Facing a full AP comp means you Auto Win

SwiftKitten88··4 votes·1,790 views

Why is it still an even match if the enemy team goes full AD?

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Terozu6 votes

Full ap does not mean an autoloss...

LeftyRaydy1 votes

while what you say is true it probably lowers your chances a winning by a good amount. 1 Spirit visage and your laughing at all your enemies lol.

Terozu1 votes

Spirit Visage meet Liandries and Rylais.

MR really doesn't do as much as you would think when the mage is building anti Mr.

item 3116 item 3151 item 3165 item 3020 item 3135 item 3001 .

You will do significant damage.

LeftyRaydy1 votes

not every champion could use this build effectively. only 300 mana and 10% CD. Although this would be a nasty build for Rumble and I believe this is his standard build kind of, but this would not work on most AP mid laners they would be out of mana too quickly.

meowwow72 votes

even if they do build that item 3194 says hi

Terozu1 votes

Thats what Liandries is for, since it does true damage Adaptive helm does jack to the shit.

meowwow73 votes

item 3151 doesn't do true dmg it does 1% max hp in magic dmg with some dmg amp tied to how long you are in combat with a champ

Terozu1 votes

Actually Liandries was changed to doing True Damage a while back.

The damage also doubles vs CCd targets.

meowwow71 votes

it says magic damage in the description

https://imgur.com/a/IQ3xN53

Terozu1 votes

Huh, i guess they reverted it, mb.

Terozu1 votes

Keep in mind this isn't just ap mid laners, this is an AP team.

Picture Amumu Jungle, Anivia Mid, Rumble Top, Vladimir Bot, and say, Sona support. Give Anivia Blue Buff because Amumu just doesn't need it anymore for whatever reason,(seriously idk why but recently when i play him i never run out of mana even when i have no blue buff at all).

They would be able to with slight variations cover their own weaknesses and strengths while melting anyone who builds Mr, or those who don't.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

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(seriously idk why but recently when i play him i never run out of mana even when i have no blue buff at all).

item 1039 regenerates up to 8 mana per second when you're in the jungle, based upon your missing mana. That's probably why.

Terozu1 votes

Ok...

So thats kinda dumb I can regen faster than my W drains without blue.

I know hes in a bad spot but thats still kinda dumb.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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item 1039 regenerates up to 8 mana per second when you're in the jungle, based upon your missing mana. That's probably why.

this change was SOO good, i before that change i wasnt able to give my mid laner blue for nearly 3 years. now i can as long as i am not going to gank multiple times

LeftyRaydy1 votes

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Keep in mind this isn't just ap mid laners, this is an AP team.

Picture Amumu Jungle, Anivia Mid, Rumble Top, Vladimir Bot, and say, Sona support. Give Anivia Blue Buff because Amumu just doesn't need it anymore for whatever reason,(seriously idk why but recently when i play him i never run out of mana even when i have no blue buff at all).

They would be able to with slight variations cover their own weaknesses and strengths while melting anyone who builds Mr, or those who don't.

I said that being all AP just lowers your chances at winning not impossible. Getting all those items are expensive and is late game, meanwhile 1 MR item will help you against your whole team.

Tenth Leper3 votes

While full ad teams can kill armor stacked tanks better than full AP teams can kill mr stacked tanks, that is as uncommon a team line up as is not having a tank at all.

And really there is a lot of variance within damage types as to whether they are sustain or burst focused, and a burst focus (like most of the more popular AP champs) will generally be worse at tank killing. If an all ad team was just 5 assassins (and one of them wasn't rhaast) they are in no way beating an armor stacked team. It is just that a well peeled adc or other dps type champ can mow the tanks down late, and comparable AP options exist.

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

Because it isn't.

Unless your idea of "full AD" is a Yasuo Jax MasterYi Vayne, then the full AD team is completely reliant on getting and winning with an early lead, or on the enemy team not having a single champion capable of stacking armor.

Also, full AP teams tend to lack DPS. Full-AD teams can still have tanks, burst, and DPS, but there are very few AA-based AP champions.

Alex h87211 votes

Azir and Cassiopeia are probably the only 2 dps ap champs

JeaneGreene2 votes

May we have a moment of silence for our one and only drain tank Swain who joined the cult of burst recently and now has no identity like every other burst champion.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Those two, and Diana (She actually has rather solid DPS versus structures, due to passive and Nashor's) and Teemo. Morgana and Malzahar as well, although it depends on how you build the Morg.

That's not a lot, and none of them are that popular. And only one of them (Teemo) is good against tanks and structures.

I suppose a case could be made for Corki as well, though, given his passive.

Terozu1 votes

There are a lot more battle mages then that.

ZackTheWaffleMan1 votes

Anivia AurelionSol Brand Fiddlesticks Malzahar Mordekaiser Ryze Singed Teemo Zyra Rumble

how did you forget all of these

Malak3 votes

everyone circle jerking against the OP but it's true

Armor is significantly less effective than MR.

Ignoring the many champs that do true damage + physical (which can't really be called pure AD) you have stuff like conqueror and AD champs usually have powerful auto attacks even if theyre casters, so they don't wait for cds.

But I think it's gotten better. It was worse before.

SwiftKitten882 votes

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everyone circle jerking against the OP but it's true

Armor is significantly less effective than MR.

Ignoring the many champs that do true damage + physical (which can't really be called pure AD) you have stuff like conqueror and AD champs usually have powerful auto attacks even if theyre casters, so they don't wait for cds.

But I think it's gotten better. It was worse before.

yeah it's certainly gotten better.. in season 7. AD was so strong it it was almost BETTER to go full AD because of how broken itemization was

its not "AS" bad but the addition conqueror and the new item 3031 edge don't exactly help the matter.

D357R0Y3R2 votes

how is full ad not an autolose?

rofl

and btw how did you manage to be full ap?

SwiftKitten881 votes

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how is full ad not an autolose?

rofl

and btw how did you manage to be full ap?

if u are referring to my most recent game when i made this thread... that was indeed my inspiration for this thread, but it does not provide a good example. we would have lost that anyways my team was so bad, i gave up trying to win that about 25 min before we actually lost.

as for why we went full ap... idk i was 2nd pick.... no one hovered their champs but me. (another bad sign for champ select)

and my team was so awful anyways it wouldn't have mattered who they picked we would have lost anyways.

the fact that they even tried to pikc a full AP count and outside of the GP thier team built almost no MR and we got lost was becuase they were TERRIBLE

i mean we had viktor support and teemo ADC

that game we were going to lose anyways, being a full AP really had nothing to do with it. but what it did do was made me think that if we had a decent team but the enemy itemized properly against us we still would have been screwed. and that's what this thread was about

chipndip11 votes

What is the point of this thread? Is full AD...bad? It is...so that's what you're saying, right?

SwiftKitten882 votes

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What is the point of this thread? Is full AD...bad? It is...so that's what you're saying, right?

what im saying is an enemy team going full AD or ap means that u only need to build armor OR u only need to build MR

this should inherently give the other team a huge advantage because they dont need to buy differen items to maximize defence

when fcaing full AP and AD champ can grab item 3139 item 3156 item 3814 or any combination of mr items along with any one mr tank items u want such as item 3065 item 3194 item 3001

and completely negate the MR while still going full damage

while if are trying to build vs full AD. it is so limited and stacking armor is so worthless that it barely sways the game in your favor at all.

where as if u were facing a full AP team.. u can completely shut them down with just a few mr items

Colton1471 votes

Rip Corki ADC. item 3070

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