Rito, you can beat us up, but don't lie to us.

The Ecdysiast · 2017-11-16T21:05:22.665Z

I've been playing this game since the end of season 2. Early last year, I acquired every single champion and had the IP left over to get every champion release as they came out. For the last 12 champions I needed (including new releases), I only paid 5100 for those 6300-7800 champions because that's all it cost to reroll 3 shards. Riot decided that they would remove the option to reroll champions because, and here comes the lie, it would be easier to get the shards for champions you want with the new system, even if you don't get the BE for them. This is blatantly false. Even the vast majority who were already level 30 are getting primarily shards worth 90 BE--- champions that any new player would have by level 30 if they've got a friend reminding them to buy champions. And the WORST part is they're often repeats of the same shard in the same capsule. I got 3 Ryze shards from one, not counting the 3 Ryze shards I got from the other two. I won't even go on the rant I was planning about how this system fucks over us players who own every champ and will never run out of our old stockpile of IP for new releases, but just know that it fucks us over even more since we get basically nothing for leveling up.

PB4UAMENov 17, 20173 votes

Given that they have lied or falisified every set of data I have seen in official posts, they are just straight lying and bullshitting us. Trust absolutely nothing they say, as their math isn't even correct (check it yourself, or look at the many posts that have already done so for you, on here or Reddit).

MrKyngNov 17, 20171 votes

I am sorry you do not trust them, but I think they have been trying to be very open and truthful about what they know and what people are asking. Why should I trust you more than them? They have staked their careers on working with the people who play League so clearly they are invested in figuring out how to do things right (and also that make them money (by keeping customers)). Are you a pro at math? You should apply to work for them if you have solutions. My 60% thing was misleading. You pay 60% and use the shard instead of disenchanting it which equals another 20% and they give you the last 20% for free. I have been trying to understand how it all works and I don't guarantee that I do yet, but nothing they have said has seemed to me to be meant to mislead.

The EcdysiastNov 17, 20174 votes

No, it really is just a lie.

PB4UAMENov 18, 20171 votes

You could start with actually checking the bullshit maths they have posted, like I suggested. Or take the alternative route, that I also suggested, and simply look at the analysis already done by a plethora of others. Maths is not something you can lie in and remain undiscovered; it is extremely simple to check and prove work, which if you attempt to do with their maths, you will not find the same result that they are claiming-- far from it.

Stupid IdeaNov 17, 20172 votes

60% part is a lie (or at least misleading). Its obviously 80% cause you are consuming the shard too and that accounts for 20%. 60% of BE is just the upgrade part. In other words if you sold the shard and kept the BE you would have 80% of champion BE cost. A couple of examples so you don't need to lookup: Sion Champion cost: 1350 BE Shard disenchant: 270 BE (270 / 1350 = 0.2) Upgrade: 810 BE (810 / 1350 = 0.6) (270 + 810) / 1350 = 0.8

Shen Champion cost: 3150 BE Shard disenchant: 630 BE (630 / 3150 = 0.2) Upgrade: 1890 BE (1890 / 3150 = 0.6) (630 + 1890) / 3150 = 0.8

Tzuyu Is My BiasNov 17, 20171 votes

Your very last comment already tells why it is not satisfying. It takes longer to feel progress. If they kept the current amount of average BE but you get BE after every game, it would be more satisfying. Think of having like 6200 IP in the old system and you want a new champ. You go and play 1 or 2 games and get the missing IP to buy the champ right away. With the new system if you have 6200 BE but you are at the beginning of your level, you need to play an average of 12 games to get the missing BE from a capsule or even worse, you get only one 90 BE shard from it, you don't even get the missing 100 BE and you need another 12 games to surely get it. This system is worse in every way to every single player.

MrKyngNov 17, 20171 votes

You are always... now I am wondering at the 50/100/150 and such levels if you do not... going to get at least 810 BE worth of shards. That might come in 1 or 2 or 3 shards but if you need less than that amount, you can be confident you will have enough after the next level.

An annoyance I have seen is for people who get a shard they want to keep and use, but they were also hoping to use the BE to get a different champ and then you have to make a choice.

Thanks for filling me in about how many games it takes to get to another level on average, I have been curious. Cactopus showed the toughest levels take 3600ish xp to level up.

Tzuyu Is My BiasNov 17, 20171 votes

Yeah it's about 10 games in easy levels and possibly double that at toughest levels

The EcdysiastNov 17, 20173 votes

No game company should EXPECT you to be playing 4 times the healthy amount to be sitting still in a day just to get 1/138th of their characters.

And that 810 minimum is just a lie. 90+90+90+90+150 is what I got on my last level-up capsule. 510.

Rito, you can beat us up, but don't lie to us.

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