Kleptomancy has to be changed in the future, this is becoming stupid

Ahristocats·Mar 5, 2018·30 votes·3,675 views

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please remove the CURRENT kleptomancy from this game, it's a fcking dogshit design that holds GP in hostage in addition to making fiora absurd right now

Just before kleptomancy gangplank was balanced, now he has been gutted into oblivion thanks to the nerf to stopwatch+inspiration+kleptomancy nerfs+ direct nerfs all because of kleptomancy

now it's fiora's turn to become stupid, she used to be a free lane for malphite and maokai but now she casually gets so much gold and loots by using Q into them, not even aiming for the vitals without even forgetting that ezreal is still dumb with it

you said you were going to change kleptomancy to make it less of an abuse case and more of a rune good for anyone using it where are those changes now?

41 Comments

iPooUnicornsMar 5, 201813 votes

I feel like Riot just gonna do a bandaid fix of pigeonholing it into a support only mastery by making it go on CD if you kill minions.

HawkefireMar 6, 20183 votes

Honestly, this sounds like a pretty solid idea. It would probably need some buffs after doing that, but still, it would probably work out pretty well.

CrazFight Mar 5, 201812 votes

I'm not sure why riot is so anal on keeping Klepto. Riot tends to be very stubborn company when it comes to there changes, I mean don't even get me started on what it took to bring back solo queue.

I think its going to take a larger backlash than what we are seeing right now for riot to change there mind, the 1 top post a week about how klepto should be removed isnt enough.

Tomoe GozenMar 5, 20182 votes

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I'm not sure why riot is so anal on keeping Klepto.

Because they aren't going to remove a Keystone just because people want it gone. They didn't add a full bruiser Keystone (Conqueror) just because people wanted it either. If Klepto is again a problem, RIot's going to investigate and will only remove or change it if they feel like they can't balance it in the long run.

TakaDamaMar 5, 201811 votes

I agree: there was a reason why Heart of Gold was removed early on.

AhristocatsMar 5, 201810 votes

yea dude what the fuck i completly forgot this remember when toplaners rushed massive gold and if you didn't do the same you lost

jesus

Pierce The VealMar 5, 20188 votes

How can one forget the heart of gold gold item stack meta.

Never forget.

Best meta ever.

AhristocatsMar 5, 20185 votes

my memory is being used for something else unfortunatly

Pierce The VealMar 5, 20182 votes

Ah yeah I know that feel.

That’s how I feel too.

Lil Homie bustaMar 6, 20181 votes

Insufficient memory capacity. Please delete old memories in order to accommodate more data.

Sire HippingtonMar 6, 20182 votes

While rushing those items was mandatory and thus kinda annoying, it had alot of positive effects, mostly makeing the lane less punishing as getting zoned from minions got covered a bit by the passive gold gen, which allowed a overall bigger varity in toplane as even weaker laners had a way to get their items. now tanks need to stand their ground vs bruisers to be viable top, which then makes bruisers feel bad. Also, rushing a health item first on everyone helps keeping things civilized instead haveing the slightest misstep beeing punished with with instant death...

ChaddyFantomeMar 6, 20181 votes

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I agree: there was a reason why Heart of Gold was removed early on.

to be fair, it's not exactly the same. Klepto doesn't do anything unless you hit an enemy. GreenKoopaShell gave you free money for watching paint dry.

rework trundleMar 5, 201811 votes

honestly if kleptomancy is viable it's because there are much bigger issues in the game

SalsonMar 5, 20187 votes

I've actually quit Fiora because of Klepto.

No matter how strong it is on her, the bitchy playstyle of play passive > statcheck with items just isn't her fantasy.

Seraphim117Mar 6, 20181 votes

I'm a gp main and i took a break because it became poke simulator instead of farm simulator.... rough times my dude

CatastrophicMar 6, 20185 votes

Preach it rubick

Back in patch 8.2-8.3 I used to pick GP into fiora matchups and think "oh this is gonna be a tough, skill matchup lane" and I'd take aery, and get in there trying to fight for my lane. But lo and behold, every fiora I played with didn't care about trading or fighting of any sort, they'd just proc klepto on me and then stay back until they can do the same again. So I said fuck it, I caved, and picked klepto, and one of my most enjoyed lane matchups has now turned to a shitfest of seeing who can proc klepto more. I want to go back to playing Gangplank, not Klepto.

