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Evelynn is unplayable

Saianna··8 votes·1,809 views

Whoever seen my posts about Evelynn knows that i despise her after rework. Just had a chance to play her after her nerf to W. Now I despise her even more.

She. Is. a. f#cking. garbage.

Q - that's slower than Anivias base movement speed. Low damage. W - That doesn't help her 1 bit. Chase after dreams. E - you need to target someone. Low damage, long animation. CRAP R - No damage tank ultimate. Idiotic.

With 300ap~~, item 3100 ,item 3285 ,item 3151, item 3020 + some raw Ap. I could NOT deal decent damage vs full damage ADC lucian. Then he dashed away and killed me in 4 basic AAs.

Her abilities deal no serious damage. She lacks nuke, Every other assassin has it. Eve doesn't. To play her you have to build a tank. Why the f#ck do I have to build her as pure tank? Why ... AP Nasus with only 2 abilities (E & R) deals more damage in single strike than me while hitting and chasing for 5 seconds?!

Riot. Revert her to her former glory, pre reworked state. Just change stun into slow or fear. Are you afraid of her stealth being too OP? I can tell you that it will be OP. But players will have to learn buying pink wards and it won't be OP anymore.

EDIT: we have some quiet downvoter who has fetish playing current Evelynn.

EDIT 2: It makes me wonder. When Seji or any champion with decent playerbase gets just tiny whiny little nerfed, than boards are full of anger and hate. But lookie lookie, Evelynn she's weak like xth year but yeah who gives a crap.. That is BS...

50 Comments

AkabaneKun2 votes

Actually riot just needs to give the tools they gave TT map to everyone and they can stop butchering stealth champs, i prefer ppl having counters to my passive but actually do my job of assassinating ppl than have a charc that can't be good at anything.

Saianna1 votes

May I ask what kind of tools TT has to prevent butchering stealth champions?

I do admit, old Evelynn was OP. But her OPness came from Riots ignorance. They've choosen to destroy Evelynn instead of fix her. Because it's cheaper..

AngelSpite1 votes

It was said that she was danger for the newest players and will make them leave. :/

Saianna1 votes

Yeah.. Like smurfs don't do it since S1 :|

That argument would collapse from fleas fart. Really.

AngelSpite1 votes

It was something similar. She was not healthy for the game and forced bot lane to be under tower. - Rito 2011.

Saianna2 votes

Yup, that's right. But the best part of being bot Eve. Just 10 seconds of her mia = whole maps in warning pings.

God.. i miss that

AkabaneKun1 votes

{quoted}

May I ask what kind of tools TT has to prevent butchering stealth champions?

I do admit, old Evelynn was OP. But her OPness came from Riots ignorance. They've choosen to destroy Evelynn instead of fix her. Because it's cheaper..

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Saianna1 votes

I though all of them were in normal SR @_@ Looks like i play too much ARAMs

EmpressStrange2 votes

My last 2 Eve games 25/14/13 & 18/8/2. I could literately 1v3 in both games and in the 25 kill game I had so much gold I changed my build 3 times and still rekt them. I'm freaking bronze and I have no problems with eve. Learn to either build her right or learn to play her right.

Saianna2 votes

Just in case you were troll baiting me, i've checked your profile. Yeah. You are bronze V.

Have in mind that bronze is just 1st division. Players there are new or just not good. Your score could have been luck, skills, or lack of enemy skills.

Now. Evelynn. Problem with her is: She has nothing connecting her to assassins group except her stealth. It's like calling Soraka an assassin just because she rushed at enemy from tall grass.

EmpressStrange1 votes

Bronze V Is my lowest placement in the last 2 years I was one game away from being Silver V last season but never got around to finishing promos. So it is quite possible I was better than the enemy team on several occasions. However, I've never played eve in ranked so everyone in the lobby was around my MMR. But like I posted below this I do Cinderhulk Tank Eve with triforce as my only damage item and I still burst people to death with how frequently you can proc the triforce sheen with her q on such a low cooldown and her E giving her attack speed with crib chance thanks to triforce you have a higher burst chance.

