You buff Pyke for world, but not Zed?

D357R0Y3R·Sep 18, 2018·6 votes·1,382 views

Meddler: "Zed is already fine in regular, so we have no room to buff him for world"

Balance team: "we will buff pyke for world"

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26 Comments

BeatzBoyFTWSep 18, 20186 votes

Cz Pyke isn't a serious nuisance like Zed.

D357R0Y3RSep 18, 20182 votes

oh really?

sometimes i wonder if i'm playing a different game than the boards

fucking piece of shit 45 base armor assassin with hard cc isn't a nuisance? god forbide you can poke his high base stats to force him out of the lane

what the fuck am i saying he has sustain LMFAO

BeatzBoyFTWSep 18, 20184 votes

You mean the two "hard CC" that has a big charging delay between them, where one can be blocked by minions & another can be sidestepped/dashed/blinked away? Or how about the part where after he Es in, he has close to no escape? W? That's not even a Blink or a Dash, you're still able to see/cc him when he's near you.

Since you think I'm wrong, give Pyke mid a shot & lemme know again.

D357R0Y3RSep 18, 20183 votes

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You mean the two "hard CC" that has a big charging delay between them, where one can be blocked by minions & another can be sidestepped/dashed/blinked away?

ok? try dodging his E without flash/mobility when he uses his E on top of you, use W for bonus movement speed and then you can't outrun him

Or how about the part where after he Es in, he has close to no escape?

why would he escape? you're going to die and he doesn't need to escape he has freaking 45 base armor at lvl 1 and aftershock

Since you think I'm wrong, give Pyke mid a shot & lemme know again.

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BeatzBoyFTWSep 18, 20184 votes

ok? try dodging his E without flash/mobility when he uses his E on top of you, use W for bonus movement speed and then you can't outrun him

It's the same concept as predicting where J4's gonna EQ towards you. Fakeout his prediction by going the opposite direction the moment his Spirit Water thingy comes back.

why would he escape? you're going to die and he doesn't need to escape he has freaking 45 base armor at lvl 1 and aftershock

Assuming he actually one-shots you from full HP unlike Zed.

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You compared Pyke to a mid lane Assassin. Sounds sensible enough.

D357R0Y3RSep 18, 20182 votes

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Assuming he actually one-shots you from full HP unlike Zed.

he's a support, he's always with his dog named the adc

You compared Pyke to a mid lane Assassin. Sounds sensible enough.

and? zed is good in regular, broken if buffed

pyke is good in regular, and will be broken if buffed but it never implied that pyke was a midlaner

BeatzBoyFTWSep 18, 20181 votes

he's a support, he's always with his dog named the adc

Ok good, then we both established that he doesn't do a ton of damage.

and? zed is good in regular, broken if buffed

pyke is good in regular, and will be broken if buffed but it never implied that pyke was a midlaner

I don't like the idea of Pyke getting buffed. Not sure what they were thinking through. Again, you were making a wrong comparison between 2 champions with totally different distinctive roles.

IllabetheSep 18, 20181 votes

I'm Not. I'm a jungler. The whole map is my adc.

IllabetheSep 18, 20181 votes

You're not going to die unless you literally are an adc and take every CC. Most champs have a way to death with Pyke's lackluster damage pre ult.

chipndip1Sep 18, 20181 votes

Pyke mid is bad ONLY because he doesn't scale for shit, which doesn't matter when he's support because supports don't need to scale.

IllabetheSep 18, 20181 votes

He actually scales far stronger in Mid and Jungle than support for the mere reason he can't gain HP /Ult Thresholds unless he has dominant leveling potential...... which at Support, he does not.

If you could be level 9 at 12 minutes into the game as support, or a level 11-12 Jungler, which would you choose, especially since Pyke's Ult is such an integral part of his kit? More HP, More damage, more mobility. Oh. Mid/Jungler also has more gold to spend.

This is generally true with a lot of supports, like Zyra Morgana Karma ....... hence why I often jungle them.

