If SILVERS cannot Duo with PLATINUMS, WHY are they queued AGAINST ONE OTHER?

Glauciane·4/24/2019, 7:21:23 AM·112 votes·20,067 views

Match-Maker becomes a Joke late-night. I prefer to wait 5 minutes for a fair match than 2 minutes for a totally unfair one. Silvers cannot duo with Platinums since it would cause an unbalanced match. But they can play against one other anyway.

Obviously, Silver 3 twitch made the poorest performance and Plat 4 kai'sa carried.

EDIT: THIS IS A RANKED GAME. https://imgur.com/CRkMlq1 You cannot expose other people nicknames on boards while talking about their bad performance, as i'm doing w/ twitch. It always ends up in your topic being deleted.

EDIT2: Those percentages are not the winrated. j4 does not have a 80% rank winrate, it's just his kda. 6+14/6+14+3 = 80%.

72 Comments

Jamaree4/24/2019, 7:37:43 AM62 votes

Because rank literally means nothing the only thing that matter is MMR, there isn't a good reason for MMR to be hidden.

/thread.

jng dif victim4/24/2019, 12:09:08 PM31 votes

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K3ars3n4/24/2019, 5:13:56 PM9 votes

The mental gymnastics required by some of you to excuse Riot as well as Riot themselves explaining all of these 'phenomenon' is incredible.

Raiyza4/24/2019, 3:47:35 PM8 votes

System sucks, time to move on. That is all.

Sir Saltarin4/24/2019, 10:39:28 AM7 votes

Post the real source so we can see that it's a ranked game and not a normal

ﬂaming4/24/2019, 3:36:15 PM5 votes

Everyone will use MMR as an excuse but don't believe that bs. A few weeks ago in Gold 2 I faced a 60% winrate Plat 4 and had a 30% winrate Silver 1 on my team.

Matchmaking is just terrible.

CytheGuy4/24/2019, 2:21:47 PM4 votes

The silver 3 is probably duo-q with one of the Gold 2 players, who allowed matchmaking to place a gold 1 in the game, who allowed matchmaking to place a plat 4 in the game. Matchmaking is more concerned with making the total elos of two teams equal to each other, which is something we can deduce by noticing that op.gg tells us the average ranks of each team, which are pretty close to each other.

I (s2, deranked recently from s1) duo with my friend (g4-3 at any given time) and I play with people on his level and a little higher (1-2 divisions), which makes me play against g1s. The system won't make games be matched on your level (if you are the one who is duo queued) because then your partner could just stomp and carry, so it places you more around his level and a little under. If you want to climb by being carried by a duo queue, you better be prepared to carry your own weight first.

Banuvan4/24/2019, 9:49:31 PM3 votes

Riot has never and will never admit they messed up ranked years ago. They don't listen. They do what they want. Get over it. They will never listen to their player base in regards to ranked being complete crap for years. Just look at dynamic queue and positional ranks. They were told they were shit. They still messed ranked up with them.

Matchmaking has been shit for years as well. Instead of making it simple they made it worse.

They need to pick MMR or ranking system.

MMR - play people +/- 50 MMR of you. Go up like usual.

Rank - play people in your rank or higher and no higher than 2 ranks up. Get rid of promos or get rid of the stupid fucking forced 50% win/loss bullshit. If you keep promos then you play against people in the next rank up ( i.e. silver 1 plays with and against gold 5s ). If you get rid of promos and you get rid of the stupid fucking 50% forced win/loss ( yes, they do enforce this by putting you at a bigger and bigger disadvantage each game after you go on a win streak ) and when people hit 100 LP they go to the next rank.

There Riot. I fixed matchmaking and ranked for you. Now get your heads out of your asses and fix this stupid garbage you call ranked play.

Black focks4/24/2019, 12:30:19 PM3 votes

Keep up on your op.gg when you're playing and you'll see rank doesn't matter. the person at s3 can play with bronze 3 players if they're mmr is bad but if it's good they'll find themselves playing with higher tier players.

Jerry SeinfeId4/24/2019, 6:55:28 PM3 votes

Rank means absolutely nothing. Yet riot refuses to get rid of it in favour of just a ladder based on MMR.

Imo ppl should just be matched on rank and purely on ranl, or the ladder and end of season rewards should purely be based on MMR.

FireDrizzle4/24/2019, 7:27:11 AM2 votes

You are either going 10+ votes on this or the usual morons view it and you get -20. Its best not too take even _ranked _ seriously mate.

