When is this years annual Ryze rework?
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I know it's a meme but he really does need some changes.
Well he's been sitting in the low 40s for quite some time now. Even after his rework his winrate wasn't where you would've liked it to be. So yeah old man Ryze could use some help.
If they keep trying to change Ryze's buttons but retain his "machine gun turret" playstyle, this will always be the case. Ryze has historically performed much better at a pro level than at the pub level and is the underlying reason why he's so difficult to get "right."
Granted I don't think it's a problem when some champs are better suited to professional play while others are better suited to pub play, but I'm not in charge.
They need to get rid of the instant, targeted snare this time.
He used to have all abilities point click If i remember correctly. So. The formula is every 3rd rework removes one point-click and replaces it with something more counterable in terms of direct counter. We need to wait two more.
5, remember Rito logic, e will be changed first
The targeted snare is needed to deal with hypermobility.
It makes mobile champs tolerable, but really stinks for immobile champs, which is the majority of the top lane roster.
I think a bigger problem is that he's supposed to be burst+dps
He burst per sec*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*
Being a counter to hypermobility was what Viegar buried in a shallow grave out back. He trended in Korea as support countering lee sin/zed all ins and riot broke his legs in like 2 weeks.
The difference is Ryze only works on one person, while Veig could do multiple, so he would support.
Didn't people bitch and moan like the world was ending when Riot started removing instant point-and-click CC because "how else can you counter the hyper mobility creep"?
Why is this in gameplay and why is it upvoted lol
Because it's a real question, like we know he is going to get another rework, so it would be nice to know when to see the next one.
the real question is who is first?
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Rengar not going to get a rework or even reverted. Riot wants him to be a bruiser now not an assassin :(
nah they're going to... they always do....
I actually like the current iteration of ryze, especially his ult and e functionality. I just think they went overboard with nerfing him. They nerfed his shield strength, movespeed bonus, w duration, e cooldown, and they shaved off 20 percent of his damage (particularly in the late game). And there was no compensation given for any of those nerfs.
At least with azir they gave some time in between patches to see how he was doing before nerfing him, but with ryze they legit kept nerfing him every single patch. I just think there needs to be buffs somewhere to his kit.
But he was doing that pro-play thing he does where he crowds out other picks.
I think even in his current state he was played at MSI right?
only a few times though, not to the degree that he was previously.
ya but if they were to buff him he would definitely crowd out a ton of other picks. I just don't think ryze can be pick-able in ranked without being broken in pro-play
You don't compensate nerfs.
You don't compensate nerfs.
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Yeah you do. Jinx for example, nerfed the early game attack speed she could get from q but buffed the late game attack speed from it. Or we have azir, after the several nerfs they gave him, they then made it easier for him to do the shurima shuffle as well as removing the cdr=attack speed part of his kit which was wonky. There are plenty of examples of compensation buffs during or following nerfs.
as funny as this is, the funniest Thing about it is how true it sounds...riot just refuses to change his rune prison (point and click W snare) which is exactly what caused him to be problematic ever since his creation. His skills are really great and fine but his W is the issue, honestly if i was charged with a ryze rework id make his Q an point&click and his root a skillshot then probably add some minor balancing changes around his W and E interactions.
Q being a skillshot is a good thing. It can be used to stack tear, check unwarded bushes, hit stealthed units, and of course get the MS/shield without enemy targets.
W has been nerfed pretty heavily, and I hardly think a .75 instant snare is oppressive. Without it, how will he ever hit enemies? He just needs some power redistribution throughout his kit.
