Pyke has officially made my perma ban list

Trash MammaI·Sep 12, 2019·4 votes·3,375 views

I don't even know HOW Riot thought his creation was a good idea. Healing because you don't exist in a fight and being able to EXECUTE ON A RESET FOR EXISTING in a fight. You don't have to land anything.

Go 0/9/0 but as long as you get a chain on your R you're still in the game it's so freaking stupid

I really don't get why you would get an ASSASSIN HEALING AND CC when they have an execute in their kit one that resets/low cd at that.

Same goes for someone like Evelynn. Stealth is already horribly balanced in this game right now.

I'd rather go back to seeing yasuo/ezreal every game than this stupid champ

20 Comments

KeiagaSep 12, 20191 votes

Take this to the rant subforum. No ones gonna read your temper tantrum

AnateraSep 12, 20194 votes

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Take this to the rant subforum. No ones gonna read your temper tantrum

I read it. Maybe you should go instead.

KeiagaSep 12, 20191 votes

Sorry for your loss

AnateraSep 12, 20191 votes

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Sorry for your loss

Let me say something random and unrelated to try and get rid of this guy.

Hyuk

KFCeytronSep 12, 20191 votes

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I don't even know HOW Riot thought his creation was a good idea. Healing because you don't exist in a fight

He is healing back champ damage that he took by existing in a fight.

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and being able to EXECUTE ON A RESET FOR EXISTING in a fight. You don't have to land anything.

He has to land the ult. To be fair, it's pretty hard to purposefully dodge it if you don't have Stopwatch or Flash, so I think it could use a tiny bit more delay.

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Go 0/9/0 but as long as you get a chain on your R you're still in the game it's so freaking stupid

Increasing the execute threshold requires items. If he doesn't have AD and Lethality, he'll have a narrower execute window. If he can pull off a chain ult, it stands to reason he'd gain some benefit from it, just like any other champion using a high-impact ult to influence a fight. Is it so different from other ult-bot supports?

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I really don't get why you would get an ASSASSIN HEALING AND CC when they have an execute in their kit one that resets/low cd at that.

Because he's an assassin support. He has less damage than other assassins, and he goes to a lane that'll have two enemies, one or both of which might be ranged. That healing is his defense mechanism from being poked by those enemies. He doesn't have a shield, resistance, or other defensive steroid like other melee supports do.

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Same goes for someone like Evelynn. Stealth is already horribly balanced in this game right now.

Stealth never works out, honestly.

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I'd rather go back to seeing yasuo/ezreal every game than this stupid champ

I wouldn't say no to a slight increase in his ult's cast time, or some kind of reduction to his ult gold production. But there's no chance of that happening until after Worlds. It's almost farcical, but he's a cool champ and Riot wants cool champs to be played in Worlds.

The KombinatorSep 12, 20191 votes

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He is healing back champ damage that he took by existing in a fight.

He has to land the ult. To be fair, it's pretty hard to purposefully dodge it if you don't have Stopwatch or Flash, so I think it could use a tiny bit more delay.

Increasing the execute threshold requires items. If he doesn't have AD and Lethality, he'll have a narrower execute window. If he can pull off a chain ult, it stands to reason he'd gain some benefit from it, just like any other champion using a high-impact ult to influence a fight. Is it so different from other ult-bot supports?

Because he's an assassin support. He has less damage than other assassins, and he goes to a lane that'll have two enemies, one or both of which might be ranged. That healing is his defense mechanism from being poked by those enemies. He doesn't have a shield, resistance, or other defensive steroid like other melee supports do.

Stealth never works out, honestly.

I wouldn't say no to a slight increase in his ult's cast time, or some kind of reduction to his ult gold production. But there's no chance of that happening until after Worlds. It's almost farcical, but he's a cool champ and Riot wants cool champs to be played in Worlds.

For the poke part.

Same goes for tank supports. They get poked to death, if both enemy has poking skills. And their self sustain is much lower.

Also his base defenses are just so damn high. Yeah he goes against 2, but he got an ADC too. Right now when i play an all-in tank. It's better to focus ANY adc over Pyke on laning phase. Simply because they die easier.

What i would change:

Reduce early defense, or make self heal lower. Make him vulnerable against something. Right now the only thing you can do is ignore. You can't poke him nor all-in him.

