There's still too many OP stuff to ban
But despite the immense backlash from the community, simultaneous duplicated bans were the way to go.
Worst part about it is that at least 2 - 3 bans every lobby are the same pretty much counting as one ban.
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ModAcademy Kayn6 votesIt's almost like Bans are designed not to deal with OP stuff, but to ban champions who are counter/good against the champion you're playing as.
league of pidors5 votesas a draven main,I need a SUPER UBER DUBER ULTRATUNUTES lucky day to pick him,cuz hes always banned.
jwebb01132 votesas a draven main,I need a SUPER UBER DUBER ULTRATUNUTES lucky day to pick him,cuz hes always banned.
well with the nerfs to his passive coming through he should be less banned
Tormentula2 votesUntil they nerf or delete 
he's not getting through ban phase by my watch. Literally the root of all Draven's problems right now, for Draven standards anyway.
jwebb01131 votesUntil they nerf or delete
if deaths dance was so op why is it not rushed and built by more champs ?
Tormentula2 votesIt was
But most of the champions that benefited from it aren't that great with or without to begin with or would be significantly worse.
Or alternatively are just abusing Lethality atm and try to one shot instead of being one shot / don't save gold for both DD and PD
The minute lethality goes back to the shit cycle of "shit or broken repeatedly" we'll probably see more DD. However Draven RN is sticking with DD as the survivability is way more important to him then the others who go in, or get out, or have multitarget/aoe.
jwebb01131 votesIt was
But most of the champions that benefited from it aren't that great with or without to begin with or would be significantly worse.
Or alternatively are just abusing Lethality atm and try to one shot instead of being one shot / don't save gold for both DD and PD
The minute lethality goes back to the shit cycle of "shit or broken repeatedly" we'll probably see more DD. However Draven RN is sticking with DD as the survivability is way more important to him then the others who go in, or get out, or have multitarget/aoe.
u named 5 champs out of 147( is that correct count now?) and say its an ITEM ISSUE
Automated Riven1 votesThe problem with DD is that champions who shouldn't be building it (draven) are way to well with it. And champions who should be buying it. (basically ad bruisers) aren't buying it because it doesn't give them the stats they want. With a few exceptions. (like riven/fiora) but most champions who should be buying it aren't. I think it should remain basically the same but increase ad damage from spells by like 10% while having drastically reduced ad on it. Maybe health instead. This maybe would be broken on luc tho.
LuxannaVeritas2 votesUntil people actually want to play champions with hard CC, you might be waiting a long time haha.
I usually just ban champions that I don't understand (Shaco and Zed still confuse me) rather than "OP" picks because I believe every champion has a weakness and if my team doesn't want to counter those "powerful" picks, well then that's their problem. I can only stop so much as one champion; I need my team to cover the rest of our bases.
jwebb01134 votesok so lets say they change the ban system so the same champ cant be banned by the same team... and every one gets to ban to champs so a total of 20 different bans
and you ban out the top 4 champs from each role
TOP 
JNG 
MID 
ADC 
SUP 
and these are arguably the strongest champs in each role and some of the most popular too if we ban all 20 of these champs every game then all that means the next tier of champs become that much stronger cuz the ALPHA PREDATORS in those roles are gone...
for example as ADC the next 4 strongest adcs would be
then people are gonna complain that vayne and xayah are OP and too strong and so on for each role so its not always about banning ALL THE OP CHAMPS its about banning champs that beat your champ or a champ that a team in general would have issues against or in the rare case when one particular champ is clearly BUSTED like 
was for a while the best idea would be to ban the champ that would counter your champ the hardest so your champ wouldnt be hard countered and let the chips fall where they may
BALDG1VEN BOOMER32 votesHow on earth do ten people equate to twenty bans?
jwebb01133 votes[{quoted}](name=TSM Piccaboo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mgx5vNGL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-08-19T14:19:38.546+0000)
How on earth do ten people equal twenty bans?
it was an example .... cuz you say there is SOO MUCH OP STUFF TO BAN
so in order to ban all the op stuff 10 bans wouldnt be enough
and the example can still be used for 10 bans just cut off the last two champs from each role...
like banning riven and maokai j4 and sej yasou and mal twitch and draven janna and blitz
but the point still stands if you ban twitch and draven every game then trist and kog are the next two strongest adcs and people will bitch about them being OP
BALDG1VEN BOOMER8 votesTen bans would be enough if they weren't duplicated is my point, if we had twenty bans that would be too much, maybe we can have twenty when we have like 250 champs.
