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Ohhh look, Evelynn took Wukong for months and doing his job yet fine by Riot.

ValiantKiller··9 votes·5,313 views

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High winrate, High pickrate got permanent hide post that if you don't have Control ward you will never see her , got CC, got mass damage aoe and not to mention able to burst either squishy or tanky target.

YET and i will repeat it, MonkeyKing was the only problem and AD assassins in general are the only problem.

I'm so sick and done of this balance team and their mindset, their blind vision and their bias toward champions.

Evelynn Being doing MonkeyKing job for the longest time and it running under their eyes like nothing and now right now she along Graves are the most toxic champions to deal with in jungle.

Evelynn can go invisible permanent only control ward able to expose her and near target, passive provide her with healing , she got safe and easy jungle clearing and ofcourse she able to burst anyone without landing charm and she got that mass aoe damage that do alot of damage. And poor MonkeyKing at most was able to burst one target before ulting and pulling away from fight cause he got no sustain and always forced to frontline after yet he was problem.

Edited: I don't care about wukong nerf and i just want rework for him not buff. But I want graves and eve plus jhin and mf nerfed cause im sick of seeing them in every ranked match without any diversity

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theChibiTina9 votes

Wukong isn't supposed to be an assassin though. He's supposed to be a fighter, more specifically a diver. He should do better in longer fights. The fact that burst champions can burst him down when he's supposed to be able to take burst and thrive in extended fighting is a problem. It shows that damage (not just AD, but on AP as well) is to high. He should be damage over time that left unchecked in a team fight becomes a problem. While assassins should be able to pick out and burst out of position squishies, but be terrible in team fight. Assassins shouldn't be able to burst tanks and fighters.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Wukong isn't supposed to be an assassin though. He's supposed to be a fighter, more specifically a diver. He should do better in longer fights. The fact that burst champions can burst him down when he's supposed to be able to take burst and thrive in extended fighting is a problem. It shows that damage (not just AD, but on AP as well) is to high. He should be damage over time that left unchecked in a team fight becomes a problem. While assassins should be able to pick out and burst out of position squishies, but be terrible in team fight. Assassins shouldn't be able to burst tanks and fighters.

Rengar Diana Ekko is divers yet played as assassins, it problem of the class of "Divers" more than one champion really. and Evelynn right now even before she buy item 3135 could destroy a tanker hp from 100-30 atleast in one combo if done her charm right which is easier on bigger slower target like tankers. While squishy take like one w and q to be killed without even R, and in tank fight she can just burst him 100-30 then goes back into her passive and heal then come back to kill them Game is so broken, my problem is they biased toward champions.

Infernape5 votes

Er. Ekko is full on classed as an assassin.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Er. Ekko is full on classed as an assassin.

Diver, check again. An assassin shouldn't have a sustain or aoe stun like him.

theChibiTina3 votes

Problem being Riot themselves classify him as assassin. So blame Rito for that one. :/

Edit: checked Rengar and Diana. Rito classifies Rengar as assassin and Diana as fighter.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Problem being Riot themselves classify him as assassin. So blame Rito for that one. :/

Edit: checked Rengar and Diana. Rito classifies Rengar as assassin and Diana as fighter.

Rengar still showing as diver on fandom and most of sources, but seem like riot playing around with that part. I just don't get it how assassin Akali Rengar Ekko can have self sustain able to build bruiser items and do great job better than both of MonkeyKing and Diana if played with same build. Both of them have no sustain and doesn't work well with bruisers items, wth.

theChibiTina1 votes

Because for whatever reason Rito seems to love assassins right now. I'm sick of assassins. I think they want to see them in worlds, but there's a good reason assassins are rarely seen in pro play. Because they don't team fight or split push well which are the core strategies of pro play. The ones that do see pro play have something that makes them work like Nocturne's ult. I remember seeing TSM Grig on Nocturne early in the split and he ulted into the baron pit to steal Baron. Wish Riot would just give it up already.

ValiantKiller2 votes

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Because for whatever reason Rito seems to love assassins right now. I'm sick of assassins. I think they want to see them in worlds, but there's a good reason assassins are rarely seen in pro play. Because they don't team fight or split push well which are the core strategies of pro play. The ones that do see pro play have something that makes them work like Nocturne's ult. I remember seeing TSM Grig on Nocturne early in the split and he ulted into the baron pit to steal Baron. Wish Riot would just give it up already.

