No one talking about how Dark Harvest has literally broken pyke now?

Hibeki·Nov 21, 2018·57 votes·20,055 views

For some reason, ulting someone will proc dark harvest which can lower them into execute threshold.

With the base damage buff, lethality change, and dark harvest, without even completing an item pyke can have a 425 damage ult....

+ 12 ad in new runes, 57 bonus AD. which adds about 45 damage to his ult. Already at 297.

17 Lethality from rune and dirk adds another 25.

So alone, without dark harvest hes at 322.

With dark harvest, this adds 65 damage (lets say hes level 8) plus an extra 15 from the bonus AD portion, and lets say 3 souls for another 24 for a total of 104 damage.

426 damage with level one execute.

Without his ult base damage buff of 50 and lethality changes, he'd be down 75 damage, coupled with dark harvest, meaning from release his level 1 ult damage has basically increased by 179. What the fuck riot.

59 Comments

DarkTree1Nov 21, 201841 votes

old DH: "if i farm safely through laning phase with a generally low damage and infrequently-proccing keystone on this specific champion, i can do a lot of burst damage lategame!/if i have a good earlygame and farm a lot as a jungler, i'm able to scale quite well into the lategame, to counteract my champion's poor lategame agency!"

new DH: "hburr durr press button on enemy who have little red do big damage"

ModAcademy KaynNov 21, 201814 votes

You kidding me? Old Dark Harvest is the Face of the Boards hate on damage overload. It's front loaded damage, it's unconditional other than needing to kill x minion, and was about as interactive as the new one is. At least the new one forces you to put some effort into collecting souls for the damage boost.

saltranNov 21, 20182 votes

As a MF player I miss old DH, because this one once it's nerfed will be way worse.

ProzzakNov 21, 20181 votes

It is already worse late game, but better early game. I really do not like the change overall because I am a late game player but meh shit happens.

DarkTree1Nov 21, 20183 votes

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You kidding me? Old Dark Harvest is the Face of the Boards hate on damage overload. It's front loaded damage, it's unconditional other than needing to kill x minion, and was about as interactive as the new one is. At least the new one forces you to put some effort into collecting souls for the damage boost.

i personally didn't see that many complaints about DH past preseason when its soul collection rates were neutered in comparison to stuff like electrocute, conq, aery, comet, etc. i personally found it the tamest out of the other pure damage keystones on laners, but on junglers it was probably unhealthy especially on abusers like rengar and graves. i just think in comparison the amount of... effort, i guess to actually get to a point where DH did good damage is severely lowered and now it can be used on pretty much everyone, instead of it being a sorta niche rune that's lategame focused and only good on champions who have autos as an integral part of their damage in comparison to electrocute which is typically used on casters. IMO both are unhealthy, the current iteration is even worse than the previous.

HÔPÊNov 21, 20181 votes

Put some effort? I am just walking and killing everybody coz of how bullshit this new DH is. We need less dmg in the game, not more.

HibekiNov 21, 20188 votes

While I agree, I also think the new one is EVEN WORSE.

Remember when evryone hated Summon Aery because anyone can take it since its just 'more damage'? This is that but better. Literally any champ in th egame can take this rune and do well with it.

BeersteinNov 21, 201828 votes

That's cause everyone is talking about dark harvest being OP on EVERYONE right now (except junglers). Catch up :P

HibekiNov 21, 201812 votes

Right, but this is so disparingly broken he deserves disabled for it.

MykedejongNov 21, 20181 votes

disable a champ for a ''broken'' rune? seems a lil overboard and dunno why all the threads about ''this is so bs this is so op'' its preseason. alot will be changed and tweaked if needed.

HibekiNov 21, 20184 votes

This is like half a champions health at level 8.

Right now, just in perspective, with dark harvest he actually has the best execute in the game.

The most damage, no stacking or any prior interaction, resetting AND gold granting. It's strictly better than Cho'gath, Darius, or any other execute.

Hes STILL over the top even without this rune. He needs IMMEDIATE balance adjustment.

SwiftKitten88Nov 21, 20181 votes

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That's cause everyone is talking about dark harvest being OP on EVERYONE right now (except junglers). Catch up :P

not to mention Pyke was already OP so it doesn't even change anything XD

Blackii7Nov 22, 20181 votes

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That's cause everyone is talking about dark harvest being OP on EVERYONE right now (except junglers). Catch up :P

Junglers are the only one that don't benefit much from dark harvest, how ironic.

