Make Vi's Vault Breaker have a shield destroying effect similar to irelia's

Eyesack·Nov 3, 2018·58 votes·14,796 views

The champ has basically been unplayable all season, maybe give it a little something so the vi otps (if they exist) can actually pick her without getting flamed

38 Comments

Luxana CrowngardNov 4, 201830 votes

She should destroy champion made walls with it. Not gonna lie, That'd be cool.

AmetDeCryptNov 4, 20183 votes

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She should destroy champion made walls with it. Not gonna lie, That'd be cool.

I want this... I hate vi with a passion and I want this to be a thing.

KídáNov 5, 20181 votes

Destroying champion made terrain would would fit her perfectly.

wolviusNov 3, 201829 votes

Hell yeah in fact take it from irelia completely she already has to much in her kit.

AhpeNov 3, 201811 votes

Makes sense too

ez mental boomNov 3, 20188 votes

Or put it on her W

Tomoe GozenNov 4, 20188 votes

I'd argue that Vi in general needs a bit more "oomph" in her kit. She's pretty fun and unique to play but her whole shtick is "go in and go hard". This style is right now only available to assassins (if playing with raw AD/lethality) while bruisers kinda can get away with it by being tanky and doing some damage before they need to scram out of the enemy front line.

A lot of Vi's damage is front-loaded in her Q that's easily telegraphed and dodged, while the charge mechanic on it actually makes sure that in rare situations, you can even get a full damage off.

ProzzakNov 4, 20185 votes

Ehhh, I think Vi is perfectly fine as is and have mained her all season. She provides plenty. Some tankiness, plenty of damage if you know her combo well and gets through the jungle with relative ease. Buff her and she becomes one of the top jungles and that would slightly annoy me considering she really doesn't need it. Also, I have not been flamed once picking Vi.

edit: Unless you are specifically just talking about Vi top (is thats what otps was supposed to say?). If that is the case I really can't speak about this, but any buff should hopefully not also buff her jungle.

BoilTheOilNov 4, 20182 votes

vi is garbage

This Is Your DadNov 4, 20181 votes

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Ehhh, I think Vi is perfectly fine as is and have mained her all season. She provides plenty. Some tankiness, plenty of damage if you know her combo well and gets through the jungle with relative ease. Buff her and she becomes one of the top jungles and that would slightly annoy me considering she really doesn't need it. Also, I have not been flamed once picking Vi.

edit: Unless you are specifically just talking about Vi top (is thats what otps was supposed to say?). If that is the case I really can't speak about this, but any buff should hopefully not also buff her jungle.

OTP is one trick pony.

ProzzakNov 4, 20181 votes

Ah cool, ty for info.

The Anivia OTPNov 4, 20181 votes

yeah some people just play 1 champ , wtf , why are these people so dumb ?

FluffehNov 4, 20185 votes

50% winrate is unplayable?

Busty DemonessNov 4, 20184 votes

Sooo...

Vault Breaker (originally Denting Blows; Q would be renamed but otherwise the same) Passive Every 3rd hit on a target deals bonus magic damage and grants increased attack speed. An attack on a shielded target is treated as the 3rd hit and the shield is removed.

I swapped the armor break for bonus magic damage because it would better improve her clears and reduce her synergy/burst with lethality when going for a marksman/mage/assassin. Nobody likes a tanky assassin.

Chembaron YamadaNov 4, 20182 votes

Wait, so you are moving her W as a passive to her Q? And what is her W supposed to do then?

Busty DemonessNov 4, 20181 votes

Sorry, I got the skill name wrong (I realize now it's Denting Blows). However, it does fit better as a name with that thematic in mind. Q would simply be renamed, but still be a charged dash with knock up.

Noor SakataNov 3, 20183 votes

Yes plz

ChiyohitplayboiNov 3, 20183 votes

I like it. Please make it happen.

Z3SleeperNov 4, 20183 votes

Vi simply cannot exist as a viable champion pick so long as Vi 2.0 exists Camille

She either needs a rework or Camille needs to be gutted for her to be played.

LTK KoRoNov 4, 20184 votes

Let's remember that Vi in her prime was "outplaying" people with her R button, while Camille can't kill anyone when she miss her E.

I fully believe that Camille is much healthier and more satisfying to play as than Vi. Which means that Vi should have a mini rework.

ﬂooNov 4, 20186 votes

More statisfying to play as? Vi literally makes you smash enemies into piles of meat. Her Q and E sounds and animations have probably the most rewarding feeling of any champ when you get a combo off. Camille just deals tons of (true) damage more than her.

Slim GragasNov 4, 20182 votes

Yeah lets make everyone overpowered like Irelia

Nanuk PihoqahiakNov 4, 20184 votes

Let's be honest. Irelia's shieldbreaking isn't even close to the reason she's overpowered.