Or Wukong who beat the hell out of their flashy cancer champion called Yasuo then direct nerf to ground, i just want to play my wukong with good less toxic kit that work with divers items but i can't cause they don't want to fix their items or give him rework cause china players enjoy abusing him or fix diver class while every damn rework or new champion that is assassin better diver than him Pyke Ekko Akali

D357R0Y3R4 votes

ekko has no sustain, his ult giving him health back is to make him able to jump in, but he can't recover his health 24/7 like rhaast or darius. an assassin is allowed to have an aoe stun, shaco has an AOE fear fizz has an aoe displacement

ekko is classified as an assassin by riot

ValiantKiller1 votes

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ekko has no sustain, his ult giving him health back is to make him able to jump in, but he can't recover his health 24/7 like rhaast or darius. an assassin is allowed to have an aoe stun, shaco has an AOE fear fizz has an aoe displacement

ekko is classified as an assassin by riot

So your telling me Akali and Ekko can build bruisers items and be be better divers than both Diana and MonkeyKing Got to love new champions design and rework then.

D357R0Y3R3 votes

which bruiser item?

everytime i see shiphtur who's one of the best ekko player playing, he builds lichbane protobelt void staff rabadon

so now protobelt is a bruiser item? alright morellonomicon is one too then

Daddy Ants2 votes

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Diver, check again. An assassin shouldn't have a sustain or aoe stun like him.

https://i.gyazo.com/cd95b316d40e88ff6b19b22841f38191.png

Ekko is an Assassin.

Wukong is the diver.

https://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Diver#Divers

Illabethe2 votes

er *cough ahem. She can do more than that.... If she builds item 1414 item 3115 item 3100 item 3089 item 1001 item 3135 (or around abouts) She can damn near 1 shot with E.

Q is not her primary nor best damage, and you do not need to W every target to be relevant. Just well place your flashes and positionings to where they will retreat to.

But..... it's not actually broken.....

  1. Her heal is about 1/5 as fast as Pyke's
  2. Her kit is immobile as hell
  3. Q has a long CD vs anything but jungle.
  4. Her assassinations require time in between to be active.
  5. She generally is NOT a good lane pusher
  6. She generally is one of the more vulnerable junglers when taking a drake or baron.
  7. W has a massively long tell on when to deny Evelynn.
  8. Evelynn can't survive more than 2-3 seconds in a fight, and usually can't actually reach E range, and Q doesn't actually do significant damage by itself.
Cønja1 votes

Rengar not an assassin? Are you okay?

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Rengar not an assassin? Are you okay?

Check fandom he was fighter for so long

DepressedTomoko1 votes

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Rengar Diana Ekko is divers yet played as assassins, it problem of the class of "Divers" more than one champion really. and Evelynn right now even before she buy item 3135 could destroy a tanker hp from 100-30 atleast in one combo if done her charm right which is easier on bigger slower target like tankers. While squishy take like one w and q to be killed without even R, and in tank fight she can just burst him 100-30 then goes back into her passive and heal then come back to kill them Game is so broken, my problem is they biased toward champions.

Actually, Ekko and Rengar are both classified as assassins. Diana is the only diver in that list.

Daddy Ants8 votes

Evelynn is an assassin and has clear counterplay.

Wukong has no counterplay.

I'd say give Wukong back his damage BUT make his W camouflage so Control Wards can counterplay him.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Evelynn is an assassin and has clear counterplay.

Wukong has no counterplay.

I'd say give Wukong back his damage BUT make his W camouflage so Control Wards can counterplay him.

And her pickrate to her winrate is fine sign ? Right? And what is the counterplay to when you get charmed to death ? or maybe when she use dark harvest and just press E on your squishy and he is dead ?

French Courtesan4 votes

high win rate doesnt mean lack of counterplay. High win rate means overtuned numbers. And yeah there is a lot of fucking counterplay to her charm. LIKE RUNNING AWAY. She literally cant charm you for two you hear that? TWO AND HALF SECONDS. Unless you are in her jungle completely solo and you have no clue where she is comming from, you have a lot of fucking time to react. Not only that, she has to burn flash to make sure that you get charmed. Otherwise she has to hit skillshot as narrow as needle, that stops on minions and has range smaller than my dick. Wukong jumps you and you are dead.