Bears Dont CareNov 22, 20181 votes

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Junglers are the only one that don't benefit much from dark harvest, how ironic.

Went from being something junglers mostly picked to something everyone else picked.

AnnieOnlyTRickNov 21, 201814 votes

nasus with dark harvest [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Need Gold 4 TentNov 21, 20185 votes

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nasus with dark harvest [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Except it now sucks because you can't farm it off cannons.

AnnieOnlyTRickNov 21, 20184 votes

stormrazor nasus top

TotalJerkNov 21, 20181 votes

Lotta top laners Nasus probably shouldn't be getting low enough to regularly get stacks from.

Done25Nov 21, 201810 votes

EDIT: Never mind, ignore the OP.

I JUST tested this in the Practice tool. Dark Harvest is considered part of the ability that procs it. If you try to execute someone who's 1 HP above the true damage threshold it will not deal true damage.

In fact, you can't even use DH to reset his ult at all. At 100% armor penetration my ult did not become recastable after killing outside the execution zone.

HibekiNov 21, 20181 votes

From my experience practically every game ive seen, hes ultid someone above the execute threshold and dark harvest finishes them for a reset.

Done25Nov 21, 20181 votes

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From my experience practically every game ive seen, hes ultid someone above the execute threshold and dark harvest finishes them for a reset.

From what you've seen, or from what you've personally tested in a controlled environment?

OleandervineNov 21, 20189 votes

Pyke has already been OP, it's just he's one of those sleeper champions that hasn't managed to blow shit up yet. His lane sustain is much too ridiculous as it is, and the fact that there's no decay or limit to his healing, which increases in potency as he levels, is poised to make him a monster once he gets more extended play.

Jhins GirlfriendNov 21, 20188 votes

Honestly I'm just seeing everyone run it on every champ rn because it's so busted, lol

KmSneakyNov 21, 20186 votes

And no one to just admit pyke has been broken since release anyway with or without this new dark harvest ?

ValiantKillerNov 21, 20185 votes

I mean i legit made a post about this champions able to abuse the hell out of dark havest but people made fun of me, Darius Pyke Urgot Chogath Garen etc

But right people keep making fun of people that understand what that going to do to game then say oh my god why game is so broken.

Done25Nov 21, 20183 votes

In fact, you can't even use DH to reset his ult at all. At 100% armor penetration my ult did not become recastable after killing outside the execution zone.

wolviusNov 22, 20182 votes

Dark harvest itself is broken......but hilarious, it's just so funny when you throw down a trundle pillar or jarvan flag and it just chunks them. [sg-syndra] Also ARAM snowball procs it, those pesky enemies under tower don't know what hit em. https://img00.deviantart.net/693a/i/2017/128/e/4/fanart_tahm_kench_league_of_legends_by_joaowvagner-db8jntn.png

Modl Ryden lNov 21, 20181 votes

Bro watchu know about DH + Shiled Bash Viktor?

mack9112Nov 21, 20181 votes

Old dark harvest was so busted on so many champs it removed so much interactivity from the game .

I see no problem with a 45second cooldown scaling rune .

Also pyke needs Aftershock to be relevant

JaspersNov 21, 20183 votes

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I see no problem with a 45second cooldown scaling rune .

If it was only 45 seconds it might be fine but "COOLDOWN: 45 seconds, reset to 1.5 seconds on champion takedown"

This is the issue with Pyke. DH reset's with his Ult resets.

mack9112Nov 21, 20181 votes

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If it was only 45 seconds it might be fine but "COOLDOWN: 45 seconds, reset to 1.5 seconds on champion takedown"

This is the issue with Pyke. DH reset's with his Ult resets.

If pyke is trading Aftershock for dark harvest I am not complaining

JaspersNov 21, 20182 votes

I've only played a few ARAMs this patch, a Pyke honestly walked over everyone in it because he had DH, no one else did. In another game, a Kog Maw had DH, he was popping us for 1000 damage on his ult.

mack9112Nov 21, 201811 votes

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I've only played a few ARAMs this patch, a Pyke honestly walked over everyone in it because he had DH, no one else did. In another game, a Kog Maw had DH, he was popping us for 1000 damage on his ult.

