Why not let Cinderhulk enchant stack with Sunfire Cape?

Shadow Gilgamesh··26 votes·13,584 views

Title.

The patch notes are up and it says that the immolate passive will be unique and not stack

But you can stack the magic damage of devourer with wits end, and Juggernauts tenacity stacked with stuff like Irelia's passive, so why won't Cinderhulk stack if you buy Sunfire Cape? Would it actually be OP if it did?

48 Comments

Gray Fanchon12 votes

They'd have to balance both items around the idea you'd be stacking them. Thus they'd have to make the effects of the individual items weaker, thus encouraging people to build them together and discourage using them alone.

It's a little redundant to use both, I think. They fulfill pretty much the same function out of the early-game, from the looks of things.

DeusVult2 votes

But I am Amumu Nautilus Rammus etc, I just want to be tankier and have more DPS by just staying in the fight

Silven4 votes

If you're gonna be buying the Cinderhulk enchant and you really wanna max out on your armor and health, I'd suggest getting a Randuin's instead. It affects the same stats, has another cool active and passive.

I, for example, usually play Skarner with item 3715 and the Devourer enchant, and since he's so good at sticking to his targets, I get a Sunfire Cape.

When I play Nautilus, I usually buy Juggernaut and Sunfire, but now the two items have basically combined into one and I don't need to get the Sunfire Cape anymore since I already have the effect. Honestly it allows me to build something else I could really need.

Big Lincoln10 votes

I don't want Riot to have more reason to "keep an eye on" Sejuani

Axrios4 votes

u forgot about my baby Amumu

Sammystorm1 votes

When did riot say this? I would be up set if burst boar got nerfed again. The nerf to the damage her w did to turrets wrecked her split push.

qetzel3 votes

*Bug fix

Sammystorm1 votes

it was a bug but it was a fun bug

Tourian1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Solomon Money,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=m7e9AY08,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-03-12T02:03:15.768+0000)

I don't want Riot to have more reason to "keep an eye on" Sejuani

She's OP as hell man. She needs something minor reduced.

Also if they stacked wouldn't that be like 100 magic damage per second or something?

Big Lincoln1 votes

She's really not. If you want a fair nerf to Sejuani, then bring back the people that can actually pose a threat to her early game. Right now, most of the invaders not only don't benefit from the new jungle, but most of them are in such a shitty spot, it's not even worth trying to fight people that you SHOULD be winning fights against early game.

That's exactly why it shouldn't stack; Sejuani's already going to be even more of a late game queen with the new item and Gromp smite, do you REALLY think people like her and Amumu should be given more damage?

aperson11 votes

Honestly she probably is one of the highest tier junglers this patch. The 5.5 changes do nothing but help her. I fully expect to see her picked/banned in most LCS games this patch.

Of course I could be wrong, but I would be surprised if she doesn't at least get a lovetap in 5.6.

TehNACHO7 votes

Question.

Do you know about the League of Sunfires?

Erockandroll8 votes

{quoted}

Question.

Do you know about the League of Sunfires?

I have heard of league of Warmargs, League of Cleavers, And League of the other thing.

Which is why we finally decided to settle on the league of Unique passives.

Crett10 votes

{quoted}

I have heard of league of Warmargs, League of Cleavers, And League of the other thing.

Which is why we finally decided to settle on the league of Unique passives.

Garen builds 6 sunfire capes anyone who comes near takes 408 magic damage per second, meanwhile garen is getting 432 armor and 2700 hp from sunfire

redniwediS4 votes

Garen was fun, but sadly he didn't beat infinite invisibility Evelyn with stacking Sunfires. Twitch was a close second.

Crett9 votes

{quoted}

Garen was fun, but sadly he didn't beat infinite invisibility Evelyn with stacking Sunfires. Twitch was a close second.

AW come on you know garen is the master of sunfire http://i.imgur.com/7tpCu.png

redniwediS1 votes

As a Garen main since season 1 I wish it was so, sadly he isn't better than the invisible death. =(

1st HanarSpectre2 votes

{quoted}

Garen was fun, but sadly he didn't beat infinite invisibility Evelyn with stacking Sunfires. Twitch was a close second.

Eve/twitch for permanent burning and Shaco, since his clone doubled your sunfire amount. Those three were the sunfire kings

Wheatloaf1 votes

And then there were Rammus and Taric.

RetroRage961 votes

Eve/twitch for permanent burning and Shaco, since his clone doubled your sunfire amount.

Wukong?

1st HanarSpectre2 votes

{quoted}

Wukong?

He didn't exist back then.

HandheldBrandon1 votes

OMG those were the days of super trolling.

I remember doing that with twitch as well as Eve.

TBH I kinda miss Meta golem and Bravery. Way better than league of god damn assassins.