Seraphim117Mar 6, 20181 votes

preach

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMar 5, 20184 votes

Breaking news: Fiora was always doing this since her rework.

Tomoe GozenMar 5, 20182 votes

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Breaking news: Fiora was always doing this since her rework.

Uh no, she wasn't. There was a time when she was released and then immediately pegged down, then the time where her, Fizz, Ekko and Malphite could go full tank/bruiser builds with Titanic, Iceborn, Deadman's and a Cleaver and then that was nerfed. Fiora was always skirting on a rather fine edge that was always balanced because her entire kit scales off bonus AD on her passive. But she can't take much punishment aside her precise Riposte, which is why this is not really viable for her to go full AD.

GayFluffyUnicornMar 6, 20182 votes

Eh yes she was. Or are u just forgetting an entire year of fiora with 20%+ pickrate in diamond and same or even higher banratE? How everyone moaned when riot reverted the eventual nerfs just to throw in bramble vest because they are too lazy to balance fiora.

Tomoe GozenMar 6, 20181 votes

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Eh yes she was. Or are u just forgetting an entire year of fiora with 20%+ pickrate in diamond and same or even higher banratE? How everyone moaned when riot reverted the eventual nerfs just to throw in bramble vest because they are too lazy to balance fiora.

Bramble Vest (and Thornmail) was put in because people cried how they had no damage control against Marksmen. Fiora had nothing to do with it. Fiora was in a bad spot and that's why Riot reverted her previous nerfs. Sometimes the meta just favors one champion and they're pegged down a notch but when it's gone, that champ feels worse to play. Fiora's not the first nor the last example.

Legacy HydralphaMar 5, 20184 votes

Klepto is too much of a free gold advantage and too RNG to be reliable for any player in a match-up. They should make it instead:

Whenever you gain gold through minion kills, player kills, objective kills, etc. you get a small amount of a black market currency
You also slowly gain this currency over time (much slower rate than gold)
You can use this black market currency to buy the kleptomancy items, or convert a large amount of it into a small amount of gold (replace sack of gold item).

Boom, you can counter it by zoning the enemy, but they can still use the rune due to passive generation. It also loses it's oppressiveness in lane and RNG factors.

hoganftwMar 6, 20184 votes

Nothing worse than seeing your enemy top laner get free elixirs tbh.

There's literally no trade-off to grabbing Klepto.

The Yetii RiderMar 6, 20182 votes

See, when you use the word "literally", it opens you up to easy attack.

Trade offs by picking Kleptomancy - Can't easily gank lanes with Predator Massive loss of burst with Electrocute You either lose gold because you can't take Triumph or you lose AD because you are going Inspiration Precision Can't take three Sorcery runes, and there are a LOT of good Sorcery runes No easy sustain with Fleet No massive true damage barrels with Conqueror No infinite health stacking with Grasp

All of these are trade offs that you make by picking Kleptomancy

hoganftwMar 7, 20181 votes

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See, when you use the word "literally", it opens you up to easy attack.

Trade offs by picking Kleptomancy - Can't easily gank lanes with Predator Massive loss of burst with Electrocute You either lose gold because you can't take Triumph or you lose AD because you are going Inspiration Precision Can't take three Sorcery runes, and there are a LOT of good Sorcery runes No easy sustain with Fleet No massive true damage barrels with Conqueror No infinite health stacking with Grasp

All of these are trade offs that you make by picking Kleptomancy

Nah, there's literally no reason to not abuse Klepto right now.