But Aram can't possibly be a good way of determining balance since everybody perpetually sits at low healthy main it an easy environment to farm stacks.

The whole point is you have to get the enemy below 50% to proc it.

JaspersNov 21, 20181 votes

You are right but it shows extremes. Old Dark Harvest was nerfed twice in ARAM. This version still adds damage and stacks and it's the stacking feature that is the issue. In lane on SR, it's probably more balanced, you'll trade once when they are below 50% and they'll back off, the additional damage just adds kill potential, while old Dark Harvest just enhanced a first auto, your less likely to get the 'takedown' reset on SR too but in ARAM, you'll get 4 from first big fight because a take down isn't only your kill, it's assists too.

In the last 2 days, Pyke's win rate in ARAM has gone from 52% to 56%. Most other AD assassins, like Rengar, Kha or Zed sit at below 50% win rate all the time.

mack9112Nov 21, 20183 votes

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You are right but it shows extremes. Old Dark Harvest was nerfed twice in ARAM. This version still adds damage and stacks and it's the stacking feature that is the issue. In lane on SR, it's probably more balanced, you'll trade once when they are below 50% and they'll back off, the additional damage just adds kill potential, while old Dark Harvest just enhanced a first auto, your less likely to get the 'takedown' reset on SR too but in ARAM, you'll get 4 from first big fight because a take down isn't only your kill, it's assists too.

In the last 2 days, Pyke's win rate in ARAM has gone from 52% to 56%. Most other AD assassins, like Rengar, Kha or Zed sit at below 50% win rate all the time.

We will have to see how it plays out as it stands dark harvest is already receiving a hot fix nerf.

GilgayuNov 21, 20181 votes

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I've only played a few ARAMs this patch, a Pyke honestly walked over everyone in it because he had DH, no one else did. In another game, a Kog Maw had DH, he was popping us for 1000 damage on his ult.

Losing to a kog is sad, he is one of the worst adc rn and if he went full ap (assuming cause of the 1000 dmg), he should have mana problems, just shut him down...

WoonStruckNov 21, 20182 votes

You shouldn't have mana problems on Kog unless you're spamming your ult off CD 24/7 like a monkey.

Morgana UltimaNov 21, 20181 votes

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For some reason, ulting someone will proc dark harvest which can lower them into execute threshold.

With the base damage buff, lethality change, and dark harvest, without even completing an item pyke can have a 425 damage ult....

+ 12 ad in new runes, 57 bonus AD. which adds about 45 damage to his ult. Already at 297.

17 Lethality from rune and dirk adds another 25.

So alone, without dark harvest hes at 322.

With dark harvest, this adds 65 damage (lets say hes level 8) plus an extra 15 from the bonus AD portion, and lets say 3 souls for another 24 for a total of 104 damage.

426 damage with level one execute.

Without his ult base damage buff of 50 and lethality changes, he'd be down 75 damage, coupled with dark harvest, meaning from release his level 1 ult damage has basically increased by 179. What the fuck riot.

I don't see a problem beyond pyke himself just being broken in general since day one.

SweedishGunnerNov 21, 20181 votes

It's broken everyone, not just Pyke.

Lil Homie bustaNov 21, 20181 votes

True damage shouldn't proc DH.

Done25Nov 21, 20181 votes

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True damage shouldn't proc DH.

Why not? It's damage. It doesn't even work as how the OP described it.

rtbf225618241Nov 21, 20181 votes

Yes...it's fixed now.

ShablagooNov 21, 20181 votes

Not just pyke everything, Im watching a video now and it seems broken one anything, even on mages too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUFRcRchUA

5050BSNov 21, 20181 votes

Same with Urgot Ult

Spank the FoxNov 21, 20181 votes

Don’t say “Level 1 ultimate”

His ultimate damage doesn’t scale by ranks, it scales solely from stats and Pyke’s level.

HibekiNov 22, 20181 votes

Youre right so it actually just does even more damage.

Spank the FoxNov 22, 20181 votes

I mean, sure.

I’m not making an argument that Pyke is weak or fine, but his ultimate damage doesn’t matter on ranks, so saying “this is just Rank 1” as if to imply it gets stronger with more point it is wrong.

HibekiNov 23, 20181 votes

Youre entirely correct. I assumed it scaled on rank like every other ultimate, so I calculated it with only 250 base. Just makes it more broken.