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Impossible to Carry!

Boomerangbro··1 votes·2,371 views

Ok, so I main Evelynn and I know how to play her actually very decently. So, when placements happened, I just thought to myself, "Oh, Ill just pull out Eve and stomp like last time!" This time though, is very different. I'm finding it super hard to carry this season. I had at least 10 kills by the 15 minute mark because I figured out the enemies patterns, so I thought this game would be super easy. One problem though. I had ragers. The Jinx was flaming me, cause I kept telling her to build item 3036. She said it was a "**** item" and that I would carry. Then there was the Zilean. He refused to ult me because he said I was being toxic towards him. I only told him not to dive so carelessly, so he decided that he wouldn't revive me.

This is seriously super frustrating. I CAN'T CARRY! LITERALLY! I'm getting fed up. Bronze players WILL NOT COOPERATE! They refuse to build pen and anti-heal against fed carries and then are surprised to why we lost.

P.S. ~ guess who got blamed for our loss. YEP! "EVE! WHY DID YOU NOT SMITE STEAL THE BARON! YOU F*CKED US! GG!"

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20 Comments

WukongMain3 votes

you have just about half your teams kills. and you have about 4k gold more than your full build costs. now unless you spent 4k gold on wards and pots, you're taking wayy to many kills.

spread some gold elsewhere, even more so if your teammate is a shitty player. they're bad at the game? so feed them so hard they're too powerful to die. so dont take their kills, esp the adcs. they got so much power in the late game.

Now, i didn't see the game, maybe all your kills no one else was around or could've gotten them, but odds are they were, and you could have shared some gold.

and if you're that fed, whys the game 44 mins? assassinate their carries, push towers.

League's heading in a more team orientated manner, so sharing some gold with your fellow rifters is starting to become a valid way to carry the game when only you have the gold on your team, the game turns into a 1v5. "Everybody kill Eve, the rest will scatter and we end the game" that's probably what went through your enemies head.

and if Zil's not going to ulti you, so be it. atleast you know he wont. and you can prepare with the knowledge of knowing zil ulti is coming

jinx doesnt wanna build the items YOU told her to build? HA maybe you should have went ad carry. she probably had her own build in mind,think of it from their prospective...

It's a Team Game, at the end of the day Team friendliness will win you more games than not. Even if you feel your comrades deserve no support... Suck a lil D anyway...it'll make them play better.

[slayer-jinx-catface] Good-Luck in your future games, you did really well that eve game. But please remember that league of legends is not a solo one vs all game, and that your "teammates" need gold too.

Boomerangbro1 votes

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you have just about half your teams kills. and you have about 4k gold more than your full build costs. now unless you spent 4k gold on wards and pots, you're taking wayy to many kills.

spread some gold elsewhere, even more so if your teammate is a shitty player. they're bad at the game? so feed them so hard they're too powerful to die. so dont take their kills, esp the adcs. they got so much power in the late game.

Now, i didn't see the game, maybe all your kills no one else was around or could've gotten them, but odds are they were, and you could have shared some gold.

and if you're that fed, whys the game 44 mins? assassinate their carries, push towers.

League's heading in a more team orientated manner, so sharing some gold with your fellow rifters is starting to become a valid way to carry the game when only you have the gold on your team, the game turns into a 1v5. "Everybody kill Eve, the rest will scatter and we end the game" that's probably what went through your enemies head.

and if Zil's not going to ulti you, so be it. atleast you know he wont. and you can prepare with the knowledge of knowing zil ulti is coming

jinx doesnt wanna build the items YOU told her to build? HA maybe you should have went ad carry. she probably had her own build in mind,think of it from their prospective...

It's a Team Game, at the end of the day Team friendliness will win you more games than not. Even if you feel your comrades deserve no support... Suck a lil D anyway...it'll make them play better.

[slayer-jinx-catface] Good-Luck in your future games, you did really well that eve game. But please remember that league of legends is not a solo one vs all game, and that your "teammates" need gold too.

I really love your answer! I tried my best, and most of the kills did come from ezreal and nidalee. Garen was just too strong for me to solo, so I tried to rally the team, but Jinx was always in the front and I was always flanking. By the time I had flanked and killed off Ezreal and Sona, half my team was already dead. Otherwise, I think we did fairly well.

It just frustrates me that Zilean refused to ult me. It would have been game winning.

