When is this years annual Ryze rework?

BALDG1VEN BOOMER··141 votes·4,712 views

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SweedishGunner29 votes

I know it's a meme but he really does need some changes.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER4 votes

Well he's been sitting in the low 40s for quite some time now. Even after his rework his winrate wasn't where you would've liked it to be. So yeah old man Ryze could use some help.

ForeverLaxx3 votes

If they keep trying to change Ryze's buttons but retain his "machine gun turret" playstyle, this will always be the case. Ryze has historically performed much better at a pro level than at the pub level and is the underlying reason why he's so difficult to get "right."

Granted I don't think it's a problem when some champs are better suited to professional play while others are better suited to pub play, but I'm not in charge.

Votable Jester32 votes

They need to get rid of the instant, targeted snare this time.

Velzard of Koz20 votes

He used to have all abilities point click If i remember correctly. So. The formula is every 3rd rework removes one point-click and replaces it with something more counterable in terms of direct counter. We need to wait two more.

HeimerLmao9 votes

5, remember Rito logic, e will be changed first

Troll for Trump8 votes

The targeted snare is needed to deal with hypermobility.

It makes mobile champs tolerable, but really stinks for immobile champs, which is the majority of the top lane roster.

I think a bigger problem is that he's supposed to be burst+dps

Sun Wu Ryuumoku6 votes

He burst per sec*[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]*

MetalGearTeemu2 votes

Being a counter to hypermobility was what Viegar buried in a shallow grave out back. He trended in Korea as support countering lee sin/zed all ins and riot broke his legs in like 2 weeks.

Troll for Trump1 votes

The difference is Ryze only works on one person, while Veig could do multiple, so he would support.

Leetri2 votes

Didn't people bitch and moan like the world was ending when Riot started removing instant point-and-click CC because "how else can you counter the hyper mobility creep"?

PePsiLemoNN7 votes

Why is this in gameplay and why is it upvoted lol

Altonius Amakiir13 votes

Because it's a real question, like we know he is going to get another rework, so it would be nice to know when to see the next one.

RainbowIcee2 votes

the real question is who is first? Rengar or Ryze ?

Big Black Croc1 votes

Rengar not going to get a rework or even reverted. Riot wants him to be a bruiser now not an assassin :(

RainbowIcee1 votes

nah they're going to... they always do....

SpongebobIsLife7 votes

I actually like the current iteration of ryze, especially his ult and e functionality. I just think they went overboard with nerfing him. They nerfed his shield strength, movespeed bonus, w duration, e cooldown, and they shaved off 20 percent of his damage (particularly in the late game). And there was no compensation given for any of those nerfs.

At least with azir they gave some time in between patches to see how he was doing before nerfing him, but with ryze they legit kept nerfing him every single patch. I just think there needs to be buffs somewhere to his kit.

SweedishGunner1 votes

But he was doing that pro-play thing he does where he crowds out other picks.

I think even in his current state he was played at MSI right?

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

only a few times though, not to the degree that he was previously.

ntbcool2 votes

ya but if they were to buff him he would definitely crowd out a ton of other picks. I just don't think ryze can be pick-able in ranked without being broken in pro-play

Blåbæret2 votes

You don't compensate nerfs.

FutureCreator5 votes

{quoted}

You don't compensate nerfs.

Unless it's Fizz or LeeSin

SpongebobIsLife2 votes

Yeah you do. Jinx for example, nerfed the early game attack speed she could get from q but buffed the late game attack speed from it. Or we have azir, after the several nerfs they gave him, they then made it easier for him to do the shurima shuffle as well as removing the cdr=attack speed part of his kit which was wonky. There are plenty of examples of compensation buffs during or following nerfs.

Eternal Torment6 votes

as funny as this is, the funniest Thing about it is how true it sounds...riot just refuses to change his rune prison (point and click W snare) which is exactly what caused him to be problematic ever since his creation. His skills are really great and fine but his W is the issue, honestly if i was charged with a ryze rework id make his Q an point&click and his root a skillshot then probably add some minor balancing changes around his W and E interactions.

Danjeng2 votes

Q being a skillshot is a good thing. It can be used to stack tear, check unwarded bushes, hit stealthed units, and of course get the MS/shield without enemy targets.

W has been nerfed pretty heavily, and I hardly think a .75 instant snare is oppressive. Without it, how will he ever hit enemies? He just needs some power redistribution throughout his kit.

Weight of Law2 votes

I mean if they made his snare a skillshot it would be reasonable enough to give him some damage buffs and increased snare duration since he would lose some reliability.