Make Q spend the mana when casting starts. Right now if you interrupt Pyke, then he pays 0 mana for that skill.

Make ultimate into turret style. No extra gold in overall, but gives the killing reward to someone else, if there is anyone who assisted.

SG J CageSep 12, 20191 votes

lmao he gets CC chained once he'll die just learn to dodge it's that easy

The KombinatorSep 12, 20191 votes

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lmao he gets CC chained once he'll die just learn to dodge it's that easy

This is true like 95% of the champions. By this logic outside tanks nobody can possibly be strong. And since damage is overbuffed even tanks aren't strong. So why not just remove the bansystem since everyone is balanced?

Trynda kills everyone under ult? CC Yasuo jumps around killing everyone? CC Yi is fed, and kills everyone in 2 seconds? CC AP malphite oneshot anyone? CC Miss fortune fed, and ult kills entire team in seconds? CC Kayn can kill Lux, Jinx, and our AD Lee in 0,3s.? CC Nasus is on 1000 stack? CC Veigar got 1500AP? CC

CC solves everything.

SG J CageSep 12, 20192 votes

exactly I think people just don't understand how strong CC is like Pyke is an assassin CC is his worst enemy

The KombinatorSep 12, 20192 votes

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exactly I think people just don't understand how strong CC is like Pyke is an assassin CC is his worst enemy

My point is that CC+nuke is not exactly a Pyke counter. It's more like an everything counter. It works against 100% of the champions that aren't tanky as hell minus GP.

Imagine when the assassins start buying QSS.

SG J CageSep 14, 20191 votes

well yea but literally gets pyke out of the fight

The KombinatorSep 14, 20191 votes

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well yea but literally gets pyke out of the fight

And you need 2 champions' CC, if he buys QSS. Also it's not just Pyke. You can say the same weakness to like 95% of the champions. Will you be able to CC Pyke, if you already used it on Yasuo, Tryndamere, and Jinx to get them? CC-nuke is not a Pyke specific counter. It's the ultimate tactic. It's like saying, that. He is easy to counter. Just kill him before he kills you.

SG J CageSep 18, 20191 votes

lmao the champion has max 2k health by the late game if you can't kill him at that point learn to use abilities or quit being outplayed just CC him once he dies to ignite with the lowest amount of damage

The KombinatorSep 18, 20191 votes

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lmao the champion has max 2k health by the late game if you can't kill him at that point learn to use abilities or quit being outplayed just CC him once he dies to ignite with the lowest amount of damage

So is 99% of the ADC, assassin, and mages. Yet they also have ways to survive. The point is, that the cc+nuke is not Pyke's weakness. It's everyone's weakness who isn't a tank. It's like. X champion is easy to beat. Just reduce it's health to 0 while you keep your health above 0. By this logic Lee Sin could have 10k. base AD, because he can be killed under CC, and thus balanced.

Malix FarwinSep 18, 20191 votes

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exactly I think people just don't understand how strong CC is like Pyke is an assassin CC is his worst enemy

Saying CC counters him is a generic answer.(it really doesnt because you need massive kill power to overcome his natural defense otherwise he will just stealth away after the CC and heal it all back up)

So No, we understand how strong CC is, you just dont understand how defensive/slippery Pyke is.

Crimson ZeppelinSep 12, 20191 votes

The problem is, you should have done this more than 5 patches ago.

Jesi OniSep 18, 20191 votes

Its kinda your problem that you cant play against him. I am banning Khazix and dont spam boards asking for nerf thats not going to happen.

Malix FarwinSep 18, 20191 votes

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Its kinda your problem that you cant play against him. I am banning Khazix and dont spam boards asking for nerf thats not going to happen.

Just his problem thats why he is the most banned champion in the game right now, because he's the OOP's problem. lol ok.

Jesi OniSep 18, 20191 votes

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Just his problem thats why he is the most banned champion in the game right now, because he's the OOP's problem. lol ok.

Most banned are Yasuo, Morgana and Zed.

TooSpookJan 18, 20201 votes

I haven't banned anyone except pyke for months.. and don't plan on banning anyone else, ever. setts pretty annoying but not double gold fly through walls hook invis worthy with instakill ult Fk that cuck