AP Pantheon with movement speed on Q is healthy now

D357R0Y3R··6 votes·2,422 views

As it stands today Viktor is permabanned in competitive if anyone cared to take a look

Meddler tells you that he's healthy because he only works in "some" match ups

You would think that the balance team of riot would improve like any human being doing something over and over again but no? we had ryze top giving cancer to people for 3 years straight, and didn't learn from it

whatever

21 Comments

Death by Glamour3 votes

May seem lile an odd suggestion but why dont people just play his assasins divers or other mages into him?

Salron4 votes

A champion having counters does not make them balanced

ShadWooo2 votes

I wish that would be a fact around which riot balances champions but it isn't the case (Kassadin, LB, Irelia and list go on...).

Death by Glamour3 votes

Playing a ranged champion into tanks/immobile melee juggernauts and winning lane doesnt make him op either

0 Hogapu2 votes

played Camille, couldnt do shit against it

Sharpest glasses2 votes

Seems like you are smarter than pros /s.

They dont picks assassins nor divers against Viktor cause they know how to play the lane. So Viktor will just abuse any assassin, then he'll be too tanky for assassins. And with Viktor you'll have lane priority.

Death by Glamour1 votes

Could you explain why talon and irelia are his top lane counters then?

D357R0Y3R2 votes

you pick talon in pro against vik you lose the game because you played talon

As for Irelia yes she's busted that's why

Death by Glamour1 votes

You would have said playing viktor top in a pro game was a troll pick and instant lose a month ago...

Remember last year when blitz was picked in the ardent meta during the worlds champion ship

Or viegar mid played by hai the year before that

D357R0Y3R1 votes

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You would have said playing viktor top in a pro game was a troll pick and instant lose a month ago...

I don't think so, I don't give my opinion on things I have no clue about

But It doesn't matter now, There are a ton of arguments about why Viktor toplane is too strong, if he weren't pros wouldn't permaban him.

Death by Glamour3 votes

Well then this is just a glorified qq thread

Sharpest glasses1 votes

Blitz... but they still took an ardent in the team. From my memory it was leona sup along Karma mid, then Ivern (nidalee ardent was a thing too)

ShadWooo1 votes

Ahahaha I love these meta sheeps right?

A week ago, I bet this guy was one of those "Aatrox/Urgot needs huge nerfs" board posters. If we told him that pick Viktor top then he would say the same shit as now :D.

But then Viktor is picked top (and btw he is not even doing very well) suddenly Viktor top is broken, in 1 day champion.gg has not only enough data for this pick to show winrate but also says he has insanely huge pickrate and also number of games played - this just means that all sheeps just started OTPing Viktor top and now we have "Viktor top is broken and needs nerf" boards posters and when you say them pick this champion they say you can't because it wasn't played at worlds.

Anyway, I can confirm that assassins and divers are or rather should be counter to toplane IBG Viktor. Especially AP assassins like LB, Akali should work extremely well because the average Viktor top meta sheep player will play Klepto and rush IBG every single game. IBG is really powerful item in lane against AD but won't give much besides 20% cdr against AP. But even AD assassins and divers should work well because the main reason Viktor is so lane dominant is his spammable shield and continuous damage. But if you jump on him and burst him hard he won't be able to return the trade as he will be too low to do that safely (if he won't be dead already...).

Obviously if someone pick Camille, engages with hookshot and misses the stun, then he will not only lose the trade but will also eat the return damage on disengage... Doesn't mean Camille does not work against him though. Basically every strong 1v1 duelist and splitpusher will work. Even when Viktor will have advantage early, 3 items and he won't be able to stay in lane.

Sharpest glasses1 votes

Irelia is OP... And she have an anti shield. She's good against range anyway.

When you play talon top, you'll still roam anyway (feel free to look at Yamikaze).

King Manatee2 votes

Inb4 they nerf him and leave Mid Viktor in the dumpster too.. as if he already wasn't a sub-optimal pick :^)

Death by Glamour2 votes

Honestly

Make ibg slow melee only and increase the price of sheen by 100g

The chanpion himself isnt busted its the synergy between the slow his w and q movement speed

Sharpest glasses1 votes

The champion is busted when played top. As most range he's able to abuse melee during early. But he's able to scale and keep bullying despite investing in tank item item 3025

Death by Glamour1 votes

Hence why i said make the slow melee only

Sharpest glasses1 votes

the slow isnt the only issue

Death by Glamour1 votes

Yes i listed 3 reasons...

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