Chembaron YamadaNov 4, 20182 votes

Just indirectly, since her problem is that she has way too much stuff crammed in her kit.

Giving her a passive that deals on-hit damage, giving AS (which already is a strong synergy by itself), and then add even more bonus damage against shields is simply too much. And not just her passive, her entire kit is stacked with effects.

They have to remove stuff from her kit, she doesn't need all these tools to function. So yeah, giving this effect to other champions wouldn't break them, Irelia just happens to have way too much stuff.

FawkseaNov 4, 20182 votes

all these people talking trash while vi is a fun and good champion when everything is stupidly broken so people think non-op simple champs need more stuff lul

BjørnetjenestenNov 4, 20182 votes

Yeah cause all this game needs right now is another Irelia.. what a joke

FCJAAAAGOOOONov 4, 20181 votes

More unique mechanics like this please

VelasanNov 4, 20181 votes

Honestly, Vi would be ok if she just had more damage. I know I know... damage has been too high all season!

That's how I know this though. In mid season Vi was quite good. I played her off and on with an Electrocute page. As an assassin she works perfectly. High damage, target access, risky because she's a light fighter type character. It's worth noting that any of her rune pages that you will find always do better going burst than say Conqueror or Press (although there is an interesting Phase Rush build which isn't half bad).

To draw a parallel lets look at Jarvan. Vi and Jarvan are practically the same character. They are both divers, both have parts of their kit that scale on HP, both AD, both have mobility, both are ult-centric, both shred armor. Jarvan also went through a period of time of being less than optimal and not a good choice for the jungle. In prior seasons he was one of the BEST junglers around, notably played in more than one competitive event and has the previous Fnatic Jarvan skin because of it. However, he has lately become strong again was recently played in esports games.

So, what changed between then and now? His damage oriented play style became more consistent due to rune and item changes. On both of these champions (especially in a world of mobile enemy champions) the goal is to jump in on a priority target, blow your ult on them, and kill them outright or at least within a hit of death. If you use your ult and they are sitting there still alive and just dash away from your ult leaving you near the enemy team with all your abilities on CD you are in for a bad time. Jarvan and Vi are best as high damage catcher champions, and whether they are good or not just depends on how strong their ability to catch and kill becomes.

Vi was really good earlier in the season, and after the 8.16 damage nerfs came in she dropped out of sight again because her consistency dropped out from under her since she was a big user of Electrocute and Impact. I think a lot of people that were playing Vi at that point switched over to Jarvan because he didn't get hit as hard due to not being as badly affected by the changes.

AetherArisingNov 4, 20181 votes

On top of that i'd really like it if they fixed her Q's hitbox when trying to dash over walls. i feel like you need max charge and to be firmly faceplanted into the wall like for flash, a shorter ranged dash. if you're even 50 units away from the wall it feels like you just... slowly faceplant into it

usually that screws you over and gets you super dead, or it loses you a free kill.

-Aether, with 191 ranked games on vi only to give up on her to play Kayn instead because he can actually go through walls

hhaavviikkNov 4, 20181 votes

or maybe we can just balance champions instead of having her destroy anyone with a shield...

NyarlathοtepNov 4, 20181 votes

Am i the only one that doesnt want to see vi buffed?

CatastrophicNov 4, 20181 votes

Horrible idea, buff vi, sure, but anti-shield mechanics only serve to power creep this game, you put it on this and that champion and suddenly shielder players complain, then you have to buff their shields and people without shield busting abilities complain, and now everyone has shield busting and we're back at stage 1 again.

SS1986Nov 4, 20181 votes

Still has a higher winrate then yi a champ everyone cries is broken but not a bad idea .

Full BrainNov 4, 20181 votes

Toxic kit champion that would be a billion times worse than Urgot, Sion, Akali, or Irelia with real buffs and isn't close to weak currently. Nonsense thread.

PaffWasTakenNov 4, 20181 votes

She didn't really seem "unplayable" to me this year, far from it. On another note, Irelia's kit is the prime example of a problematic one because of how it is so overloaded. Making other champions' kits overloaded too will just bring more problems

My Waifu VanillaNov 5, 20181 votes

There is zero reason to play Vi over Camille. Camille singles people out better with her ult and can actually gank better pre-6 (Camille level 2 ganks are much more lethal since E+Flash actually works on a consistent basis compared to Vi Q+Flash). Both have garbage clear speeds, but as stated above, Camille ganks better while scaling harder and is inherently tankier.

Mandalorian 117Nov 4, 20181 votes

As a vi main, urgot’s shield is the most tilting thing about vi top. I think she is healthier than some champs, but I think she needs a bit more. I don’t know if this is it, but just something.

Minimac2000Nov 5, 20181 votes

Uhhhhh, I agree give her something maybe .... but enchanters have been dumpstered enough as is. Give her something else bc shield busting just isn't necessary in this meta