Oakleaf Ranger5 votesThis list sucked lul
jwebb01132 votesThis list sucked lul
based on what ? your opinion ? or facts based on stats ?
Oakleaf Ranger6 votesopinion, probably stats if I felt like doing research.
( only considerable ban worthy if paired with xayah)
(ehh maybe probably not)
also just because a champion is popular doesn't mean they are top tier.
jwebb01131 votesopinion, probably stats if I felt like doing research.
well when someone else question the list ( not that i made up the stats) i provided stats for the ones he contested and the ones he suggested were better
feel free to look for yourself
Oakleaf Ranger3 voteshere I'm just gonna give you a solid list here
(maybe)
this is stuff that is strong in high elo yet I ban 
because my elo isn't high enough to take advantage of his real weakness. Which is early macro play, outside of fiora he beats everything top lane post 6 and just becomes an obnoxious split pushing threat. Hate having to waste my ban on him though.
jwebb01131 voteshere I'm just gonna give you a solid list here
this is stuff that is strong in high elo yet I ban
only champs in your list really worthy of a ban cho , draven, maokai trist, twitch maybe ori depending on what you are facing ...
fiora nope.. cait LMAO really ? corki egh gnar nope jayce isnt picked enough to be ban worthy , karma nope better supports... kass possible , kha n lee LMAO in a tank jungle meta? lucian LMAO 6 adcs stronger them him lulu got nerfed barely worth picking... syndra really good in a syndra high elo pro player every where else nope. and if u go look at my comments you will see the stats with most of these champs
Oakleaf Ranger2 votesI'm not basing my picks based on how popular they are but on how strong they are.
Otherwise I would be banning Ahri, Yasuo, and vayne.
A lot of champions you say no because they got nerfed were only given love taps. I said maybe on cait because while she hasn't received any hard nerfs, she has had a lot soft nerfs and it has started to add up. Fiora is still a 2 item unstoppable god as well. Tank junglers are still weak early and very vulnerable to Kha who has strong early game with good mobility and excels in 1v1.
Just cause I nerf 3 ad doesn't mean the champ aint good or OP.
jwebb01131 votesI'm not basing my picks based on how popular they are but on how strong they are.
Otherwise I would be banning Ahri, Yasuo, and vayne.
A lot of champions you say no because they got nerfed were only given love taps. I said maybe on cait because while she hasn't received any hard nerfs, she has had a lot soft nerfs and it has started to add up. Fiora is still a 2 item unstoppable god as well. Tank junglers are still weak early and very vulnerable to Kha who has strong early game with good mobility and excels in 1v1.
Just cause I nerf 3 ad doesn't mean the champ aint good or OP.
cait hasnt received hard nerfs?
wtf
are you mental ?
Base stats ATTACK SPEED GROWTH 4% ⇒ 2%
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-714-notes#patch-champions
and with the nerfs to her Q and traps of recent Caitlyn has a win rate 45.16% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Caitlyn's are earning a win rate of 51.20% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond II.
LoLalytics ranks Caitlyn at 121 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Silver.
she is the 2nd worst adc currently only infront of 
Oakleaf Ranger2 votesand if you read the patch notes then you know it wasn't enough then. She still received nerfs even after that. She is still strong and meta (maybe).
jwebb01131 votesand if you read the patch notes then you know it wasn't enough then. She still received nerfs even after that. She is still strong and meta (maybe).
did u not see her #s ?
after that nerf alone she dropped nearly 6% in win rate
why are people refusing to see the stats and the facts behind it
i swear this is how trump got elected
Oakleaf Ranger2 votesbecause they didn't nerf (at least until recently) her greatest asset. Her traps, which are not only great for sieging but for stalling and defending as well.
The value of facts depends on the implications they imply. This whole time I have also been saying she might be ban worthy.
But the facts are showing they she has been nerfed enough that twitch and tristana are now capable of handling her. Champions that also scale harder too and essentially bring more value to the table then she currently does.
jwebb01131 votesbecause they didn't nerf (at least until recently) her greatest asset. Her traps, which are not only great for sieging but for stalling and defending as well.
The value of facts depends on the implications they imply. This whole time I have also been saying she might be ban worthy.
But the facts are showing they she has been nerfed enough that twitch and tristana are now capable of handling her. Champions that also scale harder too and essentially bring more value to the table then she currently does.
her traps isnt what won her games ... by nerfing her as growth crippled her people fail to see that cuz they are so fukin hung up over the traps
Oakleaf Ranger1 votesWell it wasnt enough then. But the ability to essentially remove terrain that the enemy go through (without suffering high damage) is very powerful ability.
