You know we all humans we all make mistake, maybe learn from our mistake ? Riot listen please.

ValiantKiller··3 votes·1,783 views

Honestly as the title say, sometime it good to learn from your mistake and fix it instead of making it more worst. I love what you done with banner when you couldn't fix it, you removed it which is fine for me but i want to talk about jungle change that ruined the game for many people.

You as you said did make that change to " Stop the early jungle pressure on lane" Which is fine for me as top laner and i would gladly welcome that change but now let's see what we got from that change so far aside from the goal you wished to do.

First of all we got that stupid cheese way of playing Taric + MasterYi , Nunu + Karthus etc. Which won't have happen if you guys didn't ruined the camps for jungler and made use facing such cheese way in playing game.

Second problem you made the game more toxic special between the Mid laner and Jungler , Mid laner is the most effective laner in this crab fights thing cause their towers lay in the middle of the map and they are straight forward which give them easy access to both sides of river. Which lead to a little problem if your mid laner got a problem with pings or map awareness as jungler you mostly screwed cause you have to deal with problem of 2v1 if the enemy mid laner is smart person then you and your mid laner going to be toxic toward each other.

Third problem you killed all farming/tanking champion that play jungle if you can't fight for crab you mostly put behind, if you can't get early kills/assists you mostly going to lay behind in levels and gold which make jungler useless for their team.

Now let's talk about the goal you did want to achieve by that change, did it work ? my answer is NO! Want to know why ? Cause the problem wasn't in levels or skills point the problem was with the champion kit that allow them to early gank.

Let's take an example say i play Urgot top lane and my jungler is XinZhao , what would stop XinZhao coming to my lane and gank level 1? He already level 2 cause of first buff so he mostly going to have his Q and E ready all he need is a set up of some of soft cc or slow that match his W which Urgot can provide with his Q. So that mean any soft cc in level 1 + XinZhao level 2 kit still allow for early ganks, So where is the goal you did want ?

Example of jungler that just need soft cc to make early kills when they are level 2 : Twitch XinZhao Graves Warwick ,etc Example of champion that can provide soft cc in lanes : Swain Darius Lux MissFortune it seem like nothing fixed, right ?

So i will come to the title of that post, Riot we all humans we all make mistake nothing wrong if you come to the people and say we made mistake by that jungle change and we going to retrieve the old jungle instead of just working on champions kit or gold funneling which could lead to more problems. Sometime taking few steps back is taking more steps forward. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

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RekSai CoffeeCo2 votes

Wow someone who plays top lane that actually gets it. I'm honored.

A good way to balance it is to remove the scuttle changes and balance the jungle camp experience so jungle and solo laners are equal in level/experience around same time (no solo laners being 2-3 levels down like pre 8.10 and junglers not being down 2-4 levels from 3-8/9 mark compared to solo laners).

Scuttle revert would see more jungle diversity and both changes would cut down on the funneling.

ValiantKiller1 votes

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Wow someone who plays top lane that actually gets it. I'm honored.

A good way to balance it is to remove the scuttle changes and balance the jungle camp experience so jungle and solo laners are equal in level/experience around same time (no solo laners being 2-3 levels down like pre 8.10 and junglers not being down 2-4 levels from 3-8/9 mark compared to solo laners).

Scuttle revert would see more jungle diversity and both changes would cut down on the funneling.

Ofcourse i get it, i start as jungle main when i started playing this game last year and jungle was my secondary until they did what they did and ruined everything to me. And now i'm mid secondary sadly, and my duo is always a jungle main so i saw all the struggle he goes through.

Like how many times he die just cause mid laner of enemy crush him while our mid laner got no vision of anything, it just sad. And as top laner i can't help him all the time cause our wave take crave in moving no to mention if i was against top laner that use ignite to kill lane so he is at the mercy of the mid laner.

And everything is listed is things i see by myself, all of that funneling crap and diversity that was killed it was cause the damn jungle change they made, not to mention they didn't achieve their goals strong early champion even the useless twitch still can cheese level2.

BigFBear1 votes

I am usually ~3 lvl behind mid and top as Jungler now for a long time in early/mid game. It's fucking frustrating. I can't imagine that this was the goal of balance team... or was it?

ValiantKiller2 votes

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I am usually ~3 lvl behind mid and top as Jungler now for a long time in early/mid game. It's fucking frustrating. I can't imagine that this was the goal of balance team... or was it?

I don't know really but sure everything wrong within the game right now it cause jungler got gutted to ground.

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