Sammystorm1 votes

back then evelynn wasn't revealed when she was on top of you

So she could kill you without doing anything.

Focus Teemo7 votes

They fear the legend of five sunfire cape Garen aka Garaxxus eredar lord of the burning legion! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkeC9WVVsQ4

KING OF MASKS4 votes

GARAXXUS GARAXXUS YOU FACE GARAXXUS EREDAR LORD OF THE TRIFLING Teemo

Rakvir2 votes

I wish more people here played WoW and understood just how good a take on that remix of Mr. Voletron's this is.

Needs more upvotes.

UPfreely5 votes

i was super bummed when they announced it wouldn't stack. they take out all the fun build options :|

Crett3 votes

{quoted}

i was super bummed when they announced it wouldn't stack. they take out all the fun build options :|

being super tanky while doing massive aoe magic damage isn't really fair to your opponents. UNLESS THEY'RE A FRIGGING ADC THAT CAN KILL YOU IN 5 SECONDS ANYWAY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tank life is hard

Wheatloaf5 votes

There's a difference between doing magic damage by autoattacking someone, and doing it by standing near them. Tanks, by the way, tend to be very good at standing near people.

Tis a nice day1 votes

Especially Nautilus. That guy has three different moves + a passive to make sure he can stick on you, and a final tanky shield to make sure you can't just kill him off the bat.

Killer X 124 votes

Because then 1) tank junglers would all build full tank but still kill everyone. 2) top laners would start building jungle items 3)thats a horrible idea lol

Enkidusmurf3 votes

Devourer and Wit's End, and Tenacity and Ionian Fervor: These are similar effects, but not the same Unique Passive. I do sorta wish Riot had left Sunfire as it was and just added a similar jg item without requiring stacks of unique passives. But yeah, making unique passives stackable is a bad idea.

Also, I like your summoner name. ;)

Eedat3 votes

"Stand near me. I dare you." -Amumu

Best Darius KR2 votes

We all want Mass Sunfire Cape Garen to be a thing again don't we :3

Very Hard Engage1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR6J0r4LHHI

personally this will help a smidge early, but it still wont be enough to make them equal in clear speed to those hefty ads yet.

ad champs will still clear faster and still have more map presence.

Zmuecat1 votes

Man, I miss Fortify.

Lost R1 votes

It shouldn't be any surprise to anyone. You can't stack Zephyr + Juggernaut + Mercury Treads and get 105% Tenacity.

femmé1 votes

because the league of sunfires (one of the many "league of" in the history of lol) where you could stack sunfires and proceed kill with out attacking once. sej gets sunfire and cinderhulk and just becomes and aoe pig of death with her W.

The Whamboozler1 votes

I don't think it would really break the game to let those two item passives stack, provided it's only ONCE. 4 sunfires = bad. But a Cinderhulk and a sunfire = a tank who can build entirely tank and still matter in fights enough that you want to focus him. WHICH IS HIS JOB. All the complaints about how tank junglers were useless a while back... WHY ARE PEOPLE AGAINST THIS NOW?

originary911 votes

Because then you'd run around doing 60-75 Magic damage per second at level 10, which is kinda sorta broken.

Meep Man1 votes

Because that is about 100 magic damage per second to nearby enemies without doing anything.

Fisk1 votes

It would be super broken and both items would have to be awful alone so then you would be forced to either build both or neither. A pick one is much better. Also, back in the earlier days, sunfire capes did stack and 5 capes was a strategy and it was terrible xD Believe in the fact that stacking sunfire is better left out.

CoolKnightST1 votes

The entire fighter item class is just outdated. Devourer with wits end should indeed be build out a similar item and resulted into the same unique passive. Maybe in the future it will be like this.

junglerboy161 votes

Simple answer: Jungle Alistar.

Giving tanks Cinderhulk and the Gromp buff change is already going to make him a lot more viable in the jungle because he'll be able to clear again, and his ganks have never stopped being really good. Combine that with the fact that he can sustain really well because of E and he becomes quite scary in the jungle. Now if you gave him sunfire on top of Cinderhulk he would fly through the jungle without pause and that means he would be free to gank on a whim, which is something Riot is very scared of.

I'm still going to jungle Alistar after this patch though, he is going to be just good enough to be able to gank, but still niche enough that I doubt Riot will gut it again.

EDIT: That and they probably are remembering League of sunfire when people literally built item 3068 item 3068 item 3068 item 3068 item 3068 item 3068 and melted people to death without even attacking.

Celeste Benal1 votes

Those League of Sunfire vids.... so broken. And Spin to Win takes on a whole new meaning.

Despite this all, Skarner will tank Riot for the buff.

More from Gameplay

More by Shadow Gilgamesh