IllabetheSep 18, 20181 votes

I rarely ever use Pyke that way. If I can't get close enough to Click Q for more damage, it's not even worth engaging in most cases. If you want to play Pyke smart and keep deaths down, that's how you play. Use W to get close enough to Q Click. If it's a bad situation, E the hell out of there. Any chasers will usually be stuck in your stun wake.

General MattySep 18, 20181 votes

The drawback is he has high CDs as well as he cannot gain max health

D357R0Y3RSep 18, 20181 votes

he cannot gain max health he gains more ad instead

it's a drawback without any impact because he gains something else instead

IllabetheSep 18, 20182 votes

Actually he doesn't, because his base AD is much less than comparable champs. You're basically trading in your HP to get the AD growth other champs already have.

For example, Zed AD ranges from 63-120.8. Pyke's is 62-96. For Pyke to have comparable AD to Zed, he has to sacrifice 347.2 Bonus HP.

Now..... how many items does Pyke get that actually have HP? Usually at most 1 item per game: item 3071

Now let's compare him to Blitzcrank :

61-121. About the same AD growth as assassins.

The only related champ that scales worse than Pyke: Thresh ..... who comes in at 56-93.4 And he has a forever stacking on hit damage bonus, Armor bonus,

You're almost entirely eating up BC's HP just to get the AD any other champ would have.

General MattySep 18, 20181 votes

What Illabethe said

IllabetheSep 18, 20182 votes

He has crap damage scaling. Compared to actual assassins he actually plays far more like a Blitz or Thresh: Good supplemental damage, but not really a soloist except perhaps versus adcs.

He doesn't do 1/4th the damage a Talon or Zed does on a reliable basis.

D357R0Y3RSep 18, 20181 votes

yea and then you realise that unlike other assassins he has a dog with him

IllabetheSep 18, 20181 votes

You do realize mid assassins usually get fed off bot, not mid, right? Roaming is a core part of their play..... Talon and Zed usually have 2 "dogs."

I think it's funny you're trying to argue that 5v5 is somehow not 5v5, and a fair "trade" for Pyke's Lower AD growth in exchange for HP conversion/capping.

The thing is..... I'd buy an argument that Pyke's Mobility and reset potential is a fair "trade." But having an adc? Lmfao.

D357R0Y3RSep 18, 20181 votes

i don't see the issue he plays botlane and botlane they're 2 vs 2, not 1v1 like mid or top

if you want to dismiss the argument go ahead idc

IllabetheSep 18, 20181 votes

Because by dismissing that other assassins have teams, you basically ignore that to play Pyke support, you are substituting him for a DIFFERENT support.

A game is NOT 2v2. It's 5v5, and the quicker you learn that, the better you can climb. He has no intrinsic damage, no team heals, nothing but CC that most supports out CC. He is basically.... as support.... the cleanup crew.

Fortunately, I play him Jungle.

Fízz v2Sep 18, 20183 votes

i dont remember past worlds changes being this random.. kinda happy i got a 14 day ban and im addicted to Dragon Quest 11 now hehe xd

SnugglePuggle94Sep 18, 20183 votes

Zed doesn't need buffs. He's already an OP pain in the ass as he is.

Elite4RunnerSep 18, 20181 votes

Oh hey, it's you again!

RIOT WANTS HIM TO BE PLAYED AT WORLDS!

And not just "oh the pros already like him so he's fine"

THEY WANT HIM 100% PICK OR BAN

He is a new champion. He is a popular champion. He has a lot of potential to make exciting plays.

Being played at Worlds also means he will likely be picked up by a lot of people who don't already have him.

I don't know why you're having so much trouble with this.

IllabetheSep 18, 20181 votes

Where is this info coming from?

IllabetheSep 18, 20181 votes

My guess is they will modify his AD growth, which tbh is on the weak side. Wouldn't affect his gameplay much, but would reward hits a little better and make his damage more on par with other hook/control supports/champs.

He spends so much of his sacrificed HP just making up the missing AD that other champs already get for free.

I don't see them buffing R, or Q, or W. Maybe a slightly longer E stun. Dunno.

Whatever it will be, it's probably a minor tweak, not a huge change.