Adolf H ero1 votes

So she cant charm if they have flash lul

crippler382 votes

Or if they have any mobility, or aren't out of position.

Noor Sakata1 votes

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high win rate doesnt mean lack of counterplay. High win rate means overtuned numbers. And yeah there is a lot of fucking counterplay to her charm. LIKE RUNNING AWAY. She literally cant charm you for two you hear that? TWO AND HALF SECONDS. Unless you are in her jungle completely solo and you have no clue where she is comming from, you have a lot of fucking time to react. Not only that, she has to burn flash to make sure that you get charmed. Otherwise she has to hit skillshot as narrow as needle, that stops on minions and has range smaller than my dick. Wukong jumps you and you are dead.

She doesn't need to charm you later if you are squishy.

French Courtesan2 votes

and what exactly does wukong have to hit when i am squishy?

Noor Sakata1 votes

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and what exactly does wukong have to hit when i am squishy?

Nothing , but he has a shitty early , bad laning phase , needs items to 1 shoot , goes full canon and dies the moment he get's cced , bad wave clear , honestly the only thing he is good at is 1 shooting , why not not pick lb then, besides , Wukong has always been like this , people started complaining when stormrazor was released while it's not even the problem , not even all wukong players build it , wukong does this job since ages

French Courtesan2 votes

Evelyns early is even shittier, her laning phase doesnt exist, needs items to 1 shoot? Yeah evelynn can totaly do that with absolutely no items. Evelynn dies when CCd as well, evelynn doesnt have waveclear + saying that wukong has bad wave clear when this item 3077 is his core item is beyond retarded. Evelynn is also only good at oneshotting. However she poses even less utility than him. And no wukong doesnt do this job since ages because since ages wukong was counter to armor heavy units with black cleaver his Q and AoE cleaver procs on ult. Wukong was always braindead but right now he is also relevant.

Warlord Rhinark6 votes

We need Thot Patrol Master Yoshikage Kira on this one ASAP.

ValiantKiller2 votes

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We need Thot Patrol Master Yoshikage Kira on this one ASAP.

For the love of Evelynn and her love to dragons and baron.

French Courtesan4 votes

Not only evelynn doesnt have stealth but instead camouflage, and can be revealed by pinks(unlike wukong), she even gives you warning from half a kilometer distance that she is close. And even if I am going to ignore the fact that evelynn can actually fail a gank unlike wukong, wukong still offers much better CC and utlity of destroying enemies armor. Yeah evelynn is overtuned, but those two champions shouldnt be equal at all. Evelynn requires much more thought to play her properly than wukong ever did.

Glory974 votes

Oh a biased wukong main complaining, needs to compare his champion to the best champion of the meta. His main champion was an S-tier pick for 2-3 months in this season, but of course that's not enough. Because there is another champion who is a top-tier meta pick for a longer time period than wukong. How can the balance team be so biased and allow a champion other than wukong to be top-tier in the meta for a longer time period?

Btw I'm an azir main. I have 129 champions on my list that are too strong in the meta for a too long period of time. They all should be gutted into oblivion.

JackMcSnipeyz4 votes

Dude, can you just accept wukong got nerfed? You are spamming the boards and 99% is related to how wukong was nerfed and how some other random champion is better than him.

Everyone has their main nerfed in the cycle of league, just adapt for god's sake, build him as a diver, build him tank idk just do something if you love maining him so much, you are literally whining and crying that Riot took your -OH so skillfull- 1 shot machine when the nerf was deserved. This is getting cringy.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Dude, can you just accept wukong got nerfed? You are spamming the boards and 99% is related to how wukong was nerfed and how some other random champion is better than him.

Everyone has their main nerfed in the cycle of league, just adapt for god's sake, build him as a diver, build him tank idk just do something if you love maining him so much, you are literally whining and crying that Riot took your -OH so skillfull- 1 shot machine when the nerf was deserved. This is getting cringy.

