudl cold buy, and even upgrade to give 20% item cdr

we had actives so we woudl want to rush things like item 3312 for the active effect, and upgrading it removes restriction of killing minions

it was well thought out and well implemented.

these new things are NOT.

its a shitty idea, implemented without proper math, without thinking of the consequences. the T3 items will never be built until the last item because not only are they sub 100% stat efficiency, they give you no useful thing and delay your next core item.

riot completely fucked over the changes...

give us sight-stone and our active items back..

all you did was make it even MORE efficient for non supports to buy the damn item with these changes, and WORSE for the actual support who SHOULD be wanting to upgrade it into t3, but now don't because t3 is trash.

Nyloaf2 votes

i.. wasnt expecting that response but i like the enthusiasm.

i agree with you though :/ there needs to be a solution, but all of the ones riot has tried to introduce are just as terrible as straight up murdering the support role entirely.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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i.. wasnt expecting that response but i like the enthusiasm.

i agree with you though :/ there needs to be a solution, but all of the ones riot has tried to introduce are just as terrible as straight up murdering the support role entirely.

it just amazing to me riot cant even do that simple math and realize WHY they changes they are made the issue WORSE than it even was to begin with.

you want to get people from role not design to buy an item to stop buying it.. so what do u do?

you make it the most gold efficient item in the game... and then since your already gave it everything it needs at t2, you make the t3 not only worthless but you actually get LESS for it than you paid.

Ok sure but why4 votes

I remember when those support items were simply listed as "Gold income items"

good times

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