Sleepcoma2 votesbased on what ? your opinion ? or facts based on stats ?
dude stop copy pasting website information, i'm like 99% sure pro players don't go to a stat website to look at what champions they should pick in lcs
jwebb01131 votesdude stop copy pasting website information, i'm like 99% sure pro players don't go to a stat website to look at what champions they should pick in lcs
these are stats based on plat + in all regions ... stats show what champs are strong/weak etc the fact that you ignore them like they dont mean anything is flat out stupid
AirKingNeo2 votesToo much broken shit.
He forget Gnar and Akali and Pantheon.
OyddAWqJ5r1 votesok so lets say they change the ban system so the same champ cant be banned by the same team... and every one gets to ban >>>to<<< champs so a total of 20 different bans
He just spelled two wrong cuz he's illiterate. lol
AirKingNeo3 votesDarius isn't worth a ban; literally trash in high elo; ban Gnar instead. Jarven 4 isn't worth a ban. Warwick isn't worth a ban. Yasuo is worth a ban in top lane, not mid. Twisted Fate is not worth a ban because Taliyah does his job better. Ahri isn't even close to worth a ban with Syndra and Orianna existing. Blitzcrank isn't worth a ban because Thresh is better. Rakan nor Soraka are worth bans when Lulu, Braum, fucking Thresh all exist.
Jinx and Vayne would not be worth bans assuming the 4 you listed first gut gutted. They aren't even remotely good right now.
jwebb01135 votesDarius isn't worth a ban; literally trash in high elo; ban Gnar instead. Jarven 4 isn't worth a ban. Warwick isn't worth a ban. Yasuo is worth a ban in top lane, not mid. Twisted Fate is not worth a ban because Taliyah does his job better. Ahri isn't even close to worth a ban with Syndra and Orianna existing. Blitzcrank isn't worth a ban because Thresh is better. Rakan nor Soraka are worth bans when Lulu, Braum, fucking Thresh all exist.
Jinx and Vayne would not be worth bans assuming the 4 you listed first gut gutted. They aren't even remotely good right now.
Darius has a win rate 49.77% /8.96% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Darius's are earning a win rate of 59.15% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Darius at 44 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Platinum.
Jarvan IV Jungle has a win rate 52.45% /10.87% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Jarvan IV's are earning a win rate of 57.04% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Jarvan IV at 6 amongst Jungle champions earning a tier grade of Master.
Twisted Fate has a win rate 52.51%/ 10.57% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Twisted Fate's are earning a win rate of 58.34% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Twisted Fate at 6 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Challenger.
Warwick Jungle has a win rate 52.57% /7.52% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Warwick's are earning a win rate of 57.59% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Warwick at 7 amongst Jungle champions earning a tier grade of Diamond.
Ahri has a win rate 51.35%/13.06% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Ahri's are earning a win rate of 57.97% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Ahri at 16 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Master.
Blitzcrank has a win rate 50.22% / 14.80% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Blitzcrank's are earning a win rate of 52.12% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
AirKingNeo1 votesLook at Darius's diamond+ stats. Barely a playrate and his winrate drops exponentially as you get closer to challenger in Korea. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/darius/kr/top/diamond
Jarvan jungle is not very good. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/jarvaniv/jungle/diamond
Twisted Fate is a solo queue champion and you will find no pro complaining about TF while every lane has other issues.
Again, no one complains about Warwick but lower ELO. Not even a proplay pick.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ahri/middle/diamond 50% winrate.
Again, no one complains about blitz and I don't even have to pull up.
jwebb01132 votesLook at Darius's diamond+ stats. Barely a playrate and his winrate drops exponentially as you get closer to challenger in Korea. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/darius/kr/top/diamond
Jarvan jungle is not very good. https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/jarvaniv/jungle/diamond
Twisted Fate is a solo queue champion and you will find no pro complaining about TF while every lane has other issues.
Again, no one complains about Warwick but lower ELO. Not even a proplay pick.
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/ahri/middle/diamond 50% winrate.
Again, no one complains about blitz and I don't even have to pull up.