I. Accpeting the nerf and idc much but eve and graves are toxic champions that need to be nerfed too

JackMcSnipeyz2 votes

Okay, then bring up reason why and how they should be nerfed without bringing wukong into every comparison, he is not relevent when you compare him to an assassin and a carry jungler when wukong is a Diver, not an assassin.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

sounds like a good fanfic

ValiantKiller3 votes

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sounds like a good fanfic

Lol

SGT Reckless2 votes

Eve is annoying when she hits 6, but I've rarely seen her more than annoying except when she gets stupid fed. She's pretty squish, just hit her with some hard cc and kill her that way. A Morgana q, TF gold card, Lux, Annie, etc. She can't heal if she's blown up before she can leave combat.

Daddy Ants1 votes

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Eve is annoying when she hits 6, but I've rarely seen her more than annoying except when she gets stupid fed. She's pretty squish, just hit her with some hard cc and kill her that way. A Morgana q, TF gold card, Lux, Annie, etc. She can't heal if she's blown up before she can leave combat.

Evelynn's Demon Shade heal also requires her to be below a certain amount of HP for it to kick in.

Terozu1 votes

"High pick rate"

Then you just look at the fucking numbers.

Adolf H ero1 votes

Honestly i feel both champions r fine where they r and thats coming from a rek'sai main lul

Novacrys11 votes

This post makes me LoL. As a Wukong main I find your argument vapid. Yes, Wukong was directly and in-directly nerfed into the ground. With the nerf to his Q damage and scaling and the in-direct nerfs (I.E. Front End Damage Runes) it has put Wukong into a spot where he is not O.P. nor is he severly U.P.. The real problem is how he is built and how people view him. Wukong is a Fighter not an Assassin. The problem is most people want to build him as an assassin instead of how he should be built as a fighter. Building him as an assassin means he can do great up front damage then like every other assassin has to run from the fight because of how squishy he is. When in actuality if built like a fighter more along the lines of lets say a Fiora; then not only does he have that front end damage, (not as high as an assassin I know), but he will also have the sustain to make it through a team fight with out the worry of not adding anything other than 1 combo and out. As far as counter plays to Wukong there are some, (Zhonya's and flash), But lets be for real. Wukongs Ult is a shorter cooldown than your flash, and unless you got fed early you will not have a zhonyas before wukong has his ult.

The real problem with Wukong is he is a strictly mid game champ. Yes I know that he can provide some pretty decent ganks pre 6. In most games though between lvls 7-11 is your mid game. Its with in these 4-5 lvls that wukong really shines in the game. At this point very little defenses are built on most laners and the flash combo-ult can really tilt/hamper any laner from being able to push to far forward. But because of the nerfs he has received all around pre 6 and after 11 he becomes not as useful as he could be. Yes, Yes, I know his ult is still a team fight game changer...… sometimes. I have experienced on more than one occasion jumping into teamfight with ult only to be burst down before my ult even ends. Not that this is a huge problem (again built as assassin with no defenses) but either strengthening his passive or making it so he has more of a fighters sustain would be great for Wukong. I feel as though if they nerfed his front end damage but up'ed his sustained damage over time this would be the Wukong I truly want to play. That way there are more ways to outplay his combo but it also gives him more ways to actually show his skill expression.

So Nerf front end Damage

Buff Sustained Damage

Fix his passive or give a new one

Put the decoy on shorter active but make it so it can be controlled for that 1 second instead of standing there doing nothing for 2 seconds (or make it like shacos where it creates decoy that can be controlled but wukong doesn't disappear.)

increase attack speed overall but nerf E attack speed buff.

Keep q damage nerfed but give it back its scaling.

IMO these are a few things to make Wukong a more enjoyable skill expressive character that is still simple to learn and play but can have more expression in mechanical play then E>Q>R or Q>E>R run away.

Marothennan1 votes

evelynn has a way harder time getting to her enemies though, wukong could always just w and e on you

French Courtesan1 votes

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High winrate, High pickrate got permanent hide post that if you don't have Control ward you will never see her , got CC, got mass damage aoe and not to mention able to burst either squishy or tanky target.

Tfw in same image where you complain about her high pick rate, you can see 5 other champions with much higher pick rate.

YET and i will repeat it, MonkeyKing was the only problem and AD assassins in general are the only problem.

Yeah it kinda is a problem when a champion can dash on you with point click ability and blow you up with no thought process at all. Evelynn marks you for whopping 2.5 seconds and if you still wonder why is that mark over your head, i think you have got a problem.

I'm so sick and done of this balance team and their mindset, their blind vision and their bias toward champions.