Saianna1 votes

playing Evelynn as a tank and having nerve to say she's viable assassin -.- I'm kinda pissed at your ignorance right now.

EmpressStrange1 votes

Never said she was a viable assassin. This thread is about her being "unplayable" and she is playable and can technically "assassinate" people even as a tank/bruiser. Considering you're the one who posted this garbage in the first place doesn't that make you the ignorant one? Even if you think I am, that just means you're worse than ignorant. Maybe dirt, mud, or aquaman level of retardation on your part?

Darth Pixy Misa1 votes

{quoted}

My last 2 Eve games 25/14/13 & 18/8/2. I could literately 1v3 in both games and in the 25 kill game I had so much gold I changed my build 3 times and still rekt them. I'm freaking bronze and I have no problems with eve. Learn to either build her right or learn to play her right.

I checked, 2 sites and on your na account it has no listings for eve play.

With this latest nerf Eve cant even keep pace with champs running away. a good way for her to damage champs was spam q while running to or away from champs with liandries and rylias built, But she cant do that now......

EmpressStrange1 votes

I checked my match history on the League home site to make sure I got the Kda right I had problems finding it but its there. I usually do Tank eve with Cinderhulk on this patch. My 25/14/13 game I had Cinderhulk, triforce, boots of swiftness fury, Randuin's Omen, Banshee's Veil, and Frozen Mallet (before switching to a more burst damage build). I had no problem keeping up with anyone and could chase people down or get away from them easily unless I was gang banged to death with all their cc and ults. I did the same thing with the other game but I was so far ahead I only built 1 tank item other than Cinderhulk and they couldn't touch me.

Sukishoo2 votes

She is very much playable. I just used her last night. 5/5/28, and that was from building full tank. Other games with more AD damage were 9/6/10, 9/3/3, 2/0/4, 13/12/18... so yeah she does pretty good but this is also because no one builds her AP these days. She hasn't really been much for AP since season 2-3.

Saianna2 votes

Ok, maybe title is misleading.

She is playable, but as a tank or AD fighter. While She is unplayable as assassin ("get in fight, kill ppl, leave with huge explosions behind you" Zed.)

AngelSpite3 votes

The problem is that she is NOT A TANK. Her skills are based on magic, not on CC and stacking hp. Gypsylord's answer was the stupidest thing I have ever read. I can't believe that Evelynn is given to him. It seems how much riot cares about the Widowmaker. Oh, how can i forgot Mr. Iron. Two years keep telling us that they will take a deep look at Evelynn's model. No such thing ladies and gentleman, Evelynn's role is so hard to understand - bullsh*t, this character is a half vampire and comes from the Shadow Isles, second her favourite color is pink, she loves wearing hills and being sexy. TWO WORDS - SEXY VAMPIRE - that is her. New pink dress, hair, make up and beautiful long nails and taper hills. Disgusting ignorance of Evelynn.

AngelSpite1 votes

They will tell you that her stealth is toxic and she can burst everyone down with that op passive. Nobody can clean Evelynn S1 from their minds.

Saianna2 votes

Considering she's supposed to be an assassin i dare say, she should be able to kill on her own.

Right now you cannot unless you face (easy) bots.

AngelSpite2 votes

The PBE should accept Evelynn's mains. The balance team does not have an idea what to do with Eve. This company will make me to leave LOL, the only champion I play, was nerfed to the ground AGAIN!

Saianna2 votes

I have never participated in PBE. I believe others would do better with their feedback than me.

I have a solution for pink mess they have made. It might not be hard to implement. 1.) Return pre-reworked Evelynn in PBE 2.) Gather feedback if she's too OP or not from PBE testers. 3.) Slowly nerf/buff parts every few days 4.) Again, Gather feedback if she's too OP or not from PBE testers. 5.) Put her as bonus champion in normal/custom games (like Evelynn 2.0) 6.) Gather feedback if she's too OP or not from normal players 7.) Proceed to buff/nerf parts that might be toxic/too strong/weak 8.) Sell few old Evelynn skins, so it won't be a huge loss 9.) Drink pinacolada with your corpo friends 10.) And done.