WukongMain1 votes

thanks, i'm glad you liked it :)

I mean, if you think you did fairly well, isn't that a win? even if the game ended in defeat?

there's a youtuber (channel name : lastshadow9) and in one of hes videos he talked about LP and how to think of it. he explained that its actually currency..and when you queue up for a game, you're spending that currency to improve yourself. and that even if the match is a defeat, you can still win from it..you can still find where your mistakes are and improve on them. he makes other awesome videos, i highly suggest looking him up :)

Definitely Bait1 votes

Honestly I originally started a long near essay level post to respond to this talking about how in bronze it's mostly your own mistakes causing problems... But then I realized at around 1:02 or 1:03 in this video trick2g says it perfectly in a single sentence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPwXUMNvq3M

I don't particularly care for his style of acting and videos in general. But his advice is great and does help a lot in my opinion. The focus on selfish game play forces a mindset of concentrating on your own mistakes. Fixing your mistakes results in doing things better. Doing things better results in winning more.

If you're constantly blaming and relying on others rather than focusing on your own play, decisions, and mechanics you will lose more. Blaming / caring about what your team is doing just acts as a easy scapegoat to explain why things went badly. Accept that your the only consistent factor in losing games and need to improve / not make your mistakes. You should strive to be the factor that makes games win. If you're not find the mistakes you made and what the better options would of been so you can avoid repeating the mistakes in your future.

We all blame others at one point or another and if we're using chat we will verbalize it once in a while or often (Depends on upbringing / personality and control). The trick is to ignore that in game and move past it after the game.

Just don't care about what your teammates are doing right or wrong. Focus on yourself and your own play and where you should be to win. Teammates change every game you shouldn't rely on them. Just focus on learning how to give it to yourself and how to properly use it yourself.

Jungle is probably the best position to get in this mindset. You decide where to go, who to gank, and what objective to grab with any information provided. If you listen to every ping and everything lothers say you will end up trying to camp the 0/5/0 at around toplane and feed them harder which will more than likely result in a loss.

Though I should note if they do offer advice / suggestions, or make calls analyze it and consider it. If it is reasonable try it. If it doesn't work out or hasn't worked out in multiple games ignore it.

You won't always be able to think of every solution and the best way to solve it yourself. Sometimes it takes a alternate outside observation or viewpoint to discover better solutions that you haven't noticed.

Basically be selfish / self centered when it comes to playing solo queue while at the same time testing and evaluating the advice / criticism of others. If what they say is true then fix it but don't rely on the ability of anyone else to win.

It's a odd contradiction that requires taking a middle ground. If you go overly far into selfishness you'll just lose more and possible never learn alternative solutions to the problems that made you lose. If you follow others too much without testing and verifying their methods you will lose more because the solutions they provided are wrong. Either way, being reliant on your team will be detrimental and completely ignoring the possible validity of any help they offer or criticism they give is detrimental.

Following this middle ground and thinking pattern is hard and I highly doubt anyone can do it 24/7 (If they could lcs and challenger level players wouldn't be special)

Somehow I still ended up making a entirely too long post. Oh well.

WukongMain1 votes

on some levels i agree with you..you cant rely on your teammates for anything.. but at the same time..you kinda have too.

When i'm jungling, i like to use a "reward system" , i'm constantly watching the lanes, analyzing to the best of my ability. Oh? i see my mid laner is doing really really good hes dodged quite a few skillshots and is even up in cs vs hes opponent. i think ill reward them next time there's a kill/camp/cs that either one of us is able to take, and let him take it.

If they're doing poorly however, and i see them missing so much cs and getting caught out quite often, i will take any and all kills i can when they're around.

Basically, you're Trash until i see you perform better than trash, Then, you've earned yourself My gold.

But say...i have basically a whole completed item on every single one of my enemies, i'm already stronger than them..being stronger(er) isn't going to do anything...i can already win fights. Its time to stop being greedy for gold. Its time to let my teammates, who may be behind in items take some of those kills.

Think of it as...the illusion of tankiness. If your teammates become stronger your enemies will be more inclined to throw skillshots their direction, and not yours. They'll be more inclined to auto attack them, instead of you. Giving you the room you need to go in there and do what you need to do.

Wizzleboom3 votes

I want to add that bad players will often place blame on JG.

I'm jungle main and I know this pain all too well. The sad part is that there is nobody to blame aside from yourself if you die in lane because:

-You got caught out too far. Freeze the lane and/or just farm under your turret, it's not worth losing the gold/xp from deaths. -You didn't ward. Vision stops ganks. -You fed. The enemy can now dive you.

