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As a Main Support, I REALLY miss Frost Queen, Talisman of Ascencion and Face of The Mountain

Glauciane·8/17/2019, 3:52:05 PM·85 votes·19,783 views

I understand that in professional scenario are superior to due to their vision power. However, I have my reasons to believe active-support items should get a chance to get back in the game.

1 - For a whole season they had both coexisted. Active-support items are not redundant in comparison to ward-support items since they have different objectives.

2- Less than 4% of playerbase is above Diamond. I'm quite sure that the **great majority **of your playerbase would make better use of over , since their and their teammates abilities of properly using great amount of map vision is inferior to their abilities of using shields/movement speed/movement debuffs in the right situation. Which takes to number 3,

3 - When both and coexisted was clearly more popular in most tiers.

4 - Excluding , that got replaced by (Several season ago was replaced by , what an irony), doesn't have similar replaces in terms of attributes. became an item. became an one. is not really that usefull unless you're , meaning only reached a stable position among supports.

5 - Support itemization became expansive since supports need to buy 2~3 items to early-game impact tfs instead of one . It's rare to see a being used by non- supports anymore. And it should be a core item in the heavy cc meta. But games got shorter and supports don't usually have time for buying it anymore.

6- No one really upgrades the ward item nowadays. It's not worthy. lvl3 ward support items are a total flop, everyone stops at lvl2.

130 Comments

preternatural8/17/2019, 3:59:06 PM41 votes

every core support item is underwhelming now, and their redistribution of power items aren't for supports. sucks. so now i'm solo laning again lol.

Yordle Xayah8/17/2019, 11:30:15 PM10 votes

New "Support" Items: item 3285 item 3041 item 3089 item 3116 item 3165 item 3151

Tsuko8/17/2019, 5:50:33 PM10 votes

I really don't want the hype-carry mage support meta again.

Being outclassed by a Annie Karma Lux Velkoz Veigar Zyra Xerath is really unfun when I'm playing a carry role. These champions weren't really supporting at that point when Frost Queens was in the game, they were just going for kills and would make the game impossible for the ADC to even function in lane.

Half the time, people would just pick these champions when they were autofilled and carry the game off the support role because of all the free gold they were getting.

Shijano8/18/2019, 4:37:06 AM6 votes

Riot should make support items have stats that only supports would want. I believe that Supports can have a separate class of stats that other roles would not abuse and make the supports scale with those stats. Utility stats could be like the already existent shield and heal power, bring back item active CD, ability percent increase, defences, mana and health with the regens, CDR, number of wards on map increase, ward time increase, ward CD decrease. Also, honestly I think supports should not have scalings with AD and AP. Make their base scalings better and remove damage scalings so that their items will not need AD and AP so that other roles will not abuse their items because they get no power from it. Just a small piece of my mind, I'm too lazy to fully type out the details of how the game could be balanced around this when Riot isn't going to care about these post or much of any thing we support mains say.

mmoran55548/17/2019, 4:05:06 PM6 votes

I agree with mostly everything you stated above, very nice analysis. However, it is good to encourage increased use of wards and map awareness. And yes I totally agree that level 3 support items never get built and that's a shame. Hope they fix that soon.

Freeza with an I8/17/2019, 8:14:10 PM6 votes

I miss Ruby Sightstone, the Item CDR was so nice to have :((

Manly Tear8/17/2019, 10:31:54 PM5 votes

Or they could just...you know...bring sightstone back AND those actives, then you'd once again have more choices to make whether rushing a sightstone or not, going for the supp item active earlier or not, etc. Yea, we all know, vision dominates pro play so much that HUR DURR IT'S NOT FLASHY ENOUGH BECAUSE, THE HORROR!!! But even then, if they're that desperate for forcing pro play to play with less vision so they're forced to take more risks, then might as well slightly nerf the vision for pro play ONLY, or heck.

Constantly removing items, simplying the jungle forcing it into one play-style, spam-gank & more, all in favor of flashy pro play has gotten so annoying over like, the past 2 years now.

enshine8/17/2019, 8:01:15 PM5 votes

They were all kinda broken and easily abused by champions and roles that shouldn't buy them

Daddy ReTaric8/18/2019, 5:04:45 PM3 votes

As a Old Taric main.. I miss two thing.. This item : item 3309 and old Taric kit that was more front line oriented than the current kit he have. I feel forced to build enchanters item to make my heal worth it when before I could go pure tank /armor and succeed. W armor nerf and base armor nerf really hurted Taric ability to be a real front line tank.

Pierce The Veal8/17/2019, 6:43:15 PM2 votes

I miss item 2056 and the absence of a ward limit

chipndip18/18/2019, 4:39:40 PM1 votes

I'm so tired of people wanting Riot to make intentionally poor decisions because "Most of the player base fucking sucks". Stop using that shit as your justification for balance changes in a competitive game.

Also, the support gold item changes aren't JUST good for pro games. It's good for supports so we don't have to gold sink 800 gold into solely warding, so we can use our gold on other things that are more useful.

Beerstein8/18/2019, 9:41:49 PM1 votes

I miss JUNGLE having a vision item.