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Pathetic how Taric is Surpassed by every Support

doublelift fg··21 votes·4,223 views

Braum has an Empowered Taric's kit. Taric should have one of the best lane dominance. You nerfed it because let's be honest if you were stuned you was dead. But then, instead of reducing its power you just completly removed it. He doesn't have poke, He doesn't have sustain because stop saying that taric's heal is a thing, costs 80 / 95 / 110 / 125 / 140 Mana? for a 18 sec cd heal which you aren't maxing first.

So if you have taric in lane, you are forced to fight else you will lose lane. Eventually you will face a ranged champion stun him for 1.2 sec and can't even have the time to reach him and shred his armor. You will get kited and will never be able to use your passive effectively. If you don't , you will be screwed because he has hilarous cooldown.

Riot is fighting hidden power, what the heck is his W and his ulti? 12% bonus armor aura and 15/25/35 bonus AD/AP to his team you can't even see the power it gives. terrible design, really terrible

EDIT: FINALLY MANA COST REDUCED

60 Comments

KidSpectre14 votes

I can still 1v2 people under my tower and walk away with a double. People underestimate Taric so much sometimes.

Saianna2 votes

anything under your own turret can 1v2.

Try without help of cotton thrower.

DJ Di013 votes

He has a 51% winrate.

NOT saying he's OP; he's getting his much deserved update soon, but he's not as bad as people think.

Hellish Prophecy3 votes

[{quoted}](name=DJ Di0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mhjjmTtu,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-03-05T17:35:09.205+0000)

He has a 51% winrate.

NOT saying he's OP; he's getting his much deserved update soon, but he's not as bad as people think.

He is a really good champion, but compared to other supports he's not too fantastic. I only take Taric top lane and hope I either face a tank or someone I can actually duel.

Focus Teemo8 votes

The hilarious part is Taric is better both top and in the jungle, rather than the role he was designed to do... and its been that way for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XMSTh70xps for your outrageous viewing purposes.

Hellish Prophecy2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Focus Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mhjjmTtu,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2015-03-05T18:08:47.024+0000)

The hilarious part is Taric is better both top and in the jungle, rather than the role he was designed to do... and its been that way for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XMSTh70xps for your outrageous viewing purposes.

Good old Kshaway. I saw this video and it is the only reason why I changed a rune page to suit tanks heavily. Needless to say my first match doing so was against a Fiora top and she did no damage to me in a prolonged fight.

Thefriendlyorc2 votes

He's hilarious for sure. I was so impressed by his ad sion Montage that I picked up the champion again.

Thefriendlyorc1 votes

Is that kshaway video I see? If not, look it up.

Rinky Dinky3 votes

I like when people who make a good point get downvoted lol

Altricad8 votes

You know, when Sona has a heal that is less powerful than Alistar , that Riot really doesn't care about supports that can't make LCS BIG PLAYS

Taric included

doublelift fg2 votes

yea you're right but sona heal also has mr+armor+shield

DJ Di09 votes

[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mhjjmTtu,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2015-03-05T18:24:09.215+0000)

yea you're right but sona heal also has mr+armor+shield

Did Old Sona and New Sona make love or something?

Sona's aura is only a shield, doesn't give any other stats....

jv21blU7oD1 votes

Um no. Sona's heal is WAY better at saving people with the increase in healing with regards to how much health you're missing and then the shield on top of it. I also don't see how a good 3-4 man Crescendo would not be considered as an "LCS big plays" either. At least I personally would view it as such.

Pika3104 votes

with the increase in healing with regards to how much health you're missing

Recheck your facts, that's a maximum of 45 HP. That's only tied with the 2nd weakest heal in the game, who's Nidalee's with better AP ratios. Taking that into account in addition to the fact that your ally needs to be at 0% HP for the full affect and Sona's heal is **STILL **the absolute worst in the entire game, even **after **the missing HP %.

On the other hand, Taric always heals 60, regardless of whether your ally is injured, unlike this Masochist Sona that Fearless has created.

jv21blU7oD1 votes

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I dunno why you're bringing up Taric and Nida when I am comparing Aria of Perseverence against Triumphant Roar. The allied heal on Ali's heal has worse base numbers and scaling and does not grant a protective shield on cast and so is strictly worse as a supportive spell than Sona's heal. That is the only point I was trying to correct in my earlier post.

You should recheck the points you're trying to make with regards to the context itself because there should be no reason to why it's directed at my post specifically. I never claimed that Sona's heal is better than Taric's or Nida's.