Can't gank lanes with Predator? You mean you can't roam and pop flash/ghost/teleport or literally flank them? NEXT. Massive loss of burst with electrocute? You mean you can't buy burst with items like item 3147 and item 3031 ? NEXT. "Losing" gold for not taking triumph? You literally have a net gain from gold already just by picking up klepto. Also you can buy AD with the extra gold even if you did grab Triumph. OOF! Can't take three sorcery runes? That's nothing FREE gold can't overcome. No easy sustain with Fleet? You mean free potions and red elixirs, along with biscuits isn't enough sustain? OUCH. No massive true damage barrels with conqueror? Boohoo. Oh wait, true damage won't mean much when I've got enough of a substantial gold lead that allows me to basically do just that lmao. and last but not least Infinite health stacking with grasp? That's uhh... hmm... not useful at all when I've been bullying you in the lane phase with my infinite sustain and item advantage.

TrollmanshipMar 6, 20183 votes

Seriously nobody fucking likes klepto it's shit game design it was a shit idea and riot needs to get that through their thick heads and remove it, some time before 2020 preferably.

SteelflameMar 6, 20182 votes

I still think the best fix to Klepto is to make it an energized effect, not a Spellblade effect. This means you actually HAVE to choose to utilize it, and if you fail to hit the correct target it will be a few seconds at minimum before you can try again (most likely 6-10), and if you are denied the chance to use the klepto charge it will end up on "CD" for a few seconds as it recharges. You also have to plan around it as you farm minions, because once that klepto charge is primed, it will go off on whatever you attack next.

It also massively shifts the abuse/use case spectrum to a far more healthy one, as it isn't only usable on someone with a low CD spammy spell that is ideal for proccing it in a sustained multi-skill fight (Fiora Q, GP Q, Illaoi W, Nasus Q), but instead anyone who is willing to go for auto attack trades/poke. GP may still be strong with it thanks to his own Q being a pretty good tool to proc it, but it won't just be "automatic Klepto proc every 6 seconds" type of deal because he has to time when he goes for the proc in between CSing, instead of whenever.

LyingOnLineMar 5, 20181 votes

Fiora’s not even really that strong right now though?

As far as she’s concerned, Klepto’s a poor substitute for the old braindead Fervor.

Jinzo TorranceMar 5, 20181 votes

Don't buff GP, remove that scaling Pantheon from the game instead, his rework was a massive powercreep

IT3etlWEXJMar 5, 20181 votes

Klepto provides nothing after 6 items

OleandervineMar 5, 20188 votes

The potions and elixirs you steal automatically activate when you loot one. Therefore, after you've got 6 items (at which point, why do you need the gold?), you're basically looting free stat boosts for the rest of the game.

SteelflameMar 6, 20182 votes

Free stat boost for 30 seconds, random mini-elixers, sometimes random wards dropped (which can just be free vision at no cost to her), the INSANELY powerful Oracle's Elixir especially in a late game situation, and just random health/mana regeneration at times.

Maybe not as powerful as any other Keystone lategame, but still providing plenty of raw power even when you are past the point of what Klepto is good at, giving you an item lead to get you to 6 items while the enemy is still at 4.5 or so.

thepowerliesMar 15, 20181 votes

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Klepto provides nothing after 6 items

Its like saying gold provides nothing after 6 items so its not important

Teridax68Mar 6, 20181 votes

If nothing else, I would like to at least see Kleptomancy lose its RNG items. The insane gold generation the rune provides is itself overbearing enough to warrant a nerf, but what annoys me about the item component is that it tends to give the user far too much staying power in lane, due to how so many of its items replenish health and mana. While bonus gold generation itself tends to be inherently unhealthy on anyone but the support, toning the Keystone down to at least that, short of removing it, would at least shift it towards a state where its users have to back to make use of its power, instead of being able to abuse its random consumables for advantages both in and out of the lane.

T4underboltMar 6, 20181 votes

Gp doesn't need buffs. Unless you change his Q back to recovering half mana when killing creeps. I don't want to.be abused in lane ever again by a late game champion that for some stupid reason is strong early. Fiora of course is same playstyle but with klepto or not. She just permanently pokes with Q that is impossible to miss and makes it damn easy to hit vitals at the same time. Her W should.be changed to not deal any DMG or slow attack speed nor.movement speed when parrying a spell. In fact it should only CC the same way the incoming cc works.