Yeah bias towards wukong, feels so god damn bad. How dare they nerf something that is easy to pull off and unhealthy, while allowing a champion that has one of the shittiest early games in the jungle, has almost no mobility and cant solo drakes, excel at the only thing she can do for so long.

Evelynn Being doing MonkeyKing job for the longest time and it running under their eyes like nothing

Yeah buddy a top laner with armor strip and shitty jungle kit was doing burst assassins job. So he got nerfed. OH WAIT, you think it was other way around, you think that evelynn was doing wukongs job. RIIIIGHT, evelynn was stripping enemies armor(like fighters do), using her stealth mid combat to confuse her enemies, and knocking them all up. Yeaaaah.

and now right now she along Graves are the most toxic champions to deal with in jungle.

And you are implying that wukong was not toxic or? Because this point is so utterly pointless its kinda funny

Evelynn can go invisible permanent

Camouflage after 6

only control ward able to expose her and near target,

Which is exactly how you should ward anyway. Not to mention she doesnt have any dashes other than her ult, so unless she ults over wall, 1 pink ward is all you need to ward against her on 2 out of 3 lanes.

passive provide her with healing ,

Her healing is so pitiful at early game it barely keeps her at 35% hp, and if you saw 35% hp evelynn ganking, then you know why that guy lost.

she got safe and easy jungle clearing

She literally almost dies to second buff. She is so easily invaded its not even funny. And its so fucking easy as any other meta jungler. Have you actually played her? At all?

and ofcourse she able to burst anyone without landing charm

She can burst ADC without landing a charm

and she got that mass aoe damage that do alot of damage.

That does adequate damage unless you are on execution health. Compare her to wukong tho. Full hp is basically execution health and you dont have to time it at all or anything.

And poor MonkeyKing at most was able to burst one target

How many people exactly can evelynn burst with her single target spells?

before ulting and pulling away from fight cause he got no sustain

How much sustain does evelynn have in fight?

IgniteMyClone1 votes

And since when has he had a higher winrate, months or seasons? It seems to me the season that he gets to shine it's a problem. Sounds like all the shit you just said to counter what was pointed out has not been a problem until this season due to riot fucking the game up. You know why he is not played as intended. I will give you a damn hint ... HIS KIT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED NOT NERFED BECAUSE RIOT CHANGED THE GAME AND KONG PLAYERS ADAPTED TO IT. How about you do the same. And then when they go back to how it was before people like you will complain about something else all the while you still sit nicely with your champs and we will be back at 49 and 48 winrate.

French Courtesan1 votes

So your suggestion, when something is broken, offers no interactive gameplay, cant be countered, is frustrating to play againist, is not nerfing it because eventually the meta will change and everything will be fine? Hmmm sounds totaly reasonable.

Also what was that part of adaptation supposed to be? How am I supposed to adapt to wukong mid oneshotting my ass on 90% of mid lane roster? Should I pick tanks on mid? That is your suggestion? To kill entire class of champions because one braindead overperforming pick shouldnt be nerfed in current meta because eventually it will change? Wow sounds good.

Nami the Marai1 votes

I felt like I was having a stroke reading this post. That is all.

WingedNinja21 votes

What site are you looking at for these absurd stats? Champion.gg (which is a well known and reputable site), has evelynn's winrate near 51%. Not only that, Evelynn doesn't even break into the top 15 junglers until Platinum and up! Her winrate increases the higher the ladder you go, so she isn't some brain dead monkey of a champ (excuse the pun) that has no counterplay and you can just play her and win lol

Noor Sakata1 votes

Evelynn has this high winrate since her release , she was mostly 52.5% winrate and around , she got a nerf on her E then her winrate dropped to 50.5% then they buffed her again because they said the nerfs were harsh , whatever , the thing is Wukong has been a 1 shoot or get 1 shot for ages , people only realized and started complaining about him after Stormrazor was released while most of Wukong players don't even build it

IgniteMyClone1 votes

Ty, all I hear is bitching and complaining from people who have played champs that have been strong for way longer. They get a taste of being shitted on by another champ is what wukong players and mains have experienced way longer. They complained until the monkeys at riot that fuck most things up do what they do best, fuck more shit up.

SugeMinPikk1 votes

I don't think Eve, Graves, and Nid will ever be below tier 2 lmao

IgniteMyClone1 votes

Amen

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