It is crippling when you are AP and the entire enemy team has maw/merc scim. Even the support has a lot of MR, if an AP builds full armor, they are crippled heavily. Oh but if AD wants "extra protection" That's fine, here we will even give you some attack damage with it.
Darkslayer854 votesOh so it's 
fair 
that 
you 
mages 
get 
to 
one 
shot 
us?
Serevas1 votesFizz is an assassin/fighter, not a mage. Everyone you mentioned aside from Vlad and Swain are burst mages, so they should one shot, and if you get 1 shot by Vlad and Swain you deserved to die anyway.
Darkslayer851 votesVlad does tons of damage just for building tanky. How is that even balanced.
And Swain.... He... He... He.... I actually don't hate Swain, the boards are just drilling it into my mind that he's OP
Serevas1 votesVlad does deal a ton of damage, but he doesn't one shot people unless he's way ahead, in which case building MR is the least of your problems.
Darkslayer851 votesAnd people say Elo hell does not exist.
(posts thread on boards on how vlad and swain are OP)
They're not OP unless they get fed. Where do they normally get fed?
In lower elos, where people feed.
Serevas1 votesSo don't try to fight them when you're losing already? I'm not sure what your point is.
Darkslayer851 votesSo you're saying just let them get the tower and "don't fight them?"
Good logic, I can see how you got to Bronze 4, gj.
Serevas2 votesYou're right, you should lose lane fantastically by endlessly fighting against them and feeding your brains out, that's much more effective. I can see why you have a 0% win rate in ranked and are completely unranked. Enjoy coming out in the depths of bronze 5 never to see the light of day.
See I can actually look up stats and don't blindly talk shit on people, but I'm sure that in your endless feeding you have a better idea of how to play in a losing lane.
Darkslayer851 votesI don't endlessly feed. I did 5 provs and lost. This is mainly my fault for trying to play ranked without much experience, but the rank card is not an excuse. Those provs were from 6 months ago anyway.
Serevas1 votesIf the rank card is no excuse why did you throw it out there first?
Sukishoo1 votesLB is an assassin also.
Serevas1 votesRight, but she's an Assassin/mage, so his point is somewhat valid.
Marshbouy1 voteswhat? so you can't build MR against mages but you can build them against ap assassin fighters?
Serevas1 votesNot sure where you got that from I didn't even talk about MR anywhere in my post.
Marshbouy1 votesUsually people use the "omg AP items are not strong enough" argument and when i point out that it would result in a fizz buff they go "hur dur he aint a mage" and fail to realize their idiocy.
sorry for misunderstanding you
Ralanr2 votesWanna remove some MR? Ok, let's start with Abyssal scepter, then unholy Grail, and how about banner of command?
Succubús GF1 votes2/3 of those items are majorly used for supporting, Secondly, Abyssal isn't really useful if the enemy team is all AD
Ralanr2 votesThey give MR and AP.
Don't tell me that just because they are geared toward supports that you can't build them.
Serevas1 votesJust because you can build them doesn't mean you should, ever.
Ralanr1 votesDesperate times call for desperate measures.
Serevas1 votesIf you're and you build 
that's a level of desperation I hope to never reach.
Ralanr1 votesI thought this thread was about there being too much MR in the game and that's making mages not do enough damage?
Serevas1 votesWanna remove some MR? Ok, let's start with Abyssal scepter, then unholy Grail, and how about banner of command?
To start the side topic.
They give MR and AP.
Don't tell me that just because they are geared toward supports that you can't build them.
So that's how we got off topic.
The Bearded Bard1 votes is literally only useful on champions that can heal or shield allied champions, and even then it's very rarely used. Suggesting that any solo lane mage build that item is just stupid.
Raven Elizabeth2 votesyou could always get 
The Bearded Bard1 votesINB4 ZHONYA'S OP!!!!!!!!
Succubús GF1 votesZhonyas is like the only thing we get xD
Marshbouy1 votesexcept a lot of mage items have health thrown everywhere.
Serevas1 votes
isn't that many, and please don't include 
as mage items, diving in face first to deal damage doesn't make sense for a mage, and GLP might as well not even be an item in the game. I've seen it built once and it was by me testing a Swain build and it was a bad choice.
There's really not that many mage items with health.
Marshbouy2 votesThat's still more health then AD items give you (that are not tank or bruiser items forced into the ADC role)
The Bearded Bard1 votesHealth and resists are not the only form of defense. AD has lifesteal, random damage reduction tacked onto offensive items like 
, and shields from items like 
, and a nice item that gets rid of CC 
.
Yeah, AP has Zhonyas and Rylais, and those items are fantastic, but if you're telling me they've got more defensive options than AD, you're delusional.
Marshbouy1 votesand AP has morellonomicon and a ton of burst. Deaths dance is a niche item, 12% is some sure, but it only for one champion out of 5 on the enemy team. That's literally two items out of all the ADC ones, MAW isn't even an ADC item, it's a bruiser/assassin one tacked onto ADCs.
And you have a nice items that makes you completely invulnerable for 2.5 sec
No, i never said they have more defense. I said they have more health. People have it stuck in their goddam minds that mages are useless and the worst class now. they aren't they are at the same strength as others, if not stronger.
The Bearded Bard1 votesWtf does morellonomicon or burst have to do with this discussion? We're talking about defensive items on offensive roles, not burst or even damage in general. I'm not even saying mages are weak, I think they're fine. My problem is that Marksman, a purely offensive role, has so many defensive options.
Notice AP champions have three non-niche defensive options. That's . They are all three very good items, no one is saying they aren't. The reason I'm not putting is because they are only good on very specific champions, hence, niche. I wouldn't count that as defensive just like I wouldn't count triforce as defensive for AD.
But here's what AD has: 
That's a lot of defensive options for a role that is literally only there for damage, don'tcha think?
Marshbouy1 votesHe was talking about lifestealing back up to full.
wait, nevermind, talking to you is pointless. you just threw up lifesteal items as defensive ones. goodbye.
The Bearded Bard1 votesThat was the joke, bruh.
Chaos6891 votesBut not the 300 gold armor that everyone can buy a chainmail and one of on first back...
Meanwhile 10 arpen on 3.2k items...
Reikken1 votesMR is slightly cheaper than armor, yes why, I do not know
Emerald Fang1 votesIt's because AP is more readily available than AD. While ALL AP-scaling champs can receive over 800-900 AP or more if they stack enough, AD champions are limited to a cap of about 500 AD (except Jhin). AD is penalized in this way because physical damage is more abundant, since basic attacks deal physical damage.
Reikken1 votesnah that doesn't make any sense AP is available in larger amounts because it isn't as effective (You can do like 5.0 AD dps or more, but you can only do at most like 3.0-4.0 AP in one burst, with AP sustained dps rarely breaking 1.0 by much). So the fact that you can get more AP than AD has nothing to do with the cost of armor and magic resist.
The Bearded Bard1 votesMore likely 300 AD, but with crits and IE that translates to about 750 damage per auto, before armor.
WoonStruck1 votes"Zhonya's is our only armor item!"
Meanwhile AD get nothing outside of IBG, if you REALLY want to try to count that.