AngelSpite1 votes

Haha! :D

Sightless661 votes

That wouldn't really work well. The PBE is terrible for gathering data about whether or not something is healthy, or needs slighty number tweaks or other things like that. It can only find the widest possible problems with something. All it really is good for is basic feedback and finding bugs. This is due to large skill discrepancies in matchmaking and people playing very unrealistic games due to testing things. You could put old Eve up on the PBE, but chances are we'd learn nothing of value, and it would just piss Eve fans off if Riot ended up deciding not to ship it after putting it on the PBE. That sort of testing is best done on a private alpha server.

Saianna1 votes

Then lemme add 1 more point: 0.5.) Create offical thread in boards named "looking for old Evelyn fans for PBE testing"

You'd get 17131698472823842378546 asks and begs for joining PBE. That will cover terrible attitude of casual PBE testers

Sightless661 votes

Even if that fixed the problems relating to the playerbase , it is not worth it in terms of work put in compared to useful data received ((and I'm almost completely convinced it wouldn't fix those problems. Even if you could create every single game with 10 Eve mains (which you can't do because of the low server capacity), you still have the problem of inaccurate skill matching). You can get better data by not using the PBE because you can more quickly and efficiently test kit variations without having to try to make a design immediately appealing to players (for example, it's not uncommon to test skills without accurately matching particles, which would upset players to no end). It would take a hell of a lot of time to put things in a state where you could present them on the PBE, and you aren't getting much useful information for doing it. It's much, much less efficient than just having dedicated developers and testers try things out on a private alpha server.

You also still have the problems of raising fan expectations and getting them attached to many things that probably won't come out. Say that they put old Eve on the PBE and then pulled it. Do you know how many people would flip out over that? I mean, Darius had one change on the PBE that was temporarily removed, and the forums blew up with people threatening to quit. People will get attached to any random thing you throw on there. You'd also have the problem of complaints from fans of other champions ("Why is Eve receiving all this PBE work when my champion isn't), and it would be literally impossible to maintain this level of testing for multiple champions. There is a lot of risk for negative PR, without much potential data to gain. It's a bad use for a beta server. The PBE is for bugtesting and limited feedback. That's all it is good for, and that is all it will be good for without a massive expansion to its capabalities.

I understand where you're coming from, but it's just not practical or useful unless the PBE was made into a full-size server with a much, much larger playerbase. Right now, it can't work.

Saianna1 votes

Say.. Does your job involve crushing dreams? Cause you are damn good at it :/

God dammit!

I just want my pink assassin back Q_Q

Sigh

Sightless661 votes

Well, I do tell people they are going to die a lot, so I guess it kind of does? Sorry if I'm being a bit harsh. I really get where you're coming from with this idea, and it would be really good if we could support it. I'd like it a ton too, and it would feel really good to be a part of. However, even if this specific idea isn't feasible, I still think it would be great if Riot would do something to increase transparency and show that they've actually been working hard on our favorite champions (which, if I understand you right, is at the heart of your proposal.)

One thing I do wish Riot would do is be more open about what they have tried for certain champions, and what direction they are looking at. For example, I assume they have been testing things for Eve, but they never tell us what they are if those ideas fail (if they haven't been testing things, we have a bigger problem). If they told us about things they tested that didn't work, then it would not only tell us that our champions were receiving attention, but it could also tell us more about the design process and what design ideas Riot values, which could inspire better community suggestions. It would also take relatively low resources on their end, because writing up brief reports on tested ideas is most likely done anyway, and it wouldn't take long to have someone expand them into a paragraph every once in a while (I could imagine a report being given once a month or so detailing some testing on a group of champions).

A side benefit would be allowing us to weigh in on specific changes and how they would affect our playstyles before they were ready for release (for example, giving early opinions on this Eve change). At the very least though, I do think the Rioters have realized that the Eve changes were nerfs, and there was apparently some discussion of giving her ult a minimum damage back. So, you know, that might be kind of nice.

KidSpectre1 votes

Eve is playable, this much is true. For my personal playstyle, the W change didn't affect my winrate with her much if at all. Probably a large factor in that would be because I don't build her pure AP. (Crit is King)

Saianna1 votes

Yay, good for you.