Pika3105 votes

So we're just going to ignore the facts that Alistar heals minions, potentially your whole team and has a built-in reset. Not to mention his combined heal of your example (30+60) still ties with Sona's absolute maximum heal (45+45; both her and her ally at 0% HP).

Alright then, I see where the bias sits.

jv21blU7oD1 votes

Sona's heal is still better at saving an individual target which was the point I was trying to make at first. I do admit that I worded it poorly in my second post about it being a strictly better supportive spell, as in better in all situations which is wrong. Of course Ali's heal has it's own individual strengths that should not be overlooked but from what I have seen Sona's heal definitely has higher overall game impact when it comes to affecting allied champions and the shield granted by the aura itself can affect multiple teammates which is a very underestimated effect of the spell.

Pika3104 votes

Sorry if I can't take anyone seriously, who thinks single-use effects are auras. Are you telling me GP's Q is an aura? Is Irelia's E an aura? Perhaps Talon's W is an aura by your definition? Oh, I know, Cait's R is totes an aura.

Pika3107 votes

Taric is stronger than Sona, he has better damage output, healing, damage reduction and pre-6 CC.

So, he's at least stronger than 1 other support, as far as I know.

Narasimha6 votes

Taric I heard you had a problem with Kalista ?

Bolwinkel6 votes

Pretty sure he surpasses veigar support now

PraetorPrime5 votes

Taric will make a comeback.

Igotlazy5 votes

What's a Taric?

Laughing Fish4 votes

Taric should be able to charm. That would be truly outrageous.

k wìx3 votes

Taric is in a rough spot currently, yes - but he's better than most people give him credit for. I'd imagine he's on the list for reworks, but he's not nearly as bad as people make him out to be, and beyond that....

Braums kit is defined by damage prevention and crowd control effects. Tarics kit is a bit more generalized, he has some really solid CC, a great heal, and i'd say the core of his kit is that he's one of the best empowering champions in the game, no one helps his teammates deal damage like Taric - he's amazing when paired with burst assassins or nuke mages.

I would say his passive and mana consumption are the two things that generally hold him back and need to be looked at.

doublelift fg1 votes

yea, his passive is one of the best passive but doesn't feet with taric because he will never be able to apply it or can't use it to the best

sortitus3 votes

Taric doesn't have to use mana or give enemies a free target for AoE spells to give his allies armor. His stun is point and click. His heal is legitimately very good once you start building health. His ult is hard to use, but 15 free AD for your ADC at level 6 is a pretty big deal. He's safe and easy to be decent with.

Braum is definitely a better all-around tank and has a more useful ult in most situations, but Taric is not bad. Taric has the third highest win rate for supports in ranked games for the last 2 weeks, placing just ahead of Leona.

I agree that he needs a rework, but to say that he's surpassed by every other support is just silly.

doublelift fg1 votes

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Anidan1 votes

Janna's AD boost can also only ever affect 1 target at a time and is attached to a shield that, if it gets destroyed, the AD leaves with it. Taric's AD boost is an aura, meaning that no matter what, as long as he is nearby enough, they will have that AD. And with Taric being fairly durable, it's a much more reliable AD boost than Janna's shield.

And a 1.2 second stun, yes. Ever fought against a Zed while you're next to your carry? Or most assassins, barring LeBlanc, actually. Soon as he lands from his ult, you can damn-near instantly stun him, and the carry gets away with minimal damage taken right then and there. Braum has to have Zed get hit 4 times for that, or use his ult for that same peel. Janna can also do something similar with tornado, but if she misses that, then it's ult-city as well for her.

Your comparing spells in a void when they can't be done that way. You can only compare abilities in a void if they function similarly. The abilities you gave (Janna's shield, Braum's Q) don't function the same way, and thus the comparison is moot.

WeFlyNoLie3 votes

Find a good lane partner that has good follow up CC like Caitlyn or Jinx. (Traps/chompers) Stun and have them drop a trap right underneath.

A couple seasons ago, one of the best bot lane comps was running Taric/Graves. Graves' armor is absurd when paired with Taric. This is still an excellent combo.

Playing Taric, you should max Q first, then W. Build item 3025 . It will give you all the stats you need, armor, mana, CDR. Follow up with a Frozen heart or an MR item if needed. This item blends with your passive greatly.

He's a good champion, he does need some adjustments to bring him up to par with other supports, but he definitely isn't outclassed by all other supports. Point and click guaranteed stuns are very helpful in today's mobility based meta.

Earthlord Jazz3 votes

I pick Taric against Kalista. Sure, she's a bitch when you can't hit her with skillshots, but no one can say know to his outrageously stunning dazzle. Normally during the stun, my ADC can outrade the enemy, put her at around half, then go for the kill later down the road.

