If i queue as "bot" in ranked can I play tanks, bruisers, and mages?

Pyrithegethon·Nov 2, 2016·3 votes·1,052 views

Or will i get banned for trolling, wrong champ wrong position, or griefing because i didnt pick a "Marksman"?

56 Comments

Malicious MetalNov 2, 20167 votes

Bot-> ADC or maybe Mordekaiser.

Otherwise it's trolling

LostFr0stNov 2, 20162 votes

I'm getting this feeling you just came to this thread to plug Mord...

MarshbouyNov 2, 20162 votes

That's literally every single mordekaiser main ever. they are worse than engineers on 9gag.

LostFr0stNov 2, 20161 votes

LOL

MarshbouyNov 2, 20161 votes

It's true. I wish i could block all of them. I made some post asking people for times when a rework had gone catastrophically wrong and no one but mordekaiser mains responded. It was terrible.

LostFr0stNov 2, 20161 votes

You didn't get a single Shenpai or Salty rock-shackled Skarner?

RalanrNov 2, 20162 votes

Skarner has mains?

That's how little people seem to care about him. I don't think I've met a single die hard Skarner main.

LostFr0stNov 2, 20161 votes

My brother is one. [slayer-jinx-catface]

Malicious MetalNov 3, 20161 votes

I play him somewhat regularly

MarshbouyNov 2, 20161 votes

nope

PyrithegethonNov 2, 20161 votes

Is there an official riot post that says bot is for adc or morde? I need to make sure so i dont get banned for not picking either

DrCyanideNov 2, 20162 votes

You won't get banned for non-meta picks. I've had times where my team picks an AD Mid, AD Top, and AD Jungle, so I went Viktor Bot to round out our damage.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 2, 20165 votes

there is no rule about meta. as long as you legit try to win and dont intentionally fed then there is nothing wrong with it...

**BREAKING THE META ISNT AGAINST THE RULES **

MarshbouyNov 2, 20161 votes

according to the bronze 5 10% winrate players on the gameplay boards, it is against the rules.

PyrithegethonNov 2, 20161 votes

The board is full of challengers, duh

I hate my ADCNov 2, 20161 votes

Playing a different champion role than what is intended for the lane is unintentionally griefing your team by forcing them to adjust to you shifting the balance of your team without consideration for others. (Emphasis on the unintentionally)

If you play anything but ADC + Support at the bot lane, you are effectively adding a handicap to your team by limiting their choice of champions to a different setup they aren't used to or they have to suffer the consequence of having a bad team composition from lacking in a certain area like having no ranged AD carry, therefore griefing your team by forcing them into a position they do not wish to be forced into or reducing their overall chance to win by having a team composition that is less likely to win.

There are no rules about which champion you should play for each role and nobody can stop you from playing whatever the hell you want, that much is true, but forcing your choice onto other players in your team should be frowned upon, not encouraged.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 2, 20161 votes

WRONG

wanna example ?

RIOTS REWORK OF Mordekaiser

want another ?

is off meta as a support he does nothing but build damage and apply it ... he does nothing for a team otherwise no utility at all as a support no tank

I hate my ADCNov 2, 20162 votes

Brand support isn't off-meta...

Urgot support is off-meta.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 2, 20163 votes

brand support was off meta til it became meta by people playing it as support back in the start of season 5

just the same as annie , morgana , malphite, velkoz, lux, oriana, zyra and now MISS FORTUNE

volibear support, shen support, aniva support

yasou tank top

how many examples do you need

PLAYING OFF META IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES

SwiftKitten88Nov 2, 20161 votes

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brand support was off meta til it became meta by people playing it as support back in the start of season 5

just the same as annie , morgana , malphite, velkoz, lux, oriana, zyra and now MISS FORTUNE

volibear support, shen support, aniva support

yasou tank top

how many examples do you need

PLAYING OFF META IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES

... there is a difference between an "off meta" pick and something that can NEVER work.

if you pick an AP champ with ZERO AD scaling and no abilities that would be remotely useful with autos then that is intentionally feeding. aka the Velkoz adc example

picking a champ like Varus mid.. even as AP isnt trolling as long as you KNOW how to do it and are sufficient at it, becuase varus actaulyl has pretty freaking good AP scaling and it is VERY viable..

likewise Anivia support may not be meta.. but she has a stun.. a slow.. and a wall, all VERY useful for supporting, and even if you die your adc can protect your egg.

but that the same time if you went ADC anivia, THAT would be trolling.. becuase you are removing an absolutely essential part of your teams damage with a troll pick.

its kinda of a grey line.. it is a LOT stricter in ranked. hell even if you pick a NORMAL mid laner like Syndra , if you have NO idea how to play her. and just are trying her for the first time in ranked after seeing her in worlds.. then I'm still going to report you for intentionally feeding. and even in a normal game i would be kinda mad at you. but i probably wouldn't report you,

but if you try something that has ZERO chance of working then yeah.. intentionally feeding

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 3, 20161 votes

how do you know if something works or dont unless you DO IT

no one knew sion could support til the koreans started doing it in high elo and he has a 53% win rate at support for #1

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 2, 20161 votes

what about all the adc/marksmen mid ?