1st off my stats are based on this patch for plat + including diamond master and challenger
check them based on the source i used.
and they rank the champs based on tiers for "STRENGTH "on pick /ban and win rates
twisted fate just for the last 7 days in plat plus across all regions has a 53.01% win rate to say he isnt worthy of pick or ban with his scaling, damage, utility , global ult and passive gold income is flat stupid
darius in diamond + for the last 7 days has a 49.82% win rate with a 7.67% pick rate still making him a viable lane bully who wins most lanes still ban worthy
jarvan has a 51.31% win rate in jungle with a 12.34% pick rate so he is above 50% win rate and above 10 % pick rate in diamond + and you say he is trash ?
blitz has a 49.47% win rate with a 12.88% pick rate in diamond + if he was soo fukin bad why is he picked so often? and has a averave ban rate of about 16% this is just for the last 7 days in diamond +
jwebb01132 votesDarius isn't worth a ban; literally trash in high elo; ban Gnar instead. Jarven 4 isn't worth a ban. Warwick isn't worth a ban. Yasuo is worth a ban in top lane, not mid. Twisted Fate is not worth a ban because Taliyah does his job better. Ahri isn't even close to worth a ban with Syndra and Orianna existing. Blitzcrank isn't worth a ban because Thresh is better. Rakan nor Soraka are worth bans when Lulu, Braum, fucking Thresh all exist.
Jinx and Vayne would not be worth bans assuming the 4 you listed first gut gutted. They aren't even remotely good right now.
Gnar has a win rate 49.66%/7.04% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Gnar's are earning a win rate of 53.77% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond IV.
LoLalytics ranks Gnar at 101 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
Soraka has a win rate 53.78%/ 12.74% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Soraka's are earning a win rate of 60.01% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Soraka at 4 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Challenger.
Rakan has a win rate 49.75%/ 10.55% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Rakan's are earning a win rate of 57.96% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond II.
LoLalytics ranks Rakan at 40 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Platinum.
Lulu has a win rate 49.15%/ 19.66% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Lulu's are earning a win rate of 55.81% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Lulu at 95 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
Braum has a win rate 47.51%/ 7.19% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Braum's are earning a win rate of 52.90% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Braum at 129 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Silver.
Thresh has a win rate 46.87%/25% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Thresh's are earning a win rate of 54.72% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond I.
LoLalytics ranks Thresh at 104 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Silver.
Orianna has a win rate 47.90% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Orianna's are earning a win rate of 56.29% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond II.
LoLalytics ranks Orianna at 92 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
Syndra has a win rate 46.81%/7.31% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Syndra's are earning a win rate of 59.49% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Syndra at 78 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
Taliyah has a win rate 47.89%/ 4.60% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Taliyah's are earning a win rate of 56.32% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond II.
LoLalytics ranks Taliyah at 86 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
Jinx has a win rate 51.13%/ 14.62% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Jinx's are earning a win rate of 56.72% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond IV.
LoLalytics ranks Jinx at 47 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Platinum.
Vayne ADC has a win rate 50.86%/ 19.95% pick rate for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Vayne's are earning a win rate of 58.23% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond III.
LoLalytics ranks Vayne at 6 amongst ADC champions earning a tier grade of Platinum.
Fütanari1 votes
LoLalytics ranks Gnar at 101 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
LoLalytics ranks Soraka at 4 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Challenger.
LoLalytics ranks Rakan at 40 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Platinum.
LoLalytics ranks Lulu at 95 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
LoLalytics ranks Braum at 129 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Silver.
LoLalytics ranks Thresh at 104 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Silver.
LoLalytics ranks Orianna at 92 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
LoLalytics ranks Syndra at 78 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
LoLalytics ranks Taliyah at 86 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Gold.
LoLalytics ranks Jinx at 47 amongst all champions earning a tier grade of Platinum.
LoLalytics ranks Vayne at 6 amongst ADC champions earning a tier grade of Platinum.
your point? lcs paly champs with shitty win rates like kalista and ryze and dominate with them. does that mean we should destroy every champ with a 50 or more win rate?
jwebb01131 votesyour point? lcs paly champs with shitty win rates like kalista and ryze and dominate with them. does that mean we should destroy every champ with a 50 or more win rate?
im not saying to nerf any of them... where did you come up with that...
the point of the post was there arent enough bans to ban all the OP champs... i purpose a situation of we had 20 bans ... and picked 4 strongest champs in each role (based on win rate + pick rate at plat + for this patch ) and people want to argue the validity of that post. what THE LCS DOES AND HOW THEY PLAY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THEN THE OTHER 99% OF PLAYERS
to compare them and to say they are one in the same is stupid.
so what is the point of your comment.
or are you gonna make comments based on taking things out of context and not as a whole ?