For me she's unplayable.

But seriously, clea your mind and answer this question:

"with her current kit, is she an assassin?"

Think about other assassins, what they have in common, what do they excel at.

KidSpectre1 votes

Well... to be honest, she's kind of a half-assassin? Her passive let's her sneak around and position well enough to get picks. That's Assassin-like. Problem is, she can't kill things in one burst (like many assassins). She does very high consistent damage, like some Mages. But she also has combat steroids like a Fighter So, it's kind of tough to tell.

I would say Eve, as she is right now, is stuck somewhere between Assassin and Mage, but is also able to be played like a Fighter.

Saianna1 votes

Thank you for answering, mind if i tell you how i look at it?

Eve doesn't have good gap closer. She has to burn her W for ms boost. Because she's visible on using any skill (W) she has to have some HP for taking punishments Because she needs HP Riot decided to give her pure-tank ultimate Because she has that ultimate they had to reduce her damage on all parts, otherwise you'd have hurtful Tank. Bad idea Because she doesn't have enough damage she has to chase people Assassins don't chase, they kill.

I have tried playing Evelynn as AP assassin. I said it in thread. Showed my build. Problem is halfassed AP nasus did more damage than me. That's just wrong.

Second thing: "Evelynn can pass trough wards unseen", but her ganks are just bad, because she has no decent CC/damage to kill her targets.. So.. It's not OP, just lame

OperationDEEZ11 votes

She's playable, you just suck.

Saianna1 votes

Checked your match history Silver vs bronze/unranked.

Dem trollz

P.S You have shit ton of lost games as Eve. Lemme guess, because other teammates did badly?

NewOnyx1 votes

Although i dont play eve, ive seen my friend roam as eve jungle and go on massive killstreaks, he w's then e's the fuck outa there team. HOWEVER the lane ur ganking needs cc or shes useless

Penguin Eclipse1 votes

I have to agree. Her damage sucks. Her ability to tank sucks. Her CC sucks. Her mobility sucks for an assassin. I love her passive but even that isn't very good anymore.

She's more or less unplayable anywhere outside the jungle. And she isn't even good at that because she has no sustain and isn't naturally tanky. And for a champion who is invisible, her ganks suck.

Saianna1 votes

Thank you for agreeing.

Linna Excel1 votes

Considering how bad her base damage stinks, I kind of wish her abilities scaled better. In the jungle it's still going to be awhile before she finishes her first item so that should delay her early game presence somewhat in itself.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Well after reading some of your comments i see you just want her to be OP again because you thought it was fun. It is fun to play OP champions some times but i try to avoid playing them as much as i can. I use to play Jarvan top before it became super popular and would absolutely destroy, i thought it was my skill until it became popular and i realized he was just OP.

Evelynn is weak right now, very weak. Her kit makes no sense whatsoever and it has pretty much no synergy. So overall i agree that she needs to be reworked again to better fit the Stealthy Vampire role that she is suppose to be. Eve is pretty fun to play right now, but im not good enough with her to be useful. I think that she can be really good in the hands of someone who knows how to use her, but i still think she could be a lot better.

Saianna1 votes

(tiny note below post)

Believe me, Eve wasn't my main even once. I've played her often, but it was more as relaxing stroll trough enemy jungle then tryharding and mowing trouch enemies.

second thing: Imo her stealth was fine. What was unhealthy was her stun on hitting you while stealthed.

Third: I've died to Evelynns alot of times. i was f*** frustrated, but then i learned that pink wards are my friends and everything went more or less to normal

Fourth: (You can quote me on that part) I LOVE concept of long stealths. By long i mean longer than 20s. Only champion that can give me this is teemo right now.

Fifth: I wouldn't bitch for Eve rework all the time if her assassin part wasn't totally destroyed by Riot. I could even live with that retarded passive stealth if she had decent damage with assassin-like ultimate.

As you've said "after reading some of your comments i see you just want her to be OP again", thank you for checking my old posts. That only shows that i'm not some jackass who changes his mind on w/e occasion. I disagreed with Eve rework from the start.