Corki Ezreal Jayce Jhin KogMaw Lucian Quinn Tristana Urgot Varus

marksmen jungle

Kindred KogMaw Graves Vayne Quinn Twitch

marksmen top Quinn Vayne Urgot

SwiftKitten88Nov 2, 20161 votes

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what about all the adc/marksmen mid ?

marksmen jungle

marksmen top

that is differenct

picking something like Varus mid or Twitch jungle. those are common picks but they are still perfectly viable lanes

for example Nunu isnt a troll pick if you take him mid... its pretty much never done.. but it is still pretty good ad TwistedFate is also surprisingly good, again its not normal.. but if you lock in i can couinterpick you with Nidalee mid (this was from a season 4 situtation) if you then know that nid counters AP tf, but has a VERY hard time against AD tf.. then you pick him.

other rare picks like Sejuani top,

even some VERY strange things like Garen mid i have seen, and ypu would be surpised how many mid laners can get screwed by him, (especially when they picked vs ap runes )

other things like Nidalee support, in all honesty this USED to be pretty freaking good when she had % hp on traps. as a nid main i would consider it a troll pick now. but honeslty

if they banned and i was on my smurf and didn't have my other support, and my team absolutely refused to swap lanes with me.. i COULD take her support. as i am probably one of the FEW few people who know HOW to support with her. and have done it. (i have over 50 games as support nid in season 4)

pickign an abnormal champ isnt intentionally feeding.

but what IS intentionally feeding is taking someone like Karthus bot or taking Vayne with AP or adc Soraka .

bending the meta is one thing, but if you are going to throw all sanity out the window.. then yeah.. in going to report you..

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 2, 20161 votes

report me and nothing will happen

PLAYING OFF META IS NOT A PUNISHABLE OFFENSE

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 3, 20161 votes

Blitzcrank has been played mid,top and jungle

Need Gold 4 TentNov 3, 20161 votes

I picked nasus mid. Enemy ap carry couldnt do shit to me once I rushed SV and let me farm 400 stacks by 20 mins.

I picked a Sona support and my carry was Karthus. Kept him from dying the entire lane phase while he farmed assists on his mejais. Were those wrong? They worked out rather well in fact.

SwiftKitten88Nov 2, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=I hate my ADC,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=mKiTGsF5,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-11-02T23:13:56.412+0000)

Playing a different champion role than what is intended for the lane is unintentionally griefing your team by forcing them to adjust to you shifting the balance of your team without consideration for others. (Emphasis on the unintentionally)

If you play anything but ADC + Support at the bot lane, you are effectively adding a handicap to your team by limiting their choice of champions to a different setup they aren't used to or they have to suffer the consequence of having a bad team composition from lacking in a certain area like having no ranged AD carry, therefore griefing your team by forcing them into a position they do not wish to be forced into or reducing their overall chance to win by having a team composition that is less likely to win.

There are no rules about which champion you should play for each role and nobody can stop you from playing whatever the hell you want, that much is true, but forcing your choice onto other players in your team should be frowned upon, not encouraged.

actually no, it IS intentionally greifing, you KNEW the champ you are picking is going to screw over your team.. and despite that. you deliberately choose to pick it anyways. sure i mean if you have 4 mid laners you are good at and somehow they all managed to get banned or picked and your last pick and cant swap with anyone and are forced to play a champ your not great with.. thats is one thing.. you didn't INTEND to choose that champ you were forced into it..

but you deliberately try do do something like Velkoz adc. then you are intentionally feeding

I hate my ADCNov 2, 20161 votes

I wouldn't say intentionally feeding, but greefing yes. I didn't say intentionally because people would just go on a huge ass rant about how profoundly dumb I am or something like that.

PyrithegethonNov 2, 20161 votes

I wouldnt play vel adc, i would play him as an ap if i went bot (not support)

Need Gold 4 TentNov 3, 20161 votes

You might even be able to make an argument for that. The only ADC who ignores Yasuo wall (where muh projectile lol)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 2, 20161 votes

Besides non-intentional feeders, there are also Griefers. Griefers are intentional feeders who die on purpose in order to actively feed the enemy team. They either do it in order to speed up the game's process if they do not see any chance to win anymore and the surrender vote failed, or simply to ruin other player's games. Griefers usually lead their team to defeat, as the enemy team will be given a hefty advantage. Griefing is reportable.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Feed

MarshbouyNov 2, 20162 votes

Bot means bot. As long as you aren't Feeding griefing being toxic

and if you are generally being a team player you should be fine.

