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Now that we buffed Nasus Q and Ult, can we PLEASE nerf his overpowered SLOW?

Glauciane··77 votes·4,102 views

Lvl 5 point and click W gives 95% slow for 5 seconds and 47% atk speed reduction, which for adcs is almost a 5 seconds stun. Add the Iceborg Gaunlet slow effect, Dead Man's Plate speed, Righteous Glory speedbuff and the tons of tenacity/speed buffs from the new runes and we have a very op tank machine. I play as a support and I believe that's VERY unfair to have a tank deleting my adc even when i spend 3 shields at him lol

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Taliyah Rocks25 votes

This is why i believe Nasus lacks counterplay, not only does he get his powerspike too early compared to before because of all the cash he can make, but he's so hard to kill.

He's too tanky to be taken down by burst, so you need a source of sustained damage if you want a chance at killing him. But his wither kills attack speed and makes whoever got withered unable to even trade back and remotely deal damage to him for a whole five seconds.

When laning vs Nasus, if you're AP, he'll just build a item 3211 at 5 minutes and ignore ALL your damage. If you're AD, he'll just wither you and win trades.

Nasus needs a bigger window where he is weak. For a champion that can stack infinitely, he is too reliable currently.

Azuregore2 votes

Even veigar has windows where you can deal with him. Nasus? Nah, lets just wither and run away, or ult and Q nuke you. Or both.

Pika Fox25 votes

If you wanted to have credibility, youd at least look up what his slow is/does.... Its not 95% for 5 seconds.

And if youre a shield support thinking a shield is going to save your ADC against nasus.... youre gunna have a bad time. It wouldnt save them from any other bruiser either.

Cowseed6 votes

Are you suggesting that you treat a nasus situation like a banana?

(I mean peel)

dunder kill10 votes

I prefer to treat it more like a lemon because I like some zest in my peel. Personal preference of course.

Poske2 votes

if he wanted to have credability he had to be something which isnt ADC

Nasus cant even be a lategame hypercarry due to your class and this 2 items item 3035 item 3135

Denims Wrath6661 votes

item 3022 item 3116 dont forget these

Clockwork Mouse1 votes

Or these item 3147 item 3814 item 3142

Doozku5 votes

wtf?

Nasus beats assassins always unless he's behind and they're super ahead.

Clockwork Mouse1 votes

Rengar with all they + Last whisper and IE can kill tanks nearly as fast as he can melt ADCs. At least with 300 armor on in that last game i played.

Doozku2 votes

Send me a replay of that.

Sasogwa18 votes

Maxed W gives an average of 65% slow and 32.5 % attack speed slow. If you're gonna use only the max values, then say it lasts only 1 second ... because those values are only there at the last second.

And also knowing Nasus was garbage 45% WR with the old attack speed slow that gave 35-95% ats slow as well and had higher range, I highly doubt that slow is the problem. Slow is annoying but it's powder to the eyes.

RocketRelm5 votes

This thread is about nasus, but can we take a moment to complain about sivir and her 8 second teamwide 60% movespeed burst? That kind of mobility really makes her able to force engagements she has no right forcing.

please tell me I don't need to put the /s here

Dracocrash2 votes

was about to downvote you, untill i saw the last line.

Yes, its ridiculous how people pick a part of a champions kit and complain about it.

But if we get back to nasus, imo, the duration/power of the slow is fine.

My problem is the cd.

I would much prefer if it had a higher cd. Especially at later ranks.

Here's why I think the cd is the problem (late game!)

5s duration, 6s cd max rank with 40% cdr (which nasus very much likes to get)

this allows him to get of 3 W's in the duration of the ult.

So even if as a support/adc you crucible/qss one wither, the next one is bound to get you as he runs you down with his ult.

I feel like even if the adc had more than a 1s window to run away after the wither wore of, it would be much more balanced. A 2s window for example, would grant a lot more counterplay, even though it seems tiny.

TLDR ; NASUS W SHOULD HAVE A 7S CD MAX RANK WITH MAX CDR, NOT 6.

MrDrBudd16 votes

Juggernaut =/= tank

Ralik09811 votes

Instead of nerfing wither, you should nerf his lane phase. He is supposed to be VERY weak in lane but after level 6 he basically becomes unkillable because of the mega buffs they gave his ult awhile back. Remove some power from the first rank of his ultimate so that people can actually fight him in lane after he gets it.

AmazoX1 votes

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Instead of nerfing wither, you should nerf his lane phase. He is supposed to be VERY weak in lane but after level 6 he basically becomes unkillable because of the mega buffs they gave his ult awhile back. Remove some power from the first rank of his ultimate so that people can actually fight him in lane after he gets it.

Games get decided around 10-15 minutes on which team rules the rift for the next 20 minutes and you want his level 6 to be garbage? That's not how you balance, I know his strong as hell right now but that's not gonna help Nasus.

Ralik0984 votes

Didn't say garbage, I said he shouldn't be able to pop his ult and be unkillable which is basically how he is right now because you can't ever fight him when he has it. His ult is oppressive right now.

BALDG1VEN BOOMER10 votes

His slow is what breaks the gap for him to not be infinitely kitted to death, if anything just make it so it’s not point and click.

Glauciane12 votes

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His slow is what breaks the gap for him to not be infinitely kitted to death, if anything just make it so it’s not point and click.

Let's be honest, against adcs his slow is stronger than exaust but has like 1/20 of the cd

BALDG1VEN BOOMER2 votes

Well most ADCs have a built in kiting mechanics except a few exceptions.

MohawkBird3 votes

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HowAboutWeNaut1 votes

Congrats? So in late game, he'll just apply it back 2 seconds later so you better hope we can kill him in that time frame?