CupcakeTrap3 votes

Taric Mobility has ruined this land.

I'm with you, though, OP. I used to really love playing Taric. I like his paladin aesthetic. But they overbuffed him and then overnerfed him.

I kind of miss old Taric, where you could get fed, buy a Nashor's Tooth, and 1v1 ADCs because your self-heal would outpace their damage. (No, I'm not claiming Nashor's was ever a good idea on Taric, calm down. I'm just saying that one funny thing about old Taric was that attack speed rapidly increased the rate at which he could heal, and with his insane armor multiplying that healing…nothing quite like catching an ADC in the jungle and proceeding to smack them to death with your giant sparkly hammer.)

You know what? Screw it. I'm playing my placements without Veigar, to see where I end up, and I might as well play some Taric.

Anyone know anything about playing New Taric? I think I screwed up by going crazy on the armor-stacking.

Solidair32 votes

He's still a top pick against all AD teams, and besides, there is a reason he's getting g a complete update on every level.

Thefriendlyorc2 votes

I honestly wish they would update his passive and ult and he'd be such a beast. His kit is so scattered and random.

Solidair31 votes

Yeah, I think that's why he's getting his rework. He's just support abilities guy. No real cohesion on his kit.

That and his model looks hideous.

killd0zer2 votes

He doesn't have sustain because stop saying that taric's heal is a thing

Lol this is funny. "He doesn't have a stun, because his stun doesn't count."

doublelift fg1 votes

what? if you're talking about taric's heal it had 18 sec cd, it's soraka old cooldown with less heal that's why you can't use it as a sustain not taking in consideration his mana cost

DJ Di03 votes

[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mhjjmTtu,comment-id=000b0000,timestamp=2015-03-05T18:36:56.594+0000)

what? if you're talking about taric's heal it had 18 sec cd, it's soraka old cooldown with less heal that's why you can't use it as a sustain not taking in consideration his mana cost

You're really underestimating Taric's healing potential.

Imbue (Rank 1): 60 Mana; 18 second cooldown; Heals 2 people for 120 hp

Aria(Sona's heal): 80 Mana; 10 second cooldown; Heals 2 people for 60 hp.

Let's say this is a span of 20 seconds. Sona heals twice for 160 mana, in 20 seconds, and heals 2 people for 120 hp. Taric heals once for 60 mana, in 18 seconds, and heals 2 people for 120.

[Note when I say for X, I mean a combined total]

Not to mention Taric can use Relic Sheild for more sustain in lane.

doublelift fg1 votes

that's why they reduced the mana cost : s

DJ Di01 votes

[{quoted}](name=doublelift fg,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mhjjmTtu,comment-id=000b000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-21T07:57:11.747+0000)

that's why they reduced the mana cost : s

?

Thefriendlyorc2 votes

He's a late game aura monster, equivalent to picking a galio against an all ap team. Grab taric when there's a zed mid and a riven top and watch his powerful auras and unavoidable stun go to work. Then build aura armor stuff and watch as you fight them 3 V 1 and not die.

Desmond Law2 votes

I picked up taric about 3 days before season 3 ended and about 1 week after season 3 ended, taric got nerfed to the fucking ground. But the publicity got him some looking into by the community who then "found out" how strong he was with his new armor ratios. Pathetic I used to build him AP/tank taric. Back when his passive gave his autos a .02 Mana ratio, Shatter had a .6 AP ratio, his Dazzle had a .8 AP ratio, and his Radiance had a .8 AP ratio. I could one shot squishies

Now his passive gives him a .2 Armor ratio once after casting a spell, no stacking. Shatter, removed AP ratio for .2 Armor ratio, Dazzle reduced to .4 AP ratio, and Radiance .5 AP ratio I couldn't even 1v1 a yi at 100 hp

Boy was I pissed.

doublelift fg2 votes

that's not the core problem, he received more nerfs then

Takeuchi 172 votes

honestly i find taric supps to be quite overbearing sometimes. i certainly get giddy when i see him in lane cuz i know what kind of monster he can become

Llanite2 votes

Do you ask Ford to recall all their 5-year old cars and rework so that they keep up with their 2014 version?

If yes, I'd suggest you see a psychiatrist. If no, same thing would go for Riot. New things are always better, who would buy them otherwise?

stevedoesmc1 votes

ok they removed his stun? now what does he have please tell me it is not as useless as his w

Killstrado2 votes

But see that's the thing THEY DIDNT REMOVE HIS STUN :D

stevedoesmc1 votes

sorry i read someone elses comment and it confused me

Killstrado1 votes

It's all good dude

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