PyrithegethonNov 2, 20162 votes

Im going to try this for a week if i get bot without trolling but trying to win. I have some off meta stuff to test ^^

JavelinJoeNov 3, 20161 votes

I am partial to Thresh ADC since you technically are ranged and can self peal if needed, plus you prevent all tower dives for the most part since your QE makes it a trade of kills at worst. Also I have seen Yasuo Pantheon Tryndamere ADC but mostly because they shit on ADCs anyways.

Meep ManNov 3, 20162 votes

You won't get banned, but chances are you will lose unless your pick is something secretly OP. It has to provide the mid-late game objective control and sustained damage of a Marksman or else your team will have holes.

Need Gold 4 TentNov 3, 20161 votes

Considering marksmen go anywhere, I dont see a problem with this. Consider it a lane swap with the marksman, and some bruisers/supports make for a hilariously strong kill lane at the expense of falling off

catastrophicSkilNov 2, 20161 votes

Bot is not designated to marksman however not going marksman will hinder your team most likely not just because there is no ADC but because it lowers the moral of many teammates you will encounter

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 2, 20161 votes

you can go marksmen mid ...

Ezreal Jhin Jayce Lucian Quinn Tristana KogMaw Varus Urgot have all been played mid

and some are played top

Urgot Vayne Quinn Jayce

catastrophicSkilNov 2, 20161 votes

i never said they are not played top or mid but in most situations you don't play an ADC mid/top. In majority of games you don't have an marksman top or mid (or at least in majority of my games maybe your experience is different)

Also i wouldn't consider Jayce a marksman i know its his secondary role but id classify him more as a fighter

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 2, 20161 votes

champs are played off meta all over the place

back in season 3-4 Gragas was an AP MID MAGE

now he has been top/ support and a broken op jungler in competitive pro play

someone had to play him off meta to figure out all that and see it could be played in more then one role

and the meta shifts and champs fall and rise based on meta shifts so some champs mid are now support and some champs that were adcs get played top/jungle and so on

and finally

**PLAYING OFF META ISNT AGAINST THE RULES **

DrackolusNov 2, 20161 votes

The real question: if you want to play tanks, bruisers, and mages, why not queue literally any other role where those champions are the norm? I personally wouldn't be bothered too much by it, but others would be. I mean, my Darius support is awesome, but I'm not gonna do it in ranked because it's far more annoying to people who are trying to climb.

PyrithegethonNov 2, 20161 votes

Oh shit i meant to say draft/ranked not just ranked.

I like to do things people dont think is good but work after i test them.

This sounds weird but when feral flare came out i picked yi and got told he is bad. I won 14 games in a row with yi in ranked as jungle with feral flare and sent from silver 2 to gold 5 in one day.

DrackolusNov 3, 20161 votes

Like I said, I personally don't see the problem, especially since if you're not in at least diamond it really doesn't make a damn bit of difference to be completely honest. A bunch of random people who aren't at least that good are not going to be able to take advantage of those weaknesses, and throwing the enemy team off their groove probably has more effect than the actual pick itself. My jungle Garen kicks ass too, even though I see why it's not really that good (extremely easy to counterjungle early game being the primary reason, but almost nobody figures that out). If it's just a normal, I honestly don't think it matters whether or not they are upset. As long as you're genuinely trying to win and not flaming people, then they can deal.

Blue Collar BearNov 3, 20161 votes

There was a great example that Riot commented on by a guy called Pantheon Middle. He went middle every match no matter what with Pantheon. He wasn't toxic. He told his team what he was doing. Even though he didn't call middle and he played something "off meta" at the time, it's not reportable or bannable. However, in ranked draft, this could be an issue, since you may be stealing a role. If you just play something like Mordekaiser or Cassiopeia bot, it's not anything against the rules. It's quite interesting.

If I recall, Metroid is Back played Vi bot in one of Voyboy's videos. He's still playing. Just don't go around being toxic, and I'm sure you'll be fine.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoNov 3, 20161 votes

RIOT tried to enforce the bruiser/juggernaut bot with the Mordekaiser rework

Blue Collar BearNov 3, 20161 votes

Juggernauts do better with a long lane to chase someone down, but there is the trade off that they're always better with more targets and someone to enable them. It's really up to you.

Pawn of heartsNov 3, 20161 votes

yea do it go full ap or tank farm etc..

FairyfleurNov 3, 20161 votes

Right now, marksmen have a lot of power, and doing so would remove a reliable source of high dps, range, and objective damage.

AptestNov 3, 20161 votes

if you play with me you can do whatever. the usual team will flame your ass to such an extent, that your username will change to "toast"

ZelorxonNov 3, 20161 votes

No you will just play in a suboptimal way because numbers, math and stuff and all these boring things and you will be only a useless burden for your team, if you need so desperately to assert your special snowflake status by going against the strategy because you feel some kind of genius, go on, i wont stop you, just don't come to cry you lost for any reason besides you.

You'll find that playing like a retard will be fun the first couple of times, after that, i don't think people enjoy losing that much...