SpookyNeedle8 votes

It’d be okay if it didn’t have like a 2s downtime late game. Almost perma wither

PhantomPrankster4 votes

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Lvl 5 point and click W gives 95% slow for 5 seconds and 47% atk speed reduction, which for adcs is almost a 5 seconds stun. Add the Iceborg Gaunlet slow effect, Dead Man's Plate speed, Righteous Glory speedbuff and the tons of tenacity/speed buffs from the new runes and we have a very op tank machine. I play as a support and I believe that's VERY unfair to have a tank deleting my adc even when i spend 3 shields at him lol

as someone who switched to maining support.

FUCK this post, it takes a point and click W and gives 95% slow with a 47% attack speed reduction to even get in melee range of ADCs now a days

Blåbæret4 votes

Nasus is actually fine right now. You're crying for nerfs, but it won't happen.

LyingOnLine4 votes

"Now that Nasus is finally playable, let's make him unplayable!"

nah brah

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

Why? I bought item 3222 for the first time in years a couple games ago because of his slow and it was AWESOME.

sutora34 votes

nasus is NOT a tank he is a juggernaut which means that he is tanky and deals alot of damage but gets kited alot because of his limited mobility like theseDarius Garen Mordekaiser the way you counter him is kiting and qss

sobi9991 votes

I would absolutely love to kite/poke him if not for his ridiculous sustain. Why do people forget about that? Its the most annoying aspect of nasus.

sutora31 votes

how else he could surviveget past his weak laning phase

sobi9991 votes

What else is his weakness then? He afk farms under tower for 20 mins and then becomes unstoppable with enough stacks; builds god damn tank items and 2 shots you like an assassin so bursting him is also not an option. God forbid if he gets fed or even few kills, you need the whole team to kill him. Not to mention that if your adc is brain dead and does not know how to kite, and the nasus is pretty decent, you are pretty much dead. That's why he doesn't work in higher elo's where kiting is a thing. Consider vayne and how weak her early laning phase is, to compensate for her strong late game. That's why relic shield (before nerf) was really strong on her because it got rid of her only weakness at early game and that was sustain, due to the fact that she had somewhat slow farming and bad poke. So you could easily shut her down early game.

sutora31 votes

he has bad early game you can punish him and kill him because he doesnt do damage pre sheen deniyng him stacks abd making him useless which leads to him farming for another 15 minutes

Abyssphere1 votes

If Nasus can't get on someone to attack them, he can't sustain. You kite him so that he is not in range to auto you, and kill him while doing so. This is referring to teamfights, not the laning phase, where he will simply sustain off of minions.

sobi9991 votes

I did say that at higher elo he doesn't work where they know how to kite. But if lets say you are playing a champ that doesn't kite then you have to solely rely on your team mates to counter nasus. In a team fight he has enough opportunities to get on someone and tbh i do not think he is broken or anything, just anti-fun to play against. In lane it is very difficult to punish him because of his sustain and he can easily afk farm under tower. A good nasus will play safe early on regardless of how aggressive the enemy is playing and hence putting itself in danger of ganks. Pro's advice to counter nasus is by roaming and making his team pay for his first afk farming (in highe elo).

Saibbo1 votes

he is tanky and deals alot of damage but gets kited alot because of his limited mobility

but then why he has an anti-kite skill too?

sutora31 votes

to actually be able to auto an enemy aften 20 minites

Abyssphere1 votes

Because it should be a challenge. If it wasn't for Wither, kiting Nasus would literally just require walking in the opposite direction of him. With Wither, you have to put some modicum of effort into it and it's still very achievable.

Late For Tea3 votes

Don't worry, now that his new skin has released he can be nerfed in 2-4 weeks.

Ashen Rider3 votes

The reason Nasus is pretty meh in teamfights is cause he can't wither the entire enemy team, just one player.

Shuriman Curator3 votes

He's a juggernaut, up close and personal is where he shines.

Kanzler2 votes

I would nerf his passive. It's so hard to stick damage when he heals for 30 hp ler q at level 1

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2 votes

Lvl 5 point and click W gives 95% slow for 5 seconds and 47% atk speed reduction, which for adcs is almost a 5 seconds stun

who care ??? i mean his f***** W need to be nerfed, cause its cancerous af (his whole state).... But its more an issue for immobile melee. As adc you're bond to your supp.

DarkfireAM2 votes

Nasus isn’t even in the top 30 highest winrate Top laners...

Maybe you're doing something wrong?

Barkley5 votes

sigh... when are people going to realize that win rate =/= champion health?

Just because Nasus's win rate isn't the greatest doesn't make him any more fun to play against.

His W is cancer. There's no counterplay. Its a point and click (basically) stun that lasts what feels like forever. And you might say "Just buy QSS," but think about that for a second... is wither really what you want to burn your QSS on? Just so you can get withered AGAIN in a couple seconds? No. You don't QSS wither, that's dumb.

ÀIpha2 votes

You do know that the max slow doesn't apply until nearly the end of the duration right? If and adc like vayne or twitch buy a QSS (if the slow really is that bad of a problem) then nasus will most likely die if by the time he gets it up late game.

Denims Wrath6661 votes

as a nasus main, who plays the shit outta nasus, i'd have to have a counter buff to this. i'd be ok with a lowered %, even a bit of a smaller duration, but i want something in return. Lulu and Shyvana have similar ults to Nasus and Renekton . i think the boys should do a bit of a knock up. even if it was just a small bump like a trundle pillar when you ult. think about it, if someone doubles in size while you're bear hugging them, you're gunna get knocked back a bit.

Ixoziel5 votes

Those ults are not even close to similar. They don't halve the CD of their Qs or give them armor / MR like a Nasus ult does.

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