I mean if they made his snare a skillshot it would be reasonable enough to give him some damage buffs and increased snare duration since he would lose some reliability.
the Problem with his snare is that it is point and click and the Skill with the biggest range in his kit. even if 0.75 that is enough for a ryze to shoot out his entire full dps combo. The reason it is so hard to balance since 3 reworks is his snare. an instant cast, point and click hard CC spell with an 600 cast range (is the same as a cait AA range) you can nerf him all you want he will still find a way to become broken in Terms of power because of that spell, we see it as of right now, his winrate may lie really fking low but that is also mostly because he is now pretty difficult to Play AND even more lategame reliant than his last version. If it was for Terms of powers alone we can be pretty sure ryze would have his current winrate +10% at least.
as much as i like his design right now, no rework ever will make him balanced if they make his snare a point and click or an instant cast. at least give it an animation!
as Cheesyjoe said, make it a skillshot but make it maybe more rewarding to land it
Caitlyn aa range is 650...
{quoted} and I hardly think a .75 instant snare is oppressive. Without it, how will he ever hit enemies?
The same way Ezreal lands his.
A point and click root on a champion that has also the ability to 100-0 you at the first mistake should never be a thing.
I know Annie doesn't have an instant root, but isn't her ultimate and W practically instant? It's incredibly hard to actually miss it, unless the user misclicks. Just position your cursor over the enemy champion and they'll be stunned (arguably better than a root). Even better is that it can afflict multiple targets. She has the ability to 100-0 too.
There's no way Ryze can 100-0 unless he's already fed. Don't believe me, play some games of Ryze yourself. Countless times Lux's tried to trade with Ryze, trying to auto him for that bonus damage. Don't walk to Ryze, that's what he wants. Use your range to your advantage. It's a massive one. You can effectively poke him out of lane and build up a CS lead.
It's funny cuz his latest rework left him in need of yet another rework.
It's going to be on the 11th of september. They are giving him true damage to towers.
Ya know, that took me a few seconds, but damn if it wasn't the funniest shit.
They could delete him and focus their efforts elsewhere.
Good question b/c he is definitely trash tier right now.
Should be coming up soon. I hear they are even changing his name to Urgot or Evelynn this time.
It will be revealed to be the next one after Urgot is revealed. So he will appear at the very end of the year after Eve is completed.
its funny because ive been preaching that he needs nerfed since his rework but nope everyone disagreed with me, here I am now laughing at all these comments
Its not that he needs nerfs he currently has the worst mid winrate and one of the worst top win rates. It's that is kit is super unhealthy and needs to be changed for him to every be fun to play against. unhealthly kit ≠ overpowered Edit if your talking about right after he was reworked, then yes he was overpowered and needed a nerf.
Jokes aside, he actually needs another rework.
Ryze already got his full visual & gameplay update, if they ever work on him again it will be small gameplay teaks
Which one?
Which one?
This one, it was his acctual VGU
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/page/champion-update-ryze-rune-mage
Oh, I thought you were talking about the previous one from 5.8 where he got a visual update and a new kit as well. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-58-notes
Or his gameplay update from 1.0.0.139 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.139
Or his rebalance from 1.0.0.111 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.111
Or from 1.0.0.98 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.98
Or from 1.0.0.74 which included a full base stat overhaul. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.74
Or the earlier gameplay update from 1.0.0.61 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.61
You can see why this has become a running gag now.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the previous one from 5.8 where he got a visual update and a new kit as well. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-58-notes
Or his gameplay update from 1.0.0.139 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.139
Or his rebalance from 1.0.0.111 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.111
Or from 1.0.0.98 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.98
Or from 1.0.0.74 which included a full base stat overhaul. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.74
Or the earlier gameplay update from 1.0.0.61 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.61
You can see why this has become a running gag now.
he never got a visual update in the previous ones just gameplay and temporary texture updates same with Swain, Cho'gath, Akali etc they also got similar ones but their visual updates are yet to come, Ryze got his VU already now
And? Just because they made a new model doesn't mean they will keep the kit. They've scrapped it before, they'll scrap it again. Ryze is one of the poster champions of League of Legends, and he will keep getting reworked until he is perfect.
Call of Ryze, BattleRyze, Ryze's Creed....
It was a really bad choice to give him that ultimate, now he's impossible to balance for both pro play and casual play.
This time Riot could give him an ult that is usefull in solo Q