Kai Guy4/24/2019, 10:45:55 PM2 votes

On the topic. Its not really to shocking to see Silver vs plat. Duo que is not implemented all to well which everbody seems to ignore no matter how many times I bring this up.

MMR for gold can be in plat. MMR for silver can be in bronze. In worst case situations, thou admittedly fringe cases, MM has to try and account for the MMR gap between a Bronze and Plat player.. A massive % of players in the game. Looking at League of Graphs My personal estimation is the very worst case duo can result in MMR range gap that accounts for 81.94% of the games players, possibly I have potentially overvalued MMR gains and over estimating it by 8.01%.

Good luck making a quality match with that. Some one explaind some of the impact on top and bottom that restricting Duoing to MMR would cause but I feel its a fair requirement for standard Elo ranges. Imo players in Bronze to Plat wouldn't suffer if Duo became restricted to the same MMR ranges MM used to make a fair game. No Gold 1 duoing with silver 4 unless they operated in the same hidden MMR range MM uses for solo players, or close to that value.

CenturKYN4/25/2019, 5:14:43 PM2 votes

It's really sad, at first I thought it just happened in d+ because of the low amount of players there, but when I started playing in this acc I just realized the matchmaking is completely fucked. I don't know how many times have I been matched with just dinged lv 30 accs or players with my same rank and 30% win rate. Those people run it down or afk because they don't care about the game, but somehow they still keep a balanced mmr.

On the other hand, I've been matched a few times with high gold players in d3 and yes, they have an insane win rate and whatnot, but it's not a big deal to get an insanely high ratio in gold, even more with the low amount of games they have, they could've been lucky.

I honestly don't even know why we have autofill if the matchmaker is gonna queue everyone together anyway within few seconds nor do I really understand why would Riot touch the SoloQ ranked ladder YET AGAIN after the constant failures in previous seasons, considering no one has ever complained about it.

xAcidik4/25/2019, 1:58:10 AM1 votes

A gold was duo with the silver on one team and another gold was duo with the plat. The only way to fix something like that is to restrict duos to just being in the same league.

Sinister Anubis4/25/2019, 1:59:19 AM1 votes

Was this in flex or soloduo?

HKT Saber4/25/2019, 2:31:58 AM1 votes

It's to prevent people from playing at a great difference in MMR gap. There are exceptions such as pros in low elo and high elo players occasionally having a really low MMR, but it stops most of the problem, as it is rare for Iron players to be in Diamond elo. Oh, and yes it exists. Here's the youtube link with timestamp to opgg just because I don't feel like taking a screenshot. https://youtu.be/MQ4r2ybRxWU?t=17

Morticianjohn4/25/2019, 6:12:20 AM1 votes

Regardless of mmr silver should not have to face plat and vice versa. There are enough players that this should not be a thing

FrozenFitzgerald4/25/2019, 8:02:47 AM1 votes

Because fuck Riot. They will deny to their last breath that matchmaking is bad while they do nothing about horrible, shitty people who ruin games. Their matchmaking is terrible, their support agents are irreverent assholes, and their polices are as ass backwards as possible.

For the record, normals are even more fucked up. My account is a transfer and had no normal solo games, maybe three premades. My only solo queue normal game puts me against a challenger player, and no he was not duo with anybody. And Riot support has defended that to my face, telling me there is nothing wrong with matchmaking (And also telling me that op.gg is wrong, even though when you look at his profile in the league client he is grandmaster, with the exact same stats op.gg displayed).

Hammermancer4/25/2019, 9:57:31 AM1 votes

if i saw the op.gg i couldn't even get mad at the poor guy, he signed up for a silver matchup not a plat lane opponent

did he try his best?

ESeTyRC4/26/2019, 2:31:17 AM1 votes

Repeating what I've been told when bringing this kind of issue up: MMR is what rly matters!!1!1!!

As if that changes the fact that a Silver CANT duo with Plat, or the fact that a Bronze CANT duo with Gold.

Maybe Ranks should actually reflect the MMRs..

Sukishoo4/24/2019, 5:55:16 PM1 votes

Ever since Iron and Grandmaster were added, the ladder got all screwed up.

ForgetMeNotKeanu4/25/2019, 6:33:14 PM1 votes

The percent is not KDA. Your math isn’t even correct. The percentage it shows is kill participation.