AirKingNeo1 votesGnar is literally pick ban pro play right now.
Soraka is literally strong due to Coin and Ardent Censer.
Barely anyone complain about Rakan.
Lulu's polymorph is literally still complained about and Lulu is still a meta pick even after nerfs.
Literally Taliyah, Orianna, and Syndra are the only mages picked in pro play.
No one is talking about Jinx or Vayne.
jwebb01131 votesGnar is literally pick ban pro play right now.
Soraka is literally strong due to Coin and Ardent Censer.
Barely anyone complain about Rakan.
Lulu's polymorph is literally still complained about and Lulu is still a meta pick even after nerfs.
Literally Taliyah, Orianna, and Syndra are the only mages picked in pro play.
No one is talking about Jinx or Vayne.
what happens in pro play isnt what happens in solo queue they are not one in the same
gnar in diamond + has a 48.71% win rate with a 8.09% pick rate and a less then 2% ban rate ( last 7 days in diamond ) and the reason im using 7 day stats is cuz you dismiss the stats based on plat + for the patch 7.16
http://diamond.lolalytics.com/champion/Gnar/
SEE FOR YOURSELF
jwebb01131 voteswhy bring up pro play into conversation about picks /bans and champ strength in NO PRO PLAY ?
Fütanari1 votesGnar is literally pick ban pro play right now.
Soraka is literally strong due to Coin and Ardent Censer.
Barely anyone complain about Rakan.
Lulu's polymorph is literally still complained about and Lulu is still a meta pick even after nerfs.
Literally Taliyah, Orianna, and Syndra are the only mages picked in pro play.
No one is talking about Jinx or Vayne.
they will once vayne does those buffs
AirKingNeo1 votesThose are Vayne nerfs. Losing her Q crit is much more massive than +2% more true damage and 20% of enemy HP healing on kill.
First off, she'll be effected by heal reduction because Bramble Vest is retard level broken, so it's 12% of enemy's HP healed.
Fütanari1 votesThose are Vayne nerfs. Losing her Q crit is much more massive than +2% more true damage and 20% of enemy HP healing on kill.
First off, she'll be effected by heal reduction because Bramble Vest is retard level broken, so it's 12% of enemy's HP healed.
she loses the bonus damage crit. she still crits on her q. Also she will still be able to kill squishes no problem. it isn't like it will take 10 shots to burst them down like it does with tanks.....
and I doubt that unless every single person on the enemy team is wearing it.
jwebb01131 votes pro stats for the entire season are as followed
Bans : 164 Picks : 217 Presence : 13.6% Win rate : 110W - 107L 50.7 %
KDA : 2.6 CS/min : 8.3 DPM : 460
as comparison
pro stats for the entire season
Bans : 172 Picks : 548 Presence : 25.7% Win rate : 291W - 257L
53.1 % KDA : 3.5 CS/min : 7.3 DPM : 337
so what does this tell us that j4 is more popular ... played more often has a higher presence in the PRO SCENE and has a higher WIN RATE KDA
LuxannaVeritas1 votesHey everyone, before you get all whiny about how these 20 champions don't deserve bans and that you think another champion should be banned, read the FRICKING ARGUMENT.
"these are ARGUABLY the strongest champs"
It doesn't freaking matter what champions he puts in those lists, because everyone has a different opinion on what is broken! His argument is still valid; ban out certain strong champs and the next strongest will just take their place.
And no, just because he got the amount of bans wrong doesn't mean his argument is invalid. Even with the correct amount of 40 bans in his case, he's still correct.
So please, if you're going to disagree with him and downvote him, can you actually PROVE why he's wrong with hard facts rather than flimsy opinions?
jwebb01132 votesit dont matter my comments were backed by STATS provided from this patch in plat + elos and people are gonna argue cuz thats the nature of the boards ... in society in general... they disregard facts and use their believes and opinions as fact
we see it in the so called president
LuxannaVeritas1 votesPreach
Nice argument btw; I tried to explain the same concept on another post but failed miserably. I'm not great at writing out my ideas lol
AFilthyCaitMain2 votesbecause do you REALLy want the chance of slipping through?
dominusx3 votesrather deal with a point and click melee 1300dmg nuke than a 700range 700 point and click attack every 0.5 seconds.
BALDG1VEN BOOMER1 votesRather not see it duplicated
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