Stephenizgod2 votes

Ah gotcha

The stun is what i was talking about

Pink wards are everyones friend, its just the friend everyone forgets about.

Eve can if you run around the jungle all game :D

Yea her ultimate is so not assassin i dont really understand the thought process there...

I meant reading your comments in this post not your old posts.

Saianna2 votes

ic :) good think we agree though :)

Leblancs Boob1 votes

So glass cannon Eve should come back just because you don't feel like building any tank items? Assassin eve was nerfed for a very good reason.. Literally zero counterplay. By the time you saw her you were already dead. Eve could stand to use some buffs but definitely nothing that will bring back assassin eve

ZephyrDrake3 votes

{quoted}

So glass cannon Eve should come back just because you don't feel like building any tank items? Assassin eve was nerfed for a very good reason.. Literally zero counterplay. By the time you saw her you were already dead. Eve could stand to use some buffs but definitely nothing that will bring back assassin eve

except that Assassin is Eve's identity, she isn't a tank or initiator she is supposed to destroy people. Unless Riot decides to completely do an overhaul of her as a whole she is an assassin

Saianna1 votes

Thanks for answering to this guy..

Saianna1 votes

Really.. She's supposed to be an assassin. She's supposed to have 1, 2 TOPS tank items.. NOT 5!

Now, I dunno if some guys don't care to read or they just troll. I said that her stun (thing that helped her kill you) was OP. Changing it into slow = OK.

Then she had no counterplay? L2buy pink wards you ^%&*$. It's exactly the same thing as you have to buy QSS/Zhyona vs Zed. Much counterplay, confirmed.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

You are building Eve pure AP that's your issue, You should be building AD if you want real burst. Her only Magic abilities are Q which doesn't do much damage and R which cannot kill anything. Her E deals physical damage AND procs on-hit effects so a item 3078 will do wonders on her specially with her Q constantly allowing you to have the Sheen effect on. You either need to build her AD or a mix of AP and AD not pure AP since she doesn't work that well that way unless you want to make her tankier

Saianna1 votes

Either you are troll, or just failed to notice it.

Evelynn swiftly attacks a target 2 times (applies on-hit effects), dealing a total of 70/110/150/190/230 (+100% Ability Power) (+40% bonus Attack Damage) physical damage. Evelynn then gains 60/75/90/105/120% Attack Speed for 3 seconds.

And that means i'll have high AD damage from her E which should help me dealing different types of damage (harder to build against)

Source: http://gameinfo.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/evelynn/

Second part: Luden + Lichbane = 10% ms boost = tad less than what u get from item 3078

Thrird: Eve has bad base AD. So damage from triforce will be mediocre, while damage from Lich bane will be stronger after you reach certain AP level.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

{quoted}

Either you are troll, or just failed to notice it.

Evelynn swiftly attacks a target 2 times (applies on-hit effects), dealing a total of 70/110/150/190/230 (+100% Ability Power) (+40% bonus Attack Damage) physical damage. Evelynn then gains 60/75/90/105/120% Attack Speed for 3 seconds.

And that means i'll have high AD damage from her E which should help me dealing different types of damage (harder to build against)

Source: http://gameinfo.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/champions/evelynn/

Second part: Luden + Lichbane = 10% ms boost = tad less than what u get from item 3078

Thrird: Eve has bad base AD. So damage from triforce will be mediocre, while damage from Lich bane will be stronger after you reach certain AP level.

sorry to say this but having a giant AP ratio means nothing when by simply building AD gets you more overall. Her main burst damage ability deal Physical damage which means that it will get mitigated HARD by everyone since you have little to no armor penetration which will net you even greater damage than simply adding AP. You also forget that her Q also scales with AD and her R is pointless to use unless you use it on a full (or almost full) HP target no matter the amount of AP you have

Great you proved that that 2 items do more than one item good job! Sorry to say this but AD or a mix of AD and AP Eve is superior than pure AP Eve every single time

Saianna1 votes

Hmm.. Then building AP while having armor pen should do the trick, right?

Still doesn't change the fact that Eve lacks heavy nuke that could be like "BAAAANG in yo face"

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