Apparently there's a part of the community that hates twisted fate

[{quoted}](name=Sir Hammerlock,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mQQNtETZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-11-29T12:51:12.791+0000)

I'm one of those people. I even got to the point of finishing S5 at Plat II, and I still despise TF. I do think he does too much damage for the mobility and utility he has, and potentially infinite mana.

you lost me at mobility....

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mQQNtETZ,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-11-29T13:18:30.230+0000)

TF is extremely overrated in terms of difficulty, he's actually a very basic champion with 1 non-intuitive mechanic (W) that somehow makes the community think he has the highest skillcap in the game, lel. Most TFs I find are terrible and just free kills at any point of the game (but even those easily roam and get fed). But the few times where I find a "good" TF (and by that I mean he plays so safe I can't kill him in lane), well there's a low chance of winning. Nerfs are deserved.

Ive seen you more then once on the boards anyways -he is completely immobile -INSTANTLY DANGER AND MIA PING when he even remotely leaves your lane -what makes him broken is new cdr mastery 40% = 3.6 sec W

45%=3.3 sec W

i can understand the nerfs to but in the end its a late game buff 4000/5000/6000 on ult range 500 more then the old one so expect to see him more in patch 5.24 in the late game

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He gets nerfed but in a interesting way First they reduce the base dmg of his q(well thats not interesting) But then they change the ult so it has 1000 range less in early but 500 more in late why that surprise me? Well because i know TF as someone you is going to make pressure post-6 on other lanes and so dominating the whole map And he isn't really unhealthy. He has a lot of counterpicks like Fizz,etc.

But im just gold 1 maybe in higher ranks he is unhealthy :/

because any smart will play super safe on hard match ups they will farm with Q and when an opportunity opens he gets mana with W this is even harder for mana intensive champions when fighting twisted fate as a mana champion WATCH YOUR MANA for this is the 1 time he will actually attempt to trade he is basic but requires heavy decision making and watch out for pesky mains also fuck fizz i hate him when i play TF :p

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I play Twisted Fate. Not a lot but i can say that i do play him. Twisted Fate is very strong right now but if you consider any champion that goes mid lane he doesnt seem that bad. Twisted Fate if you get is amazing and can snowball very early and only a couple Twisted Fates do so. But when you think of any other mid laner that can buy that item and has WAY better snowball than him its ridiculous. is a prime example. He is very strong and an get kills very early. can get this item and once she hits 15 glory there is no getting away from her post 6. Too me Twisted Fate is a very strong champion and i'm not saying hes overpowered or not at all. I'm just saying it could be worse. Now that he has too much damage. No, not at all. Look at a fed ekko, akali, katarina, Mr. purple tentacles or vel koz, malzahar, even brand. That is too much damage those are the champs that if they get one kill they can snowball HARD and carry and those are just the ones i can think of. Of course there are the people who will say has a stun a teleport and loads of damage and a passive that makes him attack faster and more damage every 4th auto. Lets look at ekko he has a dash, slows, steals movement speed, ult that heals and damages, snowballs hard, and a stun and shield. Akali has a AoE large damage, single target spell that amplifies her next auto attack, a bubble that makes her invisble and gives her lots of movement speed, and a dash that does a good amount of damage that she has 3 of at any given moment. Malzahar gets tanky with loads of damage, gives literal space aids, large AoE damage, and single line nuke and silence along with yelling at you like a drunk father spilling out his hatred of annie. Those are just some champions that are a lot worse than Twisted Fate in my opinion. This is just my opinion people will for sure hate Twisted fate and you know i can't blame them he does do a lot of damage on pretty low cool downs and an ult that reveals everybody on the map and allows tele making him really goo for ganks but hey at least you don't get raped by a little girl running around with a furious bear because the little girl took her cub away and told the mother bear get me to plat and you can have your bear. It could be worse. sucks. xD

XD i lmao'd at the end