Eternal Torment1 votes

the Problem with his snare is that it is point and click and the Skill with the biggest range in his kit. even if 0.75 that is enough for a ryze to shoot out his entire full dps combo. The reason it is so hard to balance since 3 reworks is his snare. an instant cast, point and click hard CC spell with an 600 cast range (is the same as a cait AA range) you can nerf him all you want he will still find a way to become broken in Terms of power because of that spell, we see it as of right now, his winrate may lie really fking low but that is also mostly because he is now pretty difficult to Play AND even more lategame reliant than his last version. If it was for Terms of powers alone we can be pretty sure ryze would have his current winrate +10% at least.

as much as i like his design right now, no rework ever will make him balanced if they make his snare a point and click or an instant cast. at least give it an animation!

as Cheesyjoe said, make it a skillshot but make it maybe more rewarding to land it

KuroCaliber1 votes

Caitlyn aa range is 650...

Fools Hesltate1 votes

{quoted} and I hardly think a .75 instant snare is oppressive. Without it, how will he ever hit enemies?

The same way Ezreal lands his.

LordBrasca1 votes

A point and click root on a champion that has also the ability to 100-0 you at the first mistake should never be a thing.

Danjeng1 votes

I know Annie doesn't have an instant root, but isn't her ultimate and W practically instant? It's incredibly hard to actually miss it, unless the user misclicks. Just position your cursor over the enemy champion and they'll be stunned (arguably better than a root). Even better is that it can afflict multiple targets. She has the ability to 100-0 too.

There's no way Ryze can 100-0 unless he's already fed. Don't believe me, play some games of Ryze yourself. Countless times Lux's tried to trade with Ryze, trying to auto him for that bonus damage. Don't walk to Ryze, that's what he wants. Use your range to your advantage. It's a massive one. You can effectively poke him out of lane and build up a CS lead.

TricolorStar5 votes

It's funny cuz his latest rework left him in need of yet another rework.

Sp33d Zer05 votes

It's going to be on the 11th of september. They are giving him true damage to towers.

winteriscoming971 votes

Ya know, that took me a few seconds, but damn if it wasn't the funniest shit.

Teemodanegro3 votes

They could delete him and focus their efforts elsewhere.

Alex h87212 votes

Good question b/c he is definitely trash tier right now.

Bright Turtle2 votes

Should be coming up soon. I hear they are even changing his name to Urgot or Evelynn this time.

Sukishoo2 votes

It will be revealed to be the next one after Urgot is revealed. So he will appear at the very end of the year after Eve is completed.

Karakot2 votes

its funny because ive been preaching that he needs nerfed since his rework but nope everyone disagreed with me, here I am now laughing at all these comments

ntbcool1 votes

Its not that he needs nerfs he currently has the worst mid winrate and one of the worst top win rates. It's that is kit is super unhealthy and needs to be changed for him to every be fun to play against. unhealthly kit ≠ overpowered Edit if your talking about right after he was reworked, then yes he was overpowered and needed a nerf.

Doozku2 votes

Jokes aside, he actually needs another rework.

Digielf1 votes

Ryze already got his full visual & gameplay update, if they ever work on him again it will be small gameplay teaks

Nilok1 votes

Which one?

Digielf1 votes
Nilok1 votes

Oh, I thought you were talking about the previous one from 5.8 where he got a visual update and a new kit as well. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-58-notes

Or his gameplay update from 1.0.0.139 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.139

Or his rebalance from 1.0.0.111 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.111

Or from 1.0.0.98 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.98

Or from 1.0.0.74 which included a full base stat overhaul. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.74

Or the earlier gameplay update from 1.0.0.61 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.61

You can see why this has become a running gag now.

Digielf1 votes

{quoted}

Oh, I thought you were talking about the previous one from 5.8 where he got a visual update and a new kit as well. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-58-notes

Or his gameplay update from 1.0.0.139 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.139

Or his rebalance from 1.0.0.111 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.111

Or from 1.0.0.98 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.98

Or from 1.0.0.74 which included a full base stat overhaul. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.74

Or the earlier gameplay update from 1.0.0.61 http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/V1.0.0.61

You can see why this has become a running gag now.

he never got a visual update in the previous ones just gameplay and temporary texture updates same with Swain, Cho'gath, Akali etc they also got similar ones but their visual updates are yet to come, Ryze got his VU already now

Nilok1 votes

And? Just because they made a new model doesn't mean they will keep the kit. They've scrapped it before, they'll scrap it again. Ryze is one of the poster champions of League of Legends, and he will keep getting reworked until he is perfect.

SEKAI1 votes

Call of Ryze, BattleRyze, Ryze's Creed....

SB Arneeman1 votes

It was a really bad choice to give him that ultimate, now he's impossible to balance for both pro play and casual play.

Altarious1 votes

This time Riot could give him an ult that is usefull in solo Q

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