It's super easy to avoid death early game unless you are going full Rambo mode.

My usual answer if someone blames for their death "It's not my job to teach you how to lane."

Sir Yamazuki2 votes

Last hitting champions=/=carrying. Your team mates had quite a lot of assists, so all you honestly did was hog up all the kills. If you're going to take everything from your team, then be prepared to do everything on your own.

Boomerangbro1 votes

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Last hitting champions=/=carrying. Your team mates had quite a lot of assists, so all you honestly did was hog up all the kills. If you're going to take everything from your team, then be prepared to do everything on your own.

See, the problem here was, that noone was competent enough to follow up. I had enough to assassinate them myself, so after I made my rounds and everyone had grouped, I just picked off stragglers. Yes, that was a weird plan, but that's Rengar's playstyle. Also, when I tried to feed the Jinx kills, she missed 6/7 of her ults, so I did give her the chance.

Gypsyleeboy1 votes

no need to double post threads

Boomerangbro1 votes

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no need to double post threads

Because I'm frustrated and need an answer to solve the problem that is ragers. Besides, this thread is different.

Gypsyleeboy1 votes

Here's a tip, when you tell someone to do something and they refuse. Let them be. Just pretend you're on their side and let them be happy cause those are the people that will rage the hardest.

When someone takes your advice, GOOD! but don't be too bossy.

Lastly, Ping when you come in, and when you're leaving. When someone gets a kill, tell them gj. When you need help, let them know..

When they see you're positive, they work with you. If two playing get into a rage fight, tell them to "calm down" and " We got this, no worries"

When someone says they're gonna carry you. Say, okay I'm trusting you!

This DOES help. Be on your teams side, not the enemies side.

Kills mean nothing, Spread them as evenly as possible with laners if you could. It makes everyone happy, and no one falls behind. Dont flaunt your K/D/A, No one cares and you probably stole most the kills.

Lastly, DON'T Be the dick.. Don't be that guy who say's you're gonna carry, or you're gonna feed, afk, not gank, etc. Dont be that ass, it puts people on tilt and makes them aggravated.

Definitely Bait1 votes

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Some games are winnable even if you feed a bit or lose lane or have a horrible team. Yours might of potentially been redeemable with different decisions. I suck at riven and still managed to get a win out of this one (Even lost lane and first tower to malphite). Just analyze what you did during the game and figure out a better way to approach things.

Don't worry about the team and what happened. Just focus on what you did and what could be done better to goad them into winning.

Take every loss as your fault and things will get better (Sometimes slowly, sometimes rapidly).

Itadaki Seieki1 votes

If you have 27 kills as a jungler and your ADC has 9.. There are some issues there.

As a jungler I try to balance out K/A. Does it work? No.

It's better that SOME people on your team have kills than no one at all. If you didn't secure the kills they would have escaped. If Jinx got the secure, that's more gold to her, and ultimately, your team.

Kaosz1 votes

Why build tank ap? Seriously... I'm curious why you build a warmogs and deadman's plate on evelyn.

Boomerangbro1 votes

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Why build tank ap? Seriously... I'm curious why you build a warmogs and deadman's plate on evelyn.

Thresh refused to frontline so I had to make due and become the "frontline." When a teamfight broke out, I always stood in front and tanked the first couple of shots, then went invisible and flanked from the side.

Kaosz1 votes

why not build like an assassin, use your stealth to get behind them, then take out the enemy back-line instead making your front-line stronger?

Beanwater1 votes

To be fair eve actually needs to build some defensive items or she is useless by late game. Jungle item and rylai's I think are usually enough damage for eve to fulfil her role.

Boomerangbro1 votes

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why not build like an assassin, use your stealth to get behind them, then take out the enemy back-line instead making your front-line stronger?

What frontline? I would have gone full assassin if we HAD a frontline, but since Thresh refused to stand in front, I had to make due with the situation.

GreenLore1 votes

Its a teamgame. If one champ could carry their whole team,then it would mean that the game would become even more snowbally,which would really suck.

Randomonium1 votes

That was one game. Looking at your match history most of the time when you carry you win and when you don't carry you lose. There's always going to be games where no matter how hard you carry you're still going to lose. Thankfully those games cancel out with them games where you don't carry but still win.

I really don't feel sorry for you though because apparently you think it's fine to build nothing but negatron cloaks on Warwick in a ranked game. Don't come whining about trolls and ragers when you do the